Multiple Texas Farms Shut Down After ‘Almost 100%’ Of Workforce Vanishes Overnight

[Individual]

Why is it a major problem?
For whom is it a major problem?

If it truly was a major problem, congress would be fixing said problem. But they are not.

1. Because of the number of persons who have entered illegally is so high.

2. For government, police, immigration, social services, and some people in general who have been victims of crime.

3. Politicians seldom, if ever, resolve problems. More often than not they look for a work around that will benefit their remaining/gaining power. Solved problems are no longer useful.

 

[Individual]

There's no fix taking place.

Removal of those who entered illegally is a start.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Removal of those who entered illegally is a start.

Thats not a fix.

 

[dairyair]

1. Because of the number of persons who have entered illegally is so high.

2. For government, police, immigration, social services, and some people in general who have been victims of crime.

3. Politicians seldom, if ever, resolve problems. More often than not they look for a work around that will benefit their remaining/gaining power. Solved problems are no longer useful.

So?

More crimes are committed by citizens. Even by your friends. Who you and they aid illegals in getting work.

Why do we elect congress if they don't have any job to do?

 

[Individual]

Thats not a fix.

As I said it's a start. The problem will be fixed when the few if any who attempt to enter illegally begin being apprehended and returned to where they entered from very quickly, and all non citizens within the country have been documented and allowed to remain as long as they maintain a legal status.

 

[dairyair]

Removal of those who entered illegally is a start.

NO. They will return. Or new workers will come.

At best, removal is a small bandaid.

 

[Individual]

So?

More crimes are committed by citizens. Even by your friends. Who you and they aid illegals in getting work.

Why do we elect congress if they don't have any job to do?

So that needs to be changed.

Hopefully true. A government created opportunity.

Good question, their primary function has become getting elected and remaining in office. A deeply divided society keeps them from HAVING to do their job.

 

[NolanVoyd]

As I said it's a start.

no, really its not. It exasterbates the problem.

and all non citizens within the country have been documented and allowed to remain as long as they maintain a legal status.

The law doesnt allow that.

Fixing that instead of deporting them would be a start.

 

[Individual]

NO. They will return. Or new workers will come.

At best, removal is a small bandaid.

As long as they do so legally, they're welcome to do so.

It's not a bandaid at all. It allows one to correct a wrong by doing what is right by our laws. And, if nothing else, sends a message to others that if they enter illegally they will be hunted down with consequences, which should be quite stringent going forward.

 

[Individual]

no, really its not. It exasterbates the problem.

The law doesnt allow that.

Fixing that instead of deporting them would be a start.

I don't see that.

What doesn't the law allow?
What we're trying to fix is illegal entry into the country. Deporting allows them to reenter legally.

 

[Cosmo]

Nope Im not. ITIN is only issued to people who cannot get an SSN. You seem to think that legal immigrants can’t get an SSN.

Wrong again. I specifically said legal status in the US is required to get a Social Security Number:

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Jun 24, 2025

Undocumented workers are submitting federal tax returns? Those affect their employers who are then held accountable for payroll taxes, etc.

It's for people that need to file federal tax returns. Why do undocumented workers need to file federal tax returns?

Legally or practically? Legally, it's because anyone working in the US must pay taxes (in most cases).

Practically, they don't because they're already illegals/outlaws and get paid cash. Employers know they can't get Social Security Numbers/work authorization as those require legal status in the US, so there's really no fully...

• Cosmo

My SO has an SSN and only has a temporary status.
So, you need to prove that legal immigrants can’t get an SSN

 

[NolanVoyd]

I don't see that.

What doesn't the law allow?

It doesnt allow them to start the process to become legal of they are here illegally.

What we're trying to fix is illegal entry into the country. Deporting allows them to reenter legally.

IF deported they are not allowed to re enter legally for a long period of time. even without having been deported it takes a decade or more. Those that have been deported have to wait a long time before they can e en apply.

The whole idea is stupid.

THey are already here, working and contributing, it makes a lot more sense to allow them to keep working, and fix their legal status ftom here instead of disrupting the economy and thrir lives by putting them through the wholly unnecessary step of leaving before they can vome back.

It defies common sense.

 

[Individual]

It doesnt allow them to start the process to become legal of they are here illegally.

Deporting them starts the process by which they can enter legally.

IF deported they are not allowed to re enter legally for a long period of time. even without having been deported it takes a decade or more. Those that have been deported have to wait a long time before they can e en apply.

The whole idea is stupid.

THey are already here, working and contributing, it makes a lot more sense to allow them to keep working, and fix their legal status ftom here instead of disrupting the economy and thrir lives by putting them through the wholly unnecessary step of leaving before they can vome back.

It defies common sense.

And in at least one previous post I've answered all the above.
Those who self identify should be documented when leaving, and after a short delay of at least 1 week be allowed to seek expedited legal entry, should there be no other reasons found to deny or delay their entry.
Those who within a given time period do not self identify, would when found by ICE be deported and suffer greater consequences before being allowed to enter legally.

Resolving the issue in a wholly reasonable and rational way requires the application of common sense.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Deporting them starts the process by which they can enter legally.

We could allow them start the process of becoming legal without disrupting the economy and forcing good people to quit their jobs and leave their homes and pull their kids out of school.

That would make a lot more sense.

And in at least one previous post I've answered all the above.
Those who self identify should be documented when leaving, and after a short delay of at least 1 week be allowed to seek expedited legal entry, should there be no other reasons found to deny or delay their entry.
Those who within a given time period do not self identify, would when found by ICE be deported and suffer greater consequences before being allowed to enter legally.

Why not just skip that cruel and unnecessary step and allow them to become legal while staying here and working?

Resolving the issue in a wholly reasonable and rational way requires the application of common sense.

Yes.

It defies common sense to make them leave and come back. They could just start the legal process wothout that unnecessary step.

 

[Individual]

We could allow them start the process of becoming legal without disrupting the economy and forcing good people to quit their jobs and leave their homes and pull their kids out of school.

That would make a lot more sense.

We could, but I wouldn't. A weeks vacation is all I'm suggesting, and if their employer actually needs/wants them they would return to their jobs as legal employees. If the kids entered illegally, one week out of school would be like a week long sickness.
The message it sends would make a lot of sense to others.

Why not just skip that cruel and unnecessary step and allow them to become legal while staying here and working?

Yes.

Neither cruel or unnecessary.

It defies common sense to make them leave and come back. They could just start the legal process wothout that unnecessary step.

The only legal process we're trying to resolve is the method of gaining entry to the country legally.

 

[dairyair]

So that needs to be changed.

Hopefully true. A government created opportunity.

Good question, their primary function has become getting elected and remaining in office. A deeply divided society keeps them from HAVING to do their job.

Why?
They have been shown to be a benefit to society and economy. Congress thinks so by their lack of action to address immigration laws.

As long as they do so legally, they're welcome to do so.

It's not a bandaid at all. It allows one to correct a wrong by doing what is right by our laws. And, if nothing else, sends a message to others that if they enter illegally they will be hunted down with consequences, which should be quite stringent going forward.

Whether they do so legally depends on the laws and access to the process. It's not funded monetarily or human resource enough to keep up.

It is a bandaid. If fixes nothing. Doesn't even address the root issue of why they come.
Why should they be hunted down, according to you, you and your friends help them with SS #s and don't report them.

 

[dairyair]

I don't see that.

What doesn't the law allow?
What we're trying to fix is illegal entry into the country. Deporting allows them to reenter legally.

Instead of allowing them to reenter legally, why not avoid the hassle and cost and give them legal status?

 

[Individual]

Why?
They have been shown to be a benefit to society and economy. Congress thinks so by their lack of action to address immigration laws.

Whether they do so legally depends on the laws and access to the process. It's not funded monetarily or human resource enough to keep up.

It is a bandaid. If fixes nothing. Doesn't even address the root issue of why they come.
Why should they be hunted down, according to you, you and your friends help them with SS #s and don't report them.

Then I have nothing more to say, while ICE does the job they're paid to do.

 

[Individual]

Instead of allowing them to reenter legally, why not avoid the hassle and cost and give them legal status?

Didn't change much last time. ICE has a job to do, so I won't suggest any change to how they do it.

 

[dairyair]

Then I have nothing more to say, while ICE does the job they're paid to do.

And you still help the illegal immigrants by keeping quiet about your friends illegally giving them their SS#.

If you truly believe what you post, you'd aid them in their job instead of hiding illegals.

 

[Individual]

And you still help the illegal immigrants by keeping quiet about your friends illegally giving them their SS#.

If you truly believe what you post, you'd aid them in their job instead of hiding illegals.

50 or more years ago, so they probably aren't alive now, or long retired like me.

 

[NolanVoyd]

We could, but I wouldn't. A weeks vacation is all I'm suggesting, and if their employer actually needs/wants them they would return to their jobs as legal employee

That os not how it works.

if you are going to change the law why not eliminate the extra step of leaving?

ot lacks common sense. Serves no purpose.

Please explain.

Neither cruel or unnecessary.

Very cruel and totally unnecessary.

 

[Individual]

That os not how it works.

if you are going to change the law why not eliminate the extra step of leaving?

ot lacks common sense. Serves no purpose.

Please explain.



Very cruel and totally unnecessary.

I've presented adequate explanation already, if you've read all my responses. I think it's clear we are unable to agree.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I've presented adequate explanation already, if you've read all my responses. I think it's clear we are unable to agree.

No you havent.

You have not given one single reason why you think the e tra step of leaving when the exact same thing could be accomplished without thst extra step.

It defies common sense.

 

[Individual]

No you havent.

You have not given one single reason why you think the e tra step of leaving when the exact same thing could be accomplished without thst extra step.

It defies common sense.

The primary issue I'm looking to resolve is legal entry to the U.S., which I make the first step and for reasons given more than once.