Multiple Texas Farms Shut Down After ‘Almost 100%’ Of Workforce Vanishes Overnight

[Individual]

IT IS ILLEGAL, TO HIRE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

If they couldn't get jobs, they would NOT come here.
Hope that isn't too offensive.

Employers are not law enforcement. Some of my legal immigrant friends made some extra money by allowing illegal immigrants to use their social security number to gain employment. A co-worker who was in debt used to work as a day laborer on his off days, where those seeking a days work would show up at a designated location and those needing some labor would just pick from those seeking a days work. Those who can't find low paying legal work to do can always find higher paying illegal work to do.
Maybe ICE should have people assigned to work locations where illegal immigrants are most likely to be employed and verify each worker as they show up for work? Then as you suggest, those who would not show up to prevent being apprehended by ICE, would eventually return to where they came from to avoid starvation, yes?

 

[Individual]

Same goes with enforcement of laws on the books for people.
It's illegal federally to have or use pot, but rarely enforced.

Gov't makes laws and also has to follow the laws they make.
Ever hear of Habeas Corpus? What happens if gov't doesn't follow that law?

You seem to think the gov't is above the laws. They are not. So, why do you defend the gov't or businesses breaking laws?

Those who have entered the U.S. at any location other than a legal entry point are guilty of trespass, and IMO unless they have committed some other chargeable crime should only be removed to where they entered from. When there are millions of such persons, you seem to want to involve courts while the only question in need of an answer is has the person entered legally, and if so there should be documentation at a port of entry confirming such. I would have no problem with ICE bringing each person apprehended to a Judge assigned to handle such, allowing the individual apprehended by ICE to tell the Judge when/where they entered legally and have that quickly verified, which if it is not, they would quickly be deported. Shouldn't take but a matter of minutes for each case to be handled. Those who HAVE entered legally should have an I-94 arrival/departure number which they should keep on their person as long as they remain in the U.S.

 

[ClaraD]

Stop guessing. Start making sense.

Im not guessing about anything. You actually think green card holders get an ITIN?
No, green card holders have a social as do anyone with a legal status including anyone with a work permit. Only undocumented immigrants get an ITIN

 

[ClaraD]

Employers are not law enforcement. Some of my legal immigrant friends made some extra money by allowing illegal immigrants to use their social security number to gain employment. A co-worker who was in debt used to work as a day laborer on his off days, where those seeking a days work would show up at a designated location and those needing some labor would just pick from those seeking a days work. Those who can't find low paying legal work to do can always find higher paying illegal work to do.
Maybe ICE should have people assigned to work locations where illegal immigrants are most likely to be employed and verify each worker as they show up for work? Then as you suggest, those who would not show up to prevent being apprehended by ICE, would eventually return to where they came from to avoid starvation, yes?

Also, it’s perfectly legal to not check the legal status of people you use as contractors

 

[Cosmo]

Im not guessing about anything. You actually think green card holders get an ITIN?
No, green card holders have a social as do anyone with a legal status including anyone with a work permit. Only undocumented immigrants get an ITIN

Are you done rationalizing your conclusion that was based on your complete ignorance of ITIN basics?

 

[dairyair]

Employers are not law enforcement. Some of my legal immigrant friends made some extra money by allowing illegal immigrants to use their social security number to gain employment. A co-worker who was in debt used to work as a day laborer on his off days, where those seeking a days work would show up at a designated location and those needing some labor would just pick from those seeking a days work. Those who can't find low paying legal work to do can always find higher paying illegal work to do.
Maybe ICE should have people assigned to work locations where illegal immigrants are most likely to be employed and verify each worker as they show up for work? Then as you suggest, those who would not show up to prevent being apprehended by ICE, would eventually return to where they came from to avoid starvation, yes?

Wow.

You really don't understand this. NO one claimed employers are law enforcement.
However, like you and and Immigrants, we/they still have to follow the laws. Are you now trying to claim those farms didn't know their labor were illegal workers? They all had SS numbers or ID that allowed them to be in the country?

So, your friends are criminals, just like the immigrants. But you don't want to punish your criminal friends either. Just the brown people. Now I see why you were offended. You shouldn't be offended. It turns out it's true.

Your friends, some employers, all have engaged in illegal activity. But the brown people are the only ones you think need to be punished. Is that true?

Yes, ICE should be at all employers job sites. Arresting those employers that knowingly hired workers illegally.
Both sides are breaking the law.

 

[dairyair]

Those who have entered the U.S. at any location other than a legal entry point are guilty of trespass, and IMO unless they have committed some other chargeable crime should only be removed to where they entered from. When there are millions of such persons, you seem to want to involve courts while the only question in need of an answer is has the person entered legally, and if so there should be documentation at a port of entry confirming such. I would have no problem with ICE bringing each person apprehended to a Judge assigned to handle such, allowing the individual apprehended by ICE to tell the Judge when/where they entered legally and have that quickly verified, which if it is not, they would quickly be deported. Shouldn't take but a matter of minutes for each case to be handled. Those who HAVE entered legally should have an I-94 arrival/departure number which they should keep on their person as long as they remain in the U.S.

I understand what are illegal immigrants.
That isn't what my point is.

They are illegal and those that hire them are just as illegal. If they knowingly hired them.
The courts, per the constitution, is how these things are handled. Especially if asylum is being asked for.

The system to deal with immigration is broken. And no one wants to address it or fix it.
Probably because it's been a boom for the economy and the economy would collapse if we fixed the immigration system faults.

ICE is not taking each apprehended person to a judge. They seem to be deporting them to countries we've paid to take the deportees.

 

[Individual]

Wow.

You really don't understand this. NO one claimed employers are law enforcement.
However, like you and and Immigrants, we/they still have to follow the laws. Are you now trying to claim those farms didn't know their labor were illegal workers? They all had SS numbers or ID that allowed them to be in the country?

So, your friends are criminals, just like the immigrants. But you don't want to punish your criminal friends either. Just the brown people. Now I see why you were offended. You shouldn't be offended. It turns out it's true.

Your friends, some employers, all have engaged in illegal activity. But the brown people are the only ones you think need to be punished. Is that true?

Yes, ICE should be at all employers job sites. Arresting those employers that knowingly hired workers illegally.
Both sides are breaking the law.

First, what makes you think my friends are light skinned?
Second, all my friends happened to enter the country legally, mostly from Viet Nam, Laos, and Cambodia.
ICE should focus on persons who entered the country illegally, mostly employees but there may be a an employer or two among them.
If ever the number of persons who have entered illegally is brought down to a small number, I might support going after employers, but I don't know that to be a function of ICE to go after citizens. Perhaps local/State police or maybe Federal marshals?

 

[Individual]

I understand what are illegal immigrants.
That isn't what my point is.

They are illegal and those that hire them are just as illegal. If they knowingly hired them.
The courts, per the constitution, is how these things are handled. Especially if asylum is being asked for.

The system to deal with immigration is broken. And no one wants to address it or fix it.
Probably because it's been a boom for the economy and the economy would collapse if we fixed the immigration system faults.

ICE is not taking each apprehended person to a judge. They seem to be deporting them to countries we've paid to take the deportees.

I agree, fix the immigration system.

Those apprehended by ICE are guilty of trespass, and I'd have no problem with each being given 5 minutes by a Judge to show proof of legal entry, which if unable they should be deported to where they entered from illegally, requiring a predetermined amount of time to pass before they would be allowed to enter and be documented legally.

 

[What if...?]

First resolve the illegal immigration issue, whereby non-immigrants can gain temporary legal entry to the U.S. with permission to work, and then impose stiff fines on employers who are found to employ any who have entered illegally.
I'd begin with an I-94 type smart card for such persons.

That’s what I’ve been saying forever! A working guest worker program lets us reap the benefits without so much downside.

They would all prefer this.

 

[Individual]

That’s what I’ve been saying forever! A working guest worker program lets us reap the benefits without so much downside.

They would all prefer this.

Enter legally and maintain a legal residency is all I would ask.

 

[dairyair]

First, what makes you think my friends are light skinned?
Second, all my friends happened to enter the country legally, mostly from Viet Nam, Laos, and Cambodia.
ICE should focus on persons who entered the country illegally, mostly employees but there may be a an employer or two among them.
If ever the number of persons who have entered illegally is brought down to a small number, I might support going after employers, but I don't know that to be a function of ICE to go after citizens. Perhaps local/State police or maybe Federal marshals?

Never said a word about the skin color of your friends. You were the one that said your friends lent other immigrants their SS#. That's illegal and makes them a criminal, to use your terminology.

ICE should focus on the reasons immigrants come here illegally. Work. Halt the employers from hiring them, they don't have a reason to come.

According to MAGA, there's hardly any illegals coming in today. So, where's the crackdown on employers? They know who's hiring them because they raid their business. So, go after the illegal employers, now.

Local authorities don't know who is or is not a legal resident. It's also not their jobs to harass people.
But, ICE does know which employers are breaking the law. That's why Tx farmers are worried about not having people to work their crops.

 

[dairyair]

I agree, fix the immigration system.

Those apprehended by ICE are guilty of trespass, and I'd have no problem with each being given 5 minutes by a Judge to show proof of legal entry, which if unable they should be deported to where they entered from illegally, requiring a predetermined amount of time to pass before they would be allowed to enter and be documented legally.

You notice, this issue has been an issue for over 60 yrs. Never has their been any real effort to change the immigration system.

Why?
Those apprehended by ICE may be the problem. Not all of them. The employers are also the problem.
Part of the equation you keep suggesting to ignore.
Which of course is the root of the problem. Hiring them and giving them a reason to come.

 

[dairyair]

Enter legally and maintain a legal residency is all I would ask.

Problem is, the system is broken and no one is looking to fix it.

But you claimed to have friends aiding the system illegally by giving immigrants use of their SS#.
And you are complicit in allowing them to illegally do that if you know they do that and don't report their illegal activity. You seem to be aiding the broken system by keeping quiet.

 

[Individual]

You notice, this issue has been an issue for over 60 yrs. Never has their been any real effort to change the immigration system.

Why?
Those apprehended by ICE may be the problem. Not all of them. The employers are also the problem.
Part of the equation you keep suggesting to ignore.
Which of course is the root of the problem. Hiring them and giving them a reason to come.

Yes it has been left to become a major problem.
Those who have entered the U.S. illegally are THE problem. Those who you say may not be a problem should have little difficulty entering the country legally. The employers, by providing them with honest work may be reducing a significant amount of crime so IMO they are providing a service to citizens while waiting on government to do its' job.
The root of the problem has little to do with available jobs but with available wealth.

 

[Individual]

Problem is, the system is broken and no one is looking to fix it.

But you claimed to have friends aiding the system illegally by giving immigrants use of their SS#.
And you are complicit in allowing them to illegally do that if you know they do that and don't report their illegal activity. You seem to be aiding the broken system by keeping quiet.

The system is broken at the border. Seems the current attempt to fix the problem is what we've been talking about.

 

[ClaraD]

Are you done rationalizing your conclusion that was based on your complete ignorance of ITIN basics?

I understand very well how an ITIN works. I’ve assisted more than one person, with said number in filing taxes. None of the people who have an ITIN are legal residents

 

[ClaraD]

First, what makes you think my friends are light skinned?
Second, all my friends happened to enter the country legally, mostly from Viet Nam, Laos, and Cambodia.
ICE should focus on persons who entered the country illegally, mostly employees but there may be a an employer or two among them.
If ever the number of persons who have entered illegally is brought down to a small number, I might support going after employers, but I don't know that to be a function of ICE to go after citizens. Perhaps local/State police or maybe Federal marshals?

If they entered during and after Vietnam they entered via the same process as present asylees

 

[Individual]

If they entered during and after Vietnam they entered via the same process as present asylees

That would be true of most of them, and it was the people who helped them through the process who taught them ways of gaming the system.

 

[Cosmo]

I understand very well how an ITIN works.

No, you don't.

I’ve assisted more than one person, with said number in filing taxes.

Unless you're responsible for the issuance of every single ITIN ever, this is not relevant and proves nothing.

None of the people who have an ITIN are legal residents

You're contradicting both the IRS and your own source.

 

[ClaraD]

No, you don't.

Unless you're responsible for the issuance of every single ITIN ever, this is not relevant and proves nothing.

You're contradicting both the IRS and your own source.

Nope Im not. ITIN is only issued to people who cannot get an SSN. You seem to think that legal immigrants can’t get an SSN. My SO has an SSN and only has a temporary status.
So, you need to prove that legal immigrants can’t get an SSN

 

[ClaraD]

That would be true of most of them, and it was the people who helped them through the process who taught them ways of gaming the system.

Game the system? There is no gaming the system

 

[Individual]

Game the system? There is no gaming the system

Have you read what some were told they might do for their benefit?

 

[dairyair]

Yes it has been left to become a major problem.
Those who have entered the U.S. illegally are THE problem. Those who you say may not be a problem should have little difficulty entering the country legally. The employers, by providing them with honest work may be reducing a significant amount of crime so IMO they are providing a service to citizens while waiting on government to do its' job.
The root of the problem has little to do with available jobs but with available wealth.

Why is it a major problem?
For whom is it a major problem?

If it truly was a major problem, congress would be fixing said problem. But they are not.

 

[dairyair]

The system is broken at the border. Seems the current attempt to fix the problem is what we've been talking about.

There's no fix taking place.