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Program on International Public Attitudes: Responding to my estimate in the documentary Obsession that "10 to 15 percent of Muslims worldwide support militant Islam," Shibley Telhami of the University of Maryland cites data from the Program on International Public Attitudes to conclude that "about 6 percent of about 300-million people in the Arab world support al-Qaida's message of confronting the United States."
Telhami also parses my word support, noting that "Support is often a reflection of anger rather than ideology. It's far different from joining groups or being prepared to conduct terrorism." (Quoted in Meg Laughlin, "McCollum, Muslims to discuss film," St. Petersburg Times, February 12, 2008)
Comment: Shibley changed the topic. I spoke about percentages of Muslims who support Islamism not who support "al-Qaida's message of confronting the United States." One can be an Islamist and not support Al-Qaeda's anti-American violence; one can also be not an Islamist and support the violence. It's a different issue and Shibley falsely conflates them.
You've meant to "Who doesn't like Muslims", I assume.Should I accuse every poster in this thread who doesn't like Islam of wanting to round Muslims up in camps and kill them all? Disliking a group of people and wanting to kill them are miles apart.
There's a striking difference however between having a negative feeling towards jews and having a genocidal feeling towards. The person in the video seemingly had the latter, wishing them to be in one place so as not to have to "hunt" for them.
I'd say that it's probably some, though probably not close to 25%. My best guess would be something in the mid teens. And she should not be banned from campuses. People are free to say as they like, even stupid and mean things. So long as she isn't inciting to riot (whatever the cops want that to mean at any given time), she can do as she likes.
I wouldn't be surprised if you're 100% correct, it makes sense. I'm dying to hear muslims condemn these genocidal idiots though. You might argue that someone who supports genocide is not a true muslim. I want to focus on this bigotry, and reducing it by saying that only a small minority of 1,2 billion people are genocidal.., sounds like apologising for it. Whenever we see it we should condemn it, regardless of our beliefs.My honest guess...
I'd say, by and large when taking the entire muslim population within the world, that a small majority, probably in the 60% range, likely hold unfavorable opinion of jews. However, since this thread isn't about whether or not Muslims haev an unfavorable view of Jews but whether or not they hold genocidal views such as the person expressed in their hope for an easier "hunt", I would have to say that no...a relative small minority of Muslims within the world population actively have such views.
There's a large degree of difference.
Lets take a poster here. Jamesrage. Jamesrage seems to have a very negative reaction in regards to illegal immigrants,
lol that's like trying to compare dislike of blacks and dislike of junkies. The latter is a choice and the former is not.
lol that's like trying to compare dislike of blacks and dislike of junkies. The latter is a choice and the former is not.
So...if you dislike a group that is part of that group due to a choice its possible to not want to have them all killed...
But if you dislike a group that is part of that group because its how they're born, its NOT possible to not want to have them all killed...
I'm failing to see your point here.
The point I was making is having an unfavorable view of a group of people, any group of people, does not equal having an opinion that they should all be killed.
My point is that there is rampant anti-semitism in the Muslim world that you seem to want to dismiss because it is not necessarily genocidal.
But fyi 61% of Palestinians support Hezbollah, 51% of Jordanians support Hezbollah, and 97% of Shia Lebanese support Hezbollah, but I'll grant you only 43% of Egyptians support Hezbollah. But I suppose support for the organization whose head calls for the genocide of Jews won't prove anything either right?
Oh, it proves something. It proves that a majority, or large amount, in those countries support Hezbollah in a general sense. It also provides something too, another stawman for you. Specifically, that supporting hezbollah = supporting their leaders desire for genocide against the Jews.
Considering that Hezbollah now provides social services, operates schools, hospitals, and agricultural services for many of these people it is quite possible for someone to generally say yes if they were asked "Do you support Hezbollah" but if you asked them "Do you support Hezbollah's leaders desire for genocide of jews" that they say no.
If someone asked me back in the 2000's "Do you support George W. Bush" I'd say yes. If someone asked me "Do you support George W. Bush's desire for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage" I'd say no. If they asked "Do you support George W. Bush's desire for comprehensive immigration reform" I'd say no.
Agreeing with something, in a general sense, does not mean one agrees with every individual portion that makes up that something in a more specific sense.
Your numbers prove nothing in regards to the topic of this poll and just create another strawman. Find me a percentage number of people in those countries who support Hezbollah's leader's view on Jews and THEN you'll have your evidence.
Nope, I seem to want to dismiss it IN THIS THREAD because its not the topic OF THIS THREAD and thus you're attempting to create a strawman to derail it from talking about whether or not a majority of muslims hold an extreme view of genocide towards jews to one of whether or not they're just really unfavorable towards jews.
So supporting an organization doesn't = supporting the goals of that organization? Gotcha. :roll:
You are once again comparing apples and oranges. A terrorist organization on the one hand and the former POTUS on the other.
So the fact that the majority of these people hate Jews and the majority of these people support the organization that calls for the genocide of the Jewish people proves absolutely nothing,
you have to act the direct question of "do you support the genocide of Jews"? Are you freaking kidding me?
Fine and dandy then we'll just say the majority of Muslims hate Jews instead.
No, supporting an organization != agreeing/supporting every actino of said organization.
You're making an assumption. This is the problem with polls and statistics and why people like you use them in an attempt to bolster points that they have nothing to do with.
No, I'm comparing apples to apples. I'm comparing someone agreeing with someone broadly, but disagreeing on specifics to someone agreeing with someone broadly, but disagreeing on specifics.
You have not shown that a majority of people HATE Jews.
You're really, really bad at understanding how polls and statistics work aren't you? A majority of these people have an unfavorable opinion on jews.
A number of them support an organization that provides a plethora of social services.
A majority of them in many of these countries also feel that violence against civilians is never justified. None of these things however tell us a majority of them want genocide against the Jews.
Yes, if you want to claim as if some kind of fact that that's what they believe, yes.
Feeling unfavorable towards jews does not equal wanting them to die.
Supporting in general an organization that in part provides numerous social services does not necessarily mean agreeing with their desire to kill jews.
From 0 to Godwin in 2 pages, congrats.
No, supporting an organization != agreeing/supporting every actino of said organization.
You're making an assumption. This is the problem with polls and statistics and why people like you use them in an attempt to bolster points that they have nothing to do with.
No, I'm comparing apples to apples. I'm comparing someone agreeing with someone broadly, but disagreeing on specifics to someone agreeing with someone broadly, but disagreeing on specifics.
You have not shown that a majority of people HATE Jews. You're really, really bad at understanding how polls and statistics work aren't you? A majority of these people have an unfavorable opinion on jews. A number of them support an organization that provides a plethora of social services. A majority of them in many of these countries also feel that violence against civilians is never justified. None of these things however tell us a majority of them want genocide against the Jews.
That's an assumption of yours based off you taking polls and then deciding they mean something other than what was asked.
Yes, if you want to claim as if some kind of fact that that's what they believe, yes.
Feeling unfavorable towards jews does not equal wanting them to die.
Supporting in general an organization that in part provides numerous social services does not necessarily mean agreeing with their desire to kill jews.
Agent, In elementary school there was this pr*ck that picked on my friends and I. He tossed stuff at us, called us names, and did other stupid sh*t. If asked if I had an unfavorable view of him, I'd answer an unequivocal yes. If asked if I wanted to murder him, I'd probably say no. I really don't know how to make this simpler. Unfavorable view =/= wanting to murder. This isn't opinion; this isn't complicated. It's basic logic that even toddler could understand. If you find a poll showing that a majority of Muslims want a genocide against the Jews, I'll listen, but until you accept that not liking someone isn't wanting to kill him, I don't see the point of discussing this.
Yeah, like the 12 million Jews are picking on the 1.4 billion Muslims :doh
Speaking of things toddlers should be able to understand..........
Didn't say that they were. That's not the point. The point is that many of them feel like the Jews are picking on them. They don't like the Jews. That doesn't mean that they want them dead.
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