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Mussolini and Hitler were right wing dictators

No, both the left and the right often attempt to amass centralized authority as means of imposing their will on others. The point is, if you’re for bigger government, you’re closer to that extreme than you are if you’re for smaller government.
Why do you keep beating that dead horse? There is no one in Govt. that wants to make it smaller. That is a red herring.
 
You literally haven't posted anything to back up your claims here.
The claim I made was that dictators always have a very large very centralized government.

I also made the claim that that's why the left seems to want.

Do you need evidence for that? Are you living on Mars perhaps?
 
The claim I made was that dictators always have a very large very centralized government.

What makes a government "large"? # of civil servants?
I also made the claim that that's why the left seems to want.

You are not a capable of offering an actual suggestion for this because you are unable to offer an objective answer.

Do you need evidence for that? Are you living on Mars perhaps?

No, I live on Earth; the earth where the Nazis relaxed gun laws and assault rifles were abundant in communist states.
 
The problem is the potential mass child murderers that can easily get guns despite red flags in the system somewhere that we can't seem to responsibly link because of the supposed irrational fears that it's going to lead to all guns being taken.
it's interesting how you think the solution to this problem is harassing everyone except for the murderers while doing absolutely nothing to fortify schools. Let's just drop the doors open to the school so anybody can just waltz right in.

It's not so much that I'm worried about you taking my guns away it's that your solution is the absolute most idiotic idea that ever was.
Oh yeah, and the loss of gun sales and the kickbacks to con politicians.
if Democrats didn't absolutely hate our constitution they might get some of that too.

They should be cut out of it they don't deserve it. Same with the petrochemical industry.

Stop oppressing and then people won't deny you money.
 
What makes a government "large"? # of civil servants?
It's scope. The amount of control that it has over the individual.
You are not a capable of offering an actual suggestion for this because you are unable to offer an objective answer.
I wasn't offering suggestions of anything I was pointing to something and saying that's what it is.

The solution is simple quit supporting tyranny.
No, I live on Earth; the earth where the Nazis relaxed gun laws and assault rifles were abundant in communist states.
oh really so the Nazis let Jews have guns and the Communists let dissidence not only live but have fire power to overthrow them?

Are you sure you're not on Mars or you just trying to revise history to try and pretend Adolf Hitler was a libertarian?
 
It's scope. The amount of control that it has over the individual.
I wasn't offering suggestions of anything I was pointing to something and saying that's what it is.

I know you have no suggestions.

oh really so the Nazis let Jews have guns

The vast majority of Germans had easier access to guns after the Nazis took power.

and the Communists let dissidence not only live but have fire power to overthrow them?

Yugoslavia, East Germany, and Romania has mass militia movements that involved giving civilians machine guns, assault rifles, and rocket launchers.

Are you sure you're not on Mars or you just trying to revise history to try and pretend Adolf Hitler was a libertarian?

Your commentary is beyond parody.
 
I know you have no suggestions.
no I have two suggestions.
Learn history, and don't support tyranny.
The vast majority of Germans had easier access to guns after the Nazis took power.
so you were denied your rights if you were Jewish in case in point gun control is what tyrants do. In fact the first implementation of gun control in the US was something tyrants wanted. It is a white supremacist thing in our country. I've heard people actually make the same argument that the ku Klux Klan did in the supreme Court.

Yugoslavia, East Germany, and Romania has mass militia movements that involved giving civilians machine guns, assault rifles, and rocket launchers.
I'm not arguing that the government provide us with weapons and not the dissidents I'm arguing that they get the hell out of our way.

Standing in our way is what tyrants do.


Your commentary is beyond parody.
only if you don't really understand what you're talking about so you're indicting yourself.
 
no I have two suggestions.
Learn history, and don't support tyranny.

You don't know enough about history to suggest learning it.

so you were denied your rights if you were Jewish in case in point gun control is what tyrants do.

I can't think of a better encapsulation of libertarian inanity than "oppression doesn't matter if it doesn't affect me"

I'm not argung that the government provide us with weapons and not the dissidents I'm arguing that they get the hell out of our way.

Standing in our way is what tyrants do.

There's no "our", there's just your ramblings.

only if you don't really understand what you're talking about so you're indicting yourself.

Weak sauce.
 
You don't know enough about history to suggest learning it.
does the guy repeating the mistakes from history.


I can't think of a better encapsulation of libertarian inanity than "oppression doesn't matter if it doesn't affect me"
you completely misunderstood that what I was pointing out is that the Nazis applied strict gun control because you can get a gun if you were Jewish.

But I know when someone makes a good point against you you have to pretend like they said something else.

The honesty and truth is your kryptonite.


There's no "our", there's just your ramblings.
dodging arguments is something dishonest people do.


Weak sauce.
is that why you're misrepresenting and touching arguments because there is so weak you break before them?

It's wise of you to concede first smart move made.
 
does the guy repeating the mistakes from history.

lol

you completely misunderstood that what I was pointing out is that the Nazis applied strict gun control because you can get a gun if you were Jewish.

I know exactly what you were saying; you were trying to argue your claims about Nazism and gun control and tyranny was correct because Jews were restricted.

And in doing so realize that the Jews weren't the only ones being oppressed, and that if ownership of guns prevented tyranny than Nazi Germany shouldn't have existed, because the average German found it easier to get a gun after the Nazis took over.

But I know when someone makes a good point against you you have to pretend like they said something else.

The honesty and truth is your kryptonite.


dodging arguments is something dishonest people do.


is that why you're misrepresenting and touching arguments because there is so weak you break before them?

It's wise of you to concede first smart move made.


Do better than this, please.
 
lol



I know exactly what you were saying; you were trying to argue your claims about Nazism and gun control and tyranny was correct because Jews were restricted.
and I successfully did argue that. Gun rights means everybody.


And in doing so realize that the Jews weren't the only ones being oppressed, and that if ownership of guns prevented tyranny than Nazi Germany shouldn't have existed, because the average German found it easier to get a gun after the Nazis took over.
they didn't say gun ownership prevented tyranny and I said preventing gun ownership is a sign of tyranny and they prevented gun ownership for the Jews and the other oppressed groups.



Do better than this, please.
you don't even understand that your arguments have already been debunked.

I'm going easy on you.
 
Why do you keep beating that dead horse? There is no one in Govt. that wants to make it smaller. That is a red herring.
Well there is people in governments that want to make it smaller people like me people like the person you're arguing with don't forget in our country the people or the government.

The officials are the servants. Yes the servants don't want to know their place but that's a problem with us not keeping them there.
 
and I successfully did argue that. Gun rights means everybody.

No you didn't.


they didn't say gun ownership prevented tyranny and I said preventing gun ownership is a sign of tyranny and they prevented gun ownership for the Jews and the other oppressed groups.

And expanding gun rights must ergo be a sign of liberty. So the Nazis expanding gun rights was, per your logic, a sign of liberty.

you don't even understand that your arguments have already been debunked.

You haven't debunked anything.

I'm going easy on you.

lol
 
No you didn't.
the Nazis enacted direct gun control against the Jews. So technically I didn't it's just history.



And expanding gun rights must ergo be a sign of liberty.
absolutely the more rights you have the more Liberty you have
So the Nazis expanding gun rights was, per your logic, a sign of liberty.
the Nazis weren't expanding gun rights never restricting them. Again specifically to exclude Jewish people.

Did you not learn anything about the Holocaust? That was 100% about restricting Liberty


You haven't debunked anything.
Denial
 
Well there is people in governments that want to make it smaller people like me people like the person you're arguing with don't forget in our country the people or the government.

The officials are the servants. Yes the servants don't want to know their place but that's a problem with us not keeping them there.
It is the Republicans you vote for that grow Govt. the most and no one on earth believes Trump would ever "know his place". He believes he is god's gift to the world. Either you are a liar or a fool if you vote Republican. All Republicans care about is power and the money it brings.
 
It is the Republicans you vote for that grow Govt. the most and no one on earth believes Trump would ever "know his place". He believes he is god's gift to the world. Either you are a liar or a fool if you vote Republican. All Republicans care about is power and the money it brings.
I'm not particularly partisan on this I think Democrats and Republicans are both terrible. I only ever vote for Republicans because they steal less of my money through taxes.

If Democrats did so last I would vote for them but they don't and they also think they're entitled to my rights.
 
I'm not particularly partisan on this I think Democrats and Republicans are both terrible. I only ever vote for Republicans because they steal less of my money through taxes.

If Democrats did so last I would vote for them but they don't and they also think they're entitled to my rights.
So you like our huge deficits that are the result of the GOP tax cuts? You would rather billionaires had the money and our Govt. has to borrow it from them? The only party that advocates taking away rights is Republicans. I live in the State with the least rights and them most corrupt Govt. so I know.

These billionaires have more money than the US Treasury right now​

https://thehill.com/business/econom...ve-more-money-than-the-us-treasury-right-now/
 
So you like our huge deficits that are the result of the GOP tax cuts? You would rather billionaires had the money and our Govt. has to borrow it from them? The only party that advocates taking away rights is Republicans. I live in the State with the least rights and them most corrupt Govt. so I know.

These billionaires have more money than the US Treasury right now​

https://thehill.com/business/econom...ve-more-money-than-the-us-treasury-right-now/
The problem with deficits is spending too much. I don't care about billionaires and most of them are Democrats anyway.

Our government can't have any money all I can do is steal money. It does not make wealth that's not his job.

And no the party that advocates taking away gun rights taking away free speech taking away your Fourth amendment rights that's 100% the Democrats.

The people should have more money than the treasury the treasury should be empty. It's vile that they steal money from us to fill this up.

You're charging me with your values I don't share them.
 
No, it's reality. The Nazis did not have a fundamental problem with private ownership of commercial competition in the market, hence why they never abolished either.
Private ownership meant nothing in Nazi Germany; it was a system without human rights or property rights. The government controlled whatever it wanted to, and to believe otherwise is absurd.
 
Private ownership meant nothing in Nazi Germany; it was a system without human rights or property rights. The government controlled whatever it wanted to, and to believe otherwise is absurd.
Then why did Nazi Germany leave so much property in the hands of private owners? Why did they privatize formerly state owned industries?
 
Private ownership meant nothing in Nazi Germany;

It did, as a matter of fact, mean something, as the Nazis had to repeatedly accept it throughout their reign.

it was a system without human rights or property rights. The government controlled whatever it wanted to, and to believe otherwise is absurd.

Your absolutist understanding of not only Nazi Germany, but I imagine dictatorships in general, is why you lack comprehension of this subject.
 
Revenue as a % of GDP has been cut substantially. That is the only metric worth anything. We need to collect at least 20% of GDP to have a chance at a balanced budget.

Since 2015, the Revenue-to-GDP ratio has decreased from 18% to 16%.

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/government-revenue/
No, revenue has a percentage of GDP has been remarkably stable since WWII, fluctuating within only a few percentage points.


Which brings us to something you folks on the left just don’t want to acknowledge. If more tax revenue is what you’re after, leave rates alone and do things that grow the economy, i.e. grow the GDP. That would, of course, mean you’d need to dial back the anti-business rhetoric. And my goodness, we know that’s not going to happen.
 
it's interesting how you think the solution to this problem is harassing everyone except for the murderers while doing absolutely nothing to fortify schools. Let's just drop the doors open to the school so anybody can just waltz right in.

It's not so much that I'm worried about you taking my guns away it's that your solution is the absolute most idiotic idea that ever was.
if Democrats didn't absolutely hate our constitution they might get some of that too.

They should be cut out of it they don't deserve it. Same with the petrochemical industry.

Stop oppressing and then people won't deny you money.
Better minds than yours came up with it, so...
Plus, you don't seem to give one shit about murdered children but don't hesitate to express your irrational fears on a non-existent issue that someone will take your guns away. Pretty heinous, though obviously limited, viewpoint. Maybe you should find a jungle to live in with your imagined fears.
 
Better minds than yours came up with it, so...
how are they better if they come up with the absolute dumbest solution you can think of?
Plus, you don't seem to give one shit about murdered children but don't hesitate to express your irrational fears on a non-existent issue that someone will take your guns away. Pretty heinous, though obviously limited, viewpoint. Maybe you should find a jungle to live in with your imagined fears.
you're not very smart fighting literally said he wants to take guns away a few weeks ago.
 
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