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Musk claims that Trump is “in the Epstein files”

Some right wing people would rather have right wing supporting pedophiles in office than Democrats.

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trumptman said:
I look forward to the entire Democrat Party demanding all the Epstein files be released immediately.
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Let’s do it!
Let’s see who needs to be arrested.
Of course if Trump is in the list, he’ll pardon himself.
And MAGA will cheer.
 
trixare4kids said:
I thought the left was all about giving others their due process but let's for a moment ask ourselves why a guy like Elon Musk, a major Trump election donor, would support a pedophile for president?
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It's funny you think these people have a moral compass.
 
- No infidelity scandals
- No drug using family members running around
- No Special K using billionaire donors acting as shadow presidents
- No hookers paid off by shady lawyers
- No efforts to overturn elections
- No neo-nazis working in shadow advisor groups
- No trips to Epstein Island

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Musk claims that Trump is "in the Epstein Files?"

If I recall correctly, there was some attempt to assert this way back when Trump first ran for office, but there was no evidence Trump visited the "sex island." Also, Trump had cut Epstein off access to Mar A-Lago when Epstein's arrest occurred (if not well before that).

IMO if there was any actual evidence Trump was involved with the "sex island" that would have come out when Trump first ran for office, but even more certainly during the last election. So unless Musk can provide such evidence, it seems to be just spite.
 
CLAX1911 said:
A scorned ex-wife is not a reliable source you got anything that's could possibly be considered evidence besides somebody with a vendetta?

Or do you just wholesale believe everything you hear negative about someone you don't like?
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When it’s said under oath by someone with reason to know, then published in a book that was vetted by in house counsel to protect said publishers from massive lawsuits, about a man who was caught bragging about “grabbing them by the p##sy”, who has been accused of sexual misconduct by at least 30 other women*..

Yeah, I tend to believe it. Because the TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES SAY I OUGHT TO.


CLAX1911 said:
… you have TDS.
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No, TDS actually is a Trump supporters issue. As I have stated here now, and for the last five years, is making an undeniable case that Trump supporters have Totality of the Evidence Syndrome. (TES)

That is the case where they continue to support Trump when the mountain of evidence presented to them that the guy is:

1) A thief and a low life of miserable character and horrendous ethics…

2) Is a sexual predator…

3) Breaks his contractual word.

4) Lies just because he can…

5) uses fraud and deceit to conduct his thieving. Haven been found in civil courts to have stolen millions from thousands of victims.

6) Violated our Constitution in multiple ways.

7) I could go on but use this as a place holder for all the rest

Yet you folks still support this criminal, yes VERY BAD MAN, of the stupefyingly bad ethics and character despite the PREPONDERANCE, THE TOTALITY, OF ALL THIS EVIDENCE.

It’s remarkable but they do it. As I’ve stated elsewhere though; it’s not that surprising when over a third of us are measured as functionally illiterate by the federal agency that takes measure of reading levels and such,
National Center for Education Statistics (NCES).**

* https://19thnews.org/2023/10/donald-trump-associates-sexual-misconduct-allegations/

**. Google A.I.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) reports on various aspects of reading levels, including national average scores, percentages of students performing at different achievement levels, and long-term trends. NAEP (National Assessment of Educational Progress) assessments, administered by NCES, provide data on reading performance at grades 4, 8, and 12. These assessments use a 0-500 scale and define achievement levels (Basic, Proficient, Advanced).

Key NCES Stats on Reading Levels:
  • Grades 4 & 8:
    In 2022, the percentage of students performing below NAEP Basic in reading ranged from 20% to 52% across states/jurisdictions. A larger proportion of fourth-graders performed below NAEP Basic in 26 states/jurisdictions.

  • Grades 4 & 8 (Long-Term Trends):
    Between 2019 and 2022, average reading scores declined for students in both grades. The long-term trend decline in scoring was experienced by students at all percentiles of reading skill.

  • Grade 12:
    In 2019, 37% of twelfth-grade students performed at or above the NAEP Proficient level.

  • Adult Literacy:
    Approximately 43 million adults in the U.S. possess low literacy skills, with 26.5 million at Level 1 and 8.4 million below Level 1, according to NCES.
Those adult Level one or lower are the base. If you dig into it further it’s approximately 55% of us that are Level 2 or lower. The NCES states that LEVEL TWO OR LOWER IS PARTIALLY FUNCTIONALLY ILLITERATE.
 
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multivita-man said:
Lots of smoke but no fire from what I gather. The most serious charges aimed at the Duke of York, seemingly a lot of smoke and maybe some fire there, but the rest of those implicated are more guilty by association than anything.
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Really. How do a bunch of middle aged powerful men associate with underage women.
 
nota bene said:
I guess this is the end of the bromance.

But I have a real question for the thread: Have any of the "Epstein Files" been made public? Asking because my dim understanding is Ghislaine Maxwell has the proverbial "little black book" (more like video recordings, but you know what I mean) and all I've seen and years ago were a few flight manifests. Both Clintons were listed and just all sorts of folks. I've always read that "Lolita Island" was like Alice's Restaurant (as in you can get anything you want, including the opportunity to snuff a kid), but weren't there also glam parties the rich and famous attended?
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Hmmm, I don't know. Do remember an Affidavit sworn to by Jane Doe, who claimed to be at Epstein parties in Manhattan at age 13, and had at least 4 encounters with Trump. I think she later dropped any action. Maybe she's in the little black book.
 
I think REAL politics are happening here. Elon is playing his role.
They needed a major distraction and they got it of Epstein proportions.

The question is, a distraction for what?
 
Captain Adverse said:
Musk claims that Trump is "in the Epstein Files?"

If I recall correctly, there was some attempt to assert this way back when Trump first ran for office, but there was no evidence Trump visited the "sex island." Also, Trump had cut Epstein off access to Mar A-Lago when Epstein's arrest occurred (if not well before that).

IMO if there was any actual evidence Trump was involved with the "sex island" that would have come out when Trump first ran for office, but even more certainly during the last election. So unless Musk can provide such evidence, it seems to be just spite.
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Trump‘s falling out with Epstein wasn’t over underage girls. It was a real estate.
Trump’s timeline of events doesn’t add up.
 
We could have had sane, mature and normal.

Good job Southerners.
 
HenryChinaski said:
They will be after Trump is out of the public eye and no longer in power History will not allow them to stay unreleased.
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Why would anyone in DC be protective of Trump. I'm talking even TODAY. At best Trump might have 50% control of the actual executive branch.

If a district judge feels like they can just order Trump to re-import citizens of another country, what's stopping them from ordering the release of the Epstein files?

Sven Karma said:
I guess your user name suggests that this may be hard for you to grasp, but sometimes it's not all about Trump.

The full unexpurgated Epstein files would/will set bombs off in a lot of places. Easy to see the Democrats in no hurry to have, hypothetically, a load of Bill Clinton blowback.
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My name suggests I play an instrument but thanks for showing the TDS if in full bloom for some.

NuffSaid said:
Let’s do it!
Let’s see who needs to be arrested.
Of course if Trump is in the list, he’ll pardon himself.
And MAGA will cheer.
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You make a good point. Trump could literally pardon himself. He could give himself and his entire family blanket life pardons. Joe Biden led the way on that.

So really someone found a way to leak his tax records, leak that he slept with a porn star, leaked the grab them by the ***** tape, pretended to leak a pretend dossier of golden showers and more.

So seriously I'm pretty certain if they even had something they could pretend to fake as Epstein info tied to Trump we'd have it by now.

The party that got felonies from loan documents isn't exactly going to be claimed to show restraint and they had four years where Trump was out of power.

Let's also not forget that since Trump was out of power that he ran for President THREE TIMES.

Much like with his tax forms, if there were something there to get him out of a race, it would have come out by now. Obama, Biden, hell even a quarter of the Republican Party could have leaked it by now.
 
There doesn't seem to be a big difference between a Musk fight and a mud fight.

Dysfunctional Donald is in it up to his eyeballs.
 
Of course *****-grabber Trump is in the Epstein files.

No one should be surprised.
 
The next shoe to drop will be the Putin and Trump relationship.
 
No real surprise if this is true. Trump is a civilly liable rapist and admitted to walking in on young girls while changing to see them naked. Its the reason he bought the pageants.
 
Schweddy said:
I think REAL politics are happening here. Elon is playing his role.
They needed a major distraction and they got it of Epstein proportions.

The question is, a distraction for what?
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I agree.

IMO this has a lot to do with economics rather than personal animus. Elon Musk's financials are suffering from his connection with Trump, he is losing millions as the Left are taking things out on his companies.

I say this because the "conflict" seems contrived, a dramatic shift in the space of a few days. He has to act like he and Trump had a falling out and are now "enemies" IMO to reclaim "Liberal" status and stop hemorrhaging money from his companies.

Of course, it's possible he really is upset at the budget bill, but I'd think he'd have had some input in its creation. Perhaps he's upset at all the riders that members of Congress typically add in order to get something for their own constituencies.

I'd prefer to wait on more details from both him and Trump before I credit this as a valid break.
 
Schweddy said:
I think REAL politics are happening here. Elon is playing his role.
They needed a major distraction and they got it of Epstein proportions.

The question is, a distraction for what?
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I think you're reading too much into this. This is a spat between two adults with the emotional maturity of toddlers, and big surprise, they're both acting like toddlers.
 
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