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Musk claims that Trump is “in the Epstein files”

Captain Adverse said:
I agree.

IMO this has a lot to do with economics rather than personal animus. Elon Musk's financials are suffering from his connection with Trump, he is losing millions as the Left are taking things out on his companies.

I say this because the "conflict" seems contrived, a dramatic shift in the space of a few days. He has to act like he and Trump had a falling out and are now "enemies" IMO to reclaim "Liberal" status and stop hemorrhaging money from his companies.

Of course, it's possible he really is upset at the budget bill, but I'd think he'd have had some input in its creation. Perhaps he's upset at all the riders that members of Congress typically add in order to get something for their own constituencies.

I'd prefer to wait on more details from both him and Trump before I credit this as a valid break.
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Musk has already posted in agreement that Trump should be impeached, my dude.
 
CLAX1911 said:
What's weird about it?
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Everything about the picture is weird. The look she was told to give him. His hands around her hips. The parrots. Then you have other pictures as well which are even worse.

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Like I said, if you aren't weirded out by this after his comments about wanting to date her and her being a piece of ass as well as him walking in on girls changing, kissing women without their consent, grabbing their genitals without consent, being found liable for rape, and least but not last being friends with the most infamous child abuser of his lifetime, I am not sure there's anything I can say to break you from your conditioning.
 
RF667799 said:
That's a lot of wind to get to the part that claims people who disagree with you are stupid.
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Come on. At some point it has to get real for Trump supporters.

At what point is the obvious recognized. Want what you want about political policy but the reality is G.I.G.O. Trump is a garbage fire of a human being. You can’t get good final numbers out of that kind of literal trash.

I’m no fan of political hacks, and much of our federal pols of BOTH parties are precisely that but NONE OF THEM are the criminal Trump is.

He has a lifetime of bad faith and worse acts. When do you Trump supporters get a clue about that?

RF667799 said:
Know what's stupid? That ad hominem fallacy.
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Sorry, I’m with Mrs Gump on this one. Stupid is as stupid does.
 
ajn678 said:
Everything about the picture is weird. The look she was told to give him. His hands around her hips. The parrots. Then you have other pictures as well which are even worse.

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Like I said, if you aren't weirded out by this after his comments about wanting to date her and her being a piece of ass as well as him walking in on girls changing, kissing women without their consent, grabbing their genitals without consent, being found liable for rape, and least but not last being friends with the most infamous child abuser of his lifetime, I am not sure there's anything I can say to break you from your conditioning.
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Look for the one where they are both in bed together, and she looks like she's a young teen! This is what MAGA likes and wants to see while they accuse others of it.😏
 
All Trump has to do to prove his ("no comment") innocence is open the files.
 
ajn678 said:
Everything about the picture is weird.
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Why? Show objectively
ajn678 said:
The look she was told to give him. His hands around her hips.
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Not her hips that's like fornicating get the other church ladies and clutch your pearls
ajn678 said:
The parrots. Then you have other pictures as well which are even worse.

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What's wrong with these pictures besides your church lady crap?
ajn678 said:
Like I said, if you aren't weirded out by this after his comments about wanting to date her and her being a piece of ass
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I didn't hear any of those comments and you lied about the other comments
ajn678 said:
as well as him walking in on girls changing, kissing women without their consent, grabbing their genitals without consent,
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Never happened.
ajn678 said:
being found liable for rape,
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Never happened and didn't make sense.
ajn678 said:
and least but not last being friends with the most infamous child abuser of his lifetime, I am not sure there's anything I can say to break you from your conditioning.
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Everything you think is a media fabrication. That's why nobody believes you except other TDS sufferers
 
CLAX1911 said:
He never bragged about that. You have been propagandized.

He said they let you grab them by the *****.

He was accused by a scorned ex-wife wife this isn't very compelling evidence
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Wow. Just wow. You re deep in the weeds. The Kool-Aid is strong in this one. 🫨

A laid the case out. 30+ women accusing . The Epstein issues. The civil court case that found he had committed sexual assault. Your response: He’s misunderstood and scorned females. Oy vey you got TES bad.

CLAX1911 said:
Because of bigotry not evidence and you aren't even clear on the facts. Everything you say is disregarded because you are regurgitating media nonsense.
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I collected evidence and filed the reports and made the testimony prosecutors made their cases on. I’lll keep my own facts on what’s a legitimate case to be made and what is bigotry and what is evidence. You disregard it at your own peril (and the rest of us as a lot of folks like yourself saddle us with this criminal client whose going to rip all us working and middle class folk off before he is finished).

I’m not speaking to you and folks like you based on your worth. I fin6 know you and I figure mist of you are decent sorts, but you have the wool pulled deep over your eyes on this Trump business. That’s fine, if it just affected you, but he’s apt to hurt me and anyone who economically looks like me and that’s not fine with me.

Plus, well, just not a good look for a a democratic republic for its citizens to be this deep,y, and obviously, boondoggled. We look dopey.
 
CLAX1911 said:
What's weird about it?
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Well it isn't normal. Not necessarily deviant but abnormal for western culture. Past a certain age, children aren't expected to sit in your lap anymore. She is well past that age. Generally a paternal gesture of affection does not involve placing their hands on the hips of their child either. Maybe there is some culture where this is accepted and normal, but that isn't normal in the US.

Their pose and body language is more consistent with a significant other than a child/parent. Maybe that isn't weird to you?
 
ModernDiogenes said:
Come on. At some point it has to get real for Trump supporters.
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The falsehoods you believe? You do realize he was recorded making the comment about women letting him grab them by the ***** and you still got it wrong
ModernDiogenes said:
At what point is the obvious recognized.
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I keep thinking that about your media induced stupor but here we are 10 years later and you still haven't watched the ****ing video clip. What are you afraid of?
ModernDiogenes said:
Want what you want about political policy but the reality is G.I.G.O. Trump is a garbage fire of a human being.
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Are you baking this on him or what you've been told because you have gotten nothing right and there is no excuse.
ModernDiogenes said:
You can’t get good final numbers out of that kind of literal trash.

I’m no fan of political hacks, and much of our federal pols of BOTH parties are precisely that but NONE OF THEM are the criminal Trump is.
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the reason you will never get through to people is because you are acting exactly like a leftist repeating media lies that were debunked a decade ago.
ModernDiogenes said:
He has a lifetime of bad faith and worse acts. When do you Trump supporters get a clue about that?
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When you stop being the exact same thing as a leftist.
ModernDiogenes said:
Sorry, I’m with Mrs Gump on this one. Stupid is as stupid does.
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Is that why you repeat media lies?
 
exoplanet said:
Well it isn't normal.
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Why?
exoplanet said:
Not necessarily deviant but abnormal for western culture.
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False. Very common for people to show affection through closeness and touch.
exoplanet said:
Past a certain age, children aren't expected to sit in your lap anymore.
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Stupid Bible thumper crap
exoplanet said:
She is well past that age. Generally a paternal gesture of affection does not involve placing their hands on the hips of their child either. Maybe there is some culture where this is accepted and normal, but that isn't normal in the US.
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So it's weird to you because your parents didn't show you affection?
exoplanet said:
Their pose and body language is more consistent with a significant other than a child/parent. Maybe that isn't weird to you?
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Clutch your pearls church lady.
 
HenryChinaski said:
The lovers quarrel is getting ugly.
It’s highly likely, and I’d bet on one months salary that Trump is indeed in those files but this is still hysterical.
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Let's see, who was president when Epstein died in prison?
 
HenryChinaski said:


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Donald Trump being crude on Howard Stern is what Howard Stern is for have you ever heard anything from Howard Stern?

And will the comment about Ivanka maybe a little odd I wouldn't say that it's necessarily indicative of predatory behavior and if that's not what you're trying to get at I agree with you it's odd but does that make him a predator no.

For example we saw Joe Biden sniffing little girls and getting close to them and they looked very uncomfortable. Does that make Joe Biden a sexual predator that's worse than these comments cuz Donald Trump's just saying words he's not actually doing something.
 
exoplanet said:
Well it isn't normal. Not necessarily deviant but abnormal for western culture. Past a certain age, children aren't expected to sit in your lap anymore. She is well past that age. Generally a paternal gesture of affection does not involve placing their hands on the hips of their child either. Maybe there is some culture where this is accepted and normal, but that isn't normal in the US.

Their pose and body language is more consistent with a significant other than a child/parent. Maybe that isn't weird to you?
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I think it says more about you that you find this sexual in any way than it does about Donald Trump.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Why?

False. Very common for people to show affection through closeness and touch.

Stupid Bible thumper crap
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I already explained very clearly why it's weird with concrete descriptions of the body language and cultural norms. No, it's not Bible thumping at all. As I mentioned, it's not necessarily deviant. For example, some women breastfeed their children over the age of five - I don't think it's sexual for them, but it's definitely weird for our culture.
CLAX1911 said:
So it's weird to you because your parents didn't show you affection?
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As long as we're speculating about people's backgrounds - is it not weird to you because you were abused?
 
CLAX1911 said:
I think it says more about you that you find this sexual in any way than it does about Donald Trump.
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I didn't say it was sexual. You read that into my response. What does that say about you?
 
ModernDiogenes said:
Wow. Just wow. You re deep in the weeds. The Kool-Aid is strong in this one. 🫨

A laid the case out. 30+ women accusing . The Epstein issues. The civil court case that found he had committed sexual assault. Your response: He’s misunderstood and scorned females. Oy vey you got TES bad.



I collected evidence and filed the reports and made the testimony prosecutors made their cases on. I’lll keep my own facts on what’s a legitimate case to be made and what is bigotry and what is evidence. You disregard it at your own peril (and the rest of us as a lot of folks like yourself saddle us with this criminal client whose going to rip all us working and middle class folk off before he is finished).

I’m not speaking to you and folks like you based on your worth. I fin6 know you and I figure mist of you are decent sorts, but you have the wool pulled deep over your eyes on this Trump business. That’s fine, if it just affected you, but he’s apt to hurt me and anyone who economically looks like me and that’s not fine with me.

Plus, well, just not a good look for a a democratic republic for its citizens to be this deep,y, and obviously, boondoggled. We look dopey.
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You repeated media lies. You said that Donald Trump bragged about grabbing women by the *****. That's false he never said that you lied.

In this post you claimed that Donald Trump was found to have committed sexual assault which is false no he wasn't.

Nothing you say has any merit whatsoever. Some of these lines were debunked years ago there's no reason that you still believe them other than bigotry.
 
CLAX1911 said:
The falsehoods you believe? You do realize he was recorded making the comment about women letting him grab them by the ***** and you still got it wrong

I keep thinking that about your media induced stupor but here we are 10 years later and you still haven't watched the ****ing video clip. What are you afraid of?

Are you baking this on him or what you've been told because you have gotten nothing right and there is no excuse.

the reason you will never get through to people is because you are acting exactly like a leftist repeating media lies that were debunked a decade ago.

When you stop being the exact same thing as a leftist.

Is that why you repeat media lies?
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Look, you do you but I very comfortable on where I stand on this. I’m fully backed up by the public record.

Yeah the media BUT…

1) The court testimony in way too many civil trials fir any honest person.

2) His documented anti-social behavior toward others.

3) His own words on his thoughts and behaviors. Including the comments on military, those who give, etc.

4) The staggering debris field of those who are/were his victims who tell the story of his misdeeds. The victims of fraud, the women who say they have been molested…

5) His acts of betrayal.

It adds up, Clax. It adds up.

Too high to get over. Too low to get under and far too wide to go around. You can claim what you want about it just being smoke but one can easily see the fire through it. That is, if you care to.
 
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