Multiple Texas Farms Shut Down After ‘Almost 100%’ Of Workforce Vanishes Overnight

[dairyair]

You could say that, but for reason.

What's that reason? Money or skin color?
Most of those workers are like other workers wanting to provide for family

 

[LostInSeattle]

That makes no sense. Your source says there is an estimated 5.4 million active ITINs. So you're saying every single ITIN is used by an illegal immigrant?

No that is definitely not the case. Other people who are ineligible for an SSN use an ITIN.

 

[Cosmo]

No that is definitely not the case. Other people who are ineligible for an SSN use an ITIN.

So then his statement makes no sense.

 

[LostInSeattle]

So then his statement makes no sense.

The document he referenced claimed $100 billion in federal, STATE AMD LOCAL taxes. That's perfectly plausible. The yearly estimates I've seen - and I gave you a link to some - of federal taxes are about $6 billion in FICA and $20 billion in payroll tax. It varies by year.

This site gives a breakdown of how the estimates are calculated.

Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants

Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase.

itep.org

 

[LostInSeattle]

ITIN isn't use to pay the IRS, rather its used to get back withholding and apply for additional government benefits.

Why do you claim this when it is in no way true? Try actually looking it up - you have google. Or are you uninterested in the truth?

 

[Cosmo]

The document he referenced claimed $100 billion in federal, STATE AMD LOCAL taxes. That's perfectly plausible. The yearly estimates I've seen - and I gave you a link to some - of federal taxes are about $6 billion in FICA and $20 billion in payroll tax. It varies by year.

This site gives a breakdown of how the estimates are calculated.

Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants

Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase.

itep.org

Did you look at the methodology? They just take percentages and reduce and increase figures arbitrarily:

We adjust for an expected undercount of 13 percent for those immigrants who arrived in the most recent year, with that rate declining by 7.5

A quick glance reveals they're not even making their guesses based on correct assumptions, such as:

Round 3: Disqualify people within this universe who receive public assistance for which undocumented individuals are ineligible.

They didn't actually define what services they were eligible and ineligible for here, so I searched their site:

Morally and Economically, Including Undocumented Immigrants Is the Right Thing to Do

Undocumented immigrants pay taxes and play an integral part in the social and economic welfare of our country, yet Congress left them almost entirely out of the CARES Act package. Fortunately, immigrants, workers and their allies are helping policymakers advance better policy approaches.

itep.org

Undocumented immigrants are already excluded from Medicaid

But we know that's not true because NYC publicly states they provide Medicaid to illegals.

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Jun 21, 2025

Oh stop.

Thats your whole problem right there.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

"Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for Medicaid or CHIP, and only some lawfully present immigrants qualify subject to eligibility restrictions."

5 Key Facts About Immigrants and Medicaid | KFF

Confusion persists about immigrants’ eligibility for federal programs, with about half or more of U.S. adults and immigrants adults saying they are unsure or incorrectly believe that most immigrants to the U.S. are eligible to enroll in federal health insurance programs, including Medicaid, as...

www.kff.org

Nice blog. Here's reality:

Immigrants - OCHIA

Immigrants in New York have more health insurance options than in many other states. Applying for health insurance won't affect...

• Cosmo

 

[LostInSeattle]

Did you look at the methodology? They just take percentages and reduce and increase figures arbitrarily:


A quick glance reveals they're not even making their guesses based on correct assumptions, such as:


They didn't actually define what services they were eligible and ineligible for here, so I searched their site:

Morally and Economically, Including Undocumented Immigrants Is the Right Thing to Do

Undocumented immigrants pay taxes and play an integral part in the social and economic welfare of our country, yet Congress left them almost entirely out of the CARES Act package. Fortunately, immigrants, workers and their allies are helping policymakers advance better policy approaches.

itep.org

I will look at the methodology tomorrow.

But we know that's not true because NYC publicly states they provide Medicaid to illegals.

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Jun 21, 2025

Oh stop.

Thats your whole problem right there.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

"Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for Medicaid or CHIP, and only some lawfully present immigrants qualify subject to eligibility restrictions."

5 Key Facts About Immigrants and Medicaid | KFF

Confusion persists about immigrants’ eligibility for federal programs, with about half or more of U.S. adults and immigrants adults saying they are unsure or incorrectly believe that most immigrants to the U.S. are eligible to enroll in federal health insurance programs, including Medicaid, as...

www.kff.org

Nice blog. Here's reality:

Immigrants - OCHIA

Immigrants in New York have more health insurance options than in many other states. Applying for health insurance won't affect...

• Cosmo

Oh come on. It is medicaid assistance for pregnant women and emergencies in NYC. The vast majority of unauthorized immigrants (that's the offical IRS term) do not receive it.

 

[Cosmo]

I will look at the methodology tomorrow.

Oh come on. It is medicaid assistance for pregnant women and emergencies in NYC.

And children.

The vast majority of unauthorized immigrants (that's the offical IRS term) do not receive it.

The point is they're making arbitrary assumptions and not even basing them on facts. I looked at the thing for a few minutes and already found this major error, and I'm not even an expert here, just some random guy arguing on the internet after doing 5 minutes of research.

Here's another state:

https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/Get-Medi-Cal/Pages/coverage-for-all.aspx

Immigration Status Doesn't Matter

Eligibility You may be eligible for full Medi-Cal if you: Live in California Meet income and household eligibility requirements

 

[Individual]

What's that reason? Money or skin color?
Most of those workers are like other workers wanting to provide for family

Your need to offend has made your questions incomprehensible.

 

[ClaraD]

Illegals can't get work authorization since they have no legal status in the US, so they can't get Social Security Numbers, so they can't go on a W-2. There's no way to properly report it. Crack dealers probably have an easier time reporting their income and paying taxes! I'm sure you think they all pay taxes, too.

Smh it’s called an ITIN number.

 

[ClaraD]

They pay sales tax.

They also pay federal, state and SS taxes

 

[ClaraD]

That would be the pain part resulting from illegally entering the country.
The gain part would be what you said "I like this idea." to, which would be acquired upon legal entry.

I live abroad where all persons age 7 or more are legally required to carry an ID card or valid passport containing a valid visa and show it when asked by police, immigration officers, or military roadblocks. A photocopy or image on my phone usually suffices, though the immigration office requires original documents.

Military roadblocks and police without probable cause would violate the Constitution. I don’t give a rats ass what some authoritarian regimes in some other country did

 

[ClaraD]

There are those who have entered legally and those who have entered illegally.
I would require legal entry to be the only way to prevent being deported, unless they've broken some other law that requires being deported.
Most people carry a wallet to hold their money, how difficult would it be to put their smart card in their wallet?

Why should a citizen be forced to prove they are a citizen

 

[Individual]

Military roadblocks and police without probable cause would violate the Constitution. I don’t give a rats ass what some authoritarian regimes in some other country did

So continue doing nothing?

 

[Individual]

Why should a citizen be forced to prove they are a citizen

To avoid being deported?

 

[ClaraD]

So continue doing nothing?

We do plenty to the tune of $20 billion every year just for Border Patrol.
We don’t have a presumption of guilt in this country and don’t require citizens to prove their innocence. Read and learn the 4th and 5th amendment. Im going to assume you weren’t born in the USA since you asked why not

 

[ClaraD]

To avoid being deported?

Wrong. The government has to prove guilt a person doesn’t have to testify against themselves.
How would you know someone is undocumented by looking at them?

 

[Individual]

We do plenty to the tune of $20 billion every year just for Border Patrol.
We don’t have a presumption of guilt in this country and don’t require citizens to prove their innocence. Read and learn the 4th and 5th amendment. Im going to assume you weren’t born in the USA since you asked why not

How would you differ a legal resident from an illegal resident?

 

[ClaraD]

How would you differ a legal resident from an illegal resident?

You don’t unless they are caught at the border or when arrested for a crime or stopped for a traffic violation.

 

[Individual]

Wrong. The government has to prove guilt a person doesn’t have to testify against themselves.
How would you know someone is undocumented by looking at them?

As I asked, how would you suggest it be done?

 

[Individual]

You don’t unless they are caught at the border or when arrested for a crime or stopped for a traffic violation.

So keep doing what we've been doing for decades?

 

[ClaraD]

As I asked, how would you suggest it be done?

I told you. We follow the Constitution dude. If a person is stopped for a traffic violation or committing a crime you have the right to probable cause and if they have no valid US ID it creates that. I don’t care if you don’t like our Constitution my ancestors fought and died for this country and the principles in our Constitution on one side of my family

 

[ClaraD]

So keep doing what we've been doing for decades?

What precisely did we do from 1776 until 1924?

 

[Individual]

What precisely did we do from 1776 until 1924?

More important is what we've not done since 1924.

 

[ClaraD]

More important is what we've not done since 1924.

You didn’t answer the question