Re: Multi-Cultural Wild Animal Britain: Jihad kids threaten to KILL patriotic schoolb
The jizya (which is indeed a pile of 'jizz' in fact) is just one of a whole buffet of official oppressions levelled against non-believers in the Muslim world. In parts of the Muslim world, even today, Jews and Christians can be segregated and banned from practicing their religion openly and even maintaining their places of worship.
I would sk for examples from any other poster but asking you means 100s of irrelevant or plain wrong links that only serve to prove your own extreme views.
The whole package is called Dhimmitude and has only started to gradually tail off in the last 100 years or so, such is the sheer backward barbarism of the Religion Of Peace. However, other oppressions have taken precedence as Islam doesn't need to march in to oppress non-Muslims any more.
100 years ago is not today. We stopped child labour in this country about 100 years ago - do other countries still whine on about it against us?
-- Anyway, the thrust of the question was whether Laila repudiated this Koran verse, and not for the first time of asking either.
Never MY question - it's two posts above if you need a reminder.
-- And as for the translation of 9:29, I used the English one. And the thrust is the same across many other Korans you can find online. What's more, the concept of jizzya is mentioned in other Muslim books too.
The rules of Islam:
Non-Believers Under Muslim Law - Grendel Report
In Spain this stopped 1000 yrs ago, in Ottoman Turkey this stopped 100 years ago. Are there any Islamic
States now continue the practise of "Dhimmi" classes?
This link didn't work for me. Please don't bother posting a "working" one - I can guess what you're trying to show and it isn't working.
Thanks - "Dhimmis" paid jizyah and Muslims paid "zakâh." Nobody had to pay both. I would argue the only real unfairness was that "jizyah" was sometimes higher than the "zakâh" tax that Muslims had to pay. In Western Europe, we sometimes had flat taxes and we also had taxes that exhempted the nobility. The French lost their royalty because of the unfairness of the rich not paying tax. We've even had regressive taxes under Cromwell.
Muslim states in the past had taxes - but all muslim citizens paid zakâh..
-- The tax itself was very widespread right up until Edwardian times:
Jizya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And it's not paid in any states anywhere anymore is it?
I hope they deal with him appropriately if he refuses to pay his taxes.
And the whole story is that the EU is putting pressure on Libya and other Northern African nations to help stop black Africans setting sail from Libyan shores towards Europe. Ghaddafi is essentially asking for funds to pay for the facilities and manpower to do Europe's dirty work and keep illegal immigrants out.
Jizya....
So all aid given to Palestine is now to be called jizya? Your link discusses the aid payments to help aid a financial squeeze on the fledgling Palestinian Authority Govt. Tell me, we asked for IMF loans from the IMF in 1978, jizya? Greece has accepted funds to aid their credit problems recently – more jizya? And what of Ireland now – jizya yet again?
This one's close – but from your own link again - “
Elements of Al-Qaeda have moved into Dora from Anbar. No security forces are to be seen there, it seems to be abandoned by both Iraqi and Coalition. In Hay Al-Mechaneek (which is in Dora across the bridge) people have been warned by these insurgents to uninstall the satellite dishes since this is "Haram" (forbidden) in Islam. In Dora where christians live in Hay Al-Mualimeen [Teachers quarter] and Hay Al-Athorieen [Assyrian quarter] is where they are telling people to convert, leave, pay "Jizya" taxation.”
So we're basically talking about Al-Qaeda thugs or mafia. You do know the difference between bully boys and a state? You're tarnishing a whole religion because of a criminal element – but then what's new?
-- Afghanistan: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/12/west-paying-jizya-to-taliban.html
And you want to claim occupying forces have never paid local warlords anywhere else in the world? I suppose anytime something happens where muslims are concerned - but it has happened anywhere else – it's OK for jihadwatch twunts to call it jizya and hope the brain dead continue to fall for it.
The guy was muslim – the thugs are Al-Qaeda and the place is Somalia – Mogadishu. I'll quote myself - “So we're basically talking about Al-Qaeda thugs or mafia. You do know the difference between bully boys and a state? You're tarnishing a whole religion because of a criminal element – but then what's new?”
A little bit of
balance from Snopes. Essentially (not that you're really bothered – Muslims will have to, as will Amish, Scientologists etc prove that they do not burden the public fund before they can claim exemption. Not that the Tea Party or the Ann Bernhardts or RoPs of the world care.
Amish don't claim social security or any other form of public social insurance. Muslims have and do as you're fond of pointing out elsewhere. So if they claim unemployment benefit – then they cannot escape contributing. However, American's seem quite happy to allow lies and biased reporting such as the ones you're trying to pass off. Snope can be your friend – check the veracity of the stuff you post in future.
By your own previous claim jizya is some kind of reparation – you now post a contradiction that setting up a panel of muslims to stop dissaffected young muslims is some form of jizya. Yet on many other threads, you ask for evidence that muslims stand up against violence.
No matter what muslims do, it'll never be enough for the likes of you.
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saudikhali54 (2 months ago)
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anaum100 (2 months ago)
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die u all a PAINFUL DEATH U low life pepl who think sick about this beautiful religon. .
ULL get to? know what azab is very soon...!
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POTRAY ISLAM AS A BAD RELIGION BECAUSE U FU***** HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO....MUSLIMS NEVER TALK CRAP ABOUT ANY RELIGION CAUSE THEY CARE FOR HUMANITY AND HAVE BASIC ETHICS.
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012005500 (3 months ago)
You do not know something, of Islam only know what to say to you false information in your accursed
TheDreamerfalcon (4 months ago)
f*** u bitch
[/sigh] you're bringing Youtube fighting brought over here to masquerading as debate yet again.
With regard to my question, you simply could have said “jizya” hasn't been in operation or levied by any Islamic State for over 100 years.
Wonder why you didn't.... please don't answer – I wasted a good hour looking up links that are usually unsubstantiated or contradictory or worse still – simple biased US based websites like jihadwatch. I waste no more time on this thread.
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