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Mueller report summary sent to Congress

MovingPictures said:
Trump was worried that what happened to Bill Clinton would happen to him, and that ANY investigation could grow into a monster that looked into his financial background and schemes.
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Which it is doing............so much money laundering - so little time.
 
Linc said:
A summary of which Presidents have actually been put under oath would show a clear partisan divide. This is his entire life, tied up in courts. The disinformation campaign from the beginning plus refusal to testify or present documents has led to a country that is exhausted by all of this.

At least we have baseball ⚾️ and basketball 🏀 this week Will we ever get back to solving Issues? Seriously! Apologies to you and all here on DP for my earlier posting. Sad 😢 .
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Post away - how did Gonzaga do?? Asking for a friend.
 
Good time to remind us all that nobody has seen the report yet.

The effect of the 'Barr Dossier' being so widely publicized is so that when the real deal comes out, believe will believe they've already heard it all. Being correct is not nearly as important as being first, so it's important for the Trump Crime Syndicate to get its version out earlier, repeat it often and make sure it sticks. Then people will be less inclined to bother reading the full unabridged report and less likely to accept anything in it that contradicts the original narrative.

The cry will be 'but it said he was innocent'. We already know it does not.

They're not the first to do it but they've made it into an art form - truly exploiting the information age's greatest weaknesses for political gain. That will ensure a steady stream of dissenters against getting the report out at all (we already have plenty here, laughably citing 'security concerns') and undermine any moves by Congress to release details, hold hearings and investigate any further criminal cases that arise from it.
 
Chomsky said:
What has Obama got to do with my statement? I'm not sure why I'm even replying to this.
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Obama had information - likely from Intel that led to the investigation - McConnell blocked telling the public about it .................because..............Mitch didn't like the black man.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
So, there are a few possible paths to take:

The US Atty General for SDNY investigates, but they defer prosecution.
They pass the results of their investigations to the NY Attorney General.
NY state court indicts, tries and convicts Trump's family.
He cannot pardon state crimes, so a goodly number in his family become jailbirds. However, Trump can't be indicted while he's in office, but if the investigations uncover crimes that would be defined as "high crimes or treason," he could be impeached.
But since it is doubtful that the Senate would remove him, Congress might not bother.
But when Trump leaves office, he'll be wearing orange soon enough.

Oh yeah, one other thing:
SDNY just replaced the lead attorney on the Michael Cohen case with Audrey Strauss, famous for her defeat of Roy Cohn.
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Interesting.
 
Media_Truth said:
Congress should get the entire Mueller report, not some watered-down version of a Trump-appointed Attorney General.
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Barr will follow the applicable laws, and rules in releasing what he can....That he didn't immediately just turn over the entire report, unredacted, and all of the underlying notes the day that Muller turned it in has you in a tizzy, only shows how desperate you people are.
 
nota bene said:
And just FYI, I said yesterday that all should be released.
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You 100% have NEVER said that and I refuse to click any link which could ever show me otherwise. Isn't that how this game works?

Also, I have no idea why you copied and pasted an article I gave you, which undermined your original point.

nota bene said:
If you're going to be insulting, at least actually know what you "know."
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I know exactly what I said and everything I said is 100% accurate. You have repeatedly refused to click links which show you to be wrong and Ken Starr is an unethical hack.

Nothing I said is false, but it's cool how you insinuate it is without a shred of evidence. Typical.

And be advised that if you post links to WaPo or the NY Times, whether I click on the link or not depends on what time of the month it is and how many free reads I have left. I unfortunately have to waste some checking out BN issues.
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It has been said a million times on this forum, but in case you have missed it, you can always open those links in a Private Browsing mode and they will work. Just right click the link and open in Private Browsing.
 
Media_Truth said:
Congress should get the entire Mueller report, not some watered-down version of a Trump-appointed Attorney General.
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Why? There's classified information, secret Grand Jury testimony, people whos identities need to be kept secret, etc... Giving it to Congress will expose all that. That's why it doesn't go through them, besides the fact that the SC reports to the AG, not Congress.
 
I would prefer Mueller's whole report get released simply because we know what its author concluded. Mueller knows what is in the report, he conducted a very thurough investigation and would know. He did not find evidence of collusion. It has been reported Mueller lays out the evidence with the arguments in support of and against each item applied to every charge. There were many indictments and each had several charges, thousands of subpoenas and hundreds of hours of interrogations, all of this has been documented, the subpoenas are supported with affidavits and cite evidence gathered, the interrogations produce reports summarizing their outcome and transcripts of the questions and answers. I doubt Barr went through it all, he relied on Mueller, whom I'm sure did go through it all.

It is likely there is sensitive information identifying agents, sources and procedures that should not be revealed, so it is necessary to consider those details and the advisability of their publication. Without knowing the 'granularity' of Mueller's report it is hard to tell whether its release would compromise "national security", I'd defer to the judgement of Barr on this. I suspect Democrats are still incredulous of Mueller's conclusions, that they think he must have overlooked something or inadequately considered something else. Maybe they think that since Mueller was not a Democrat, he applied some bias that favored Trump.

It is also true this is the only card Democrats have left; their baseless collusion claim was not confirmed, but it is still true and failure to release the full report (Pelosi wants everything used to draft it too) just shows they (Republicans) are concealing evidence of collusion.

Release the report, omit Grand Jury proceedings and redact the names of agents.
 
Idiometer said:
Me, too. Now I need to see it. What do you think our chances are of that?[/

I have no doubt there will be some redactions which is to be expected. Most experts agree that some of it will indeed be redacted for national security reasons. But, I am hopeful that the majority will be released and we as a nation can try to move on and take on some of the major issues facing our Country.
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I still find it unlikely that "No Collusion!" was the only time Donald Trump told the truth.
 
Anthony60 said:
Why? There's classified information, secret Grand Jury testimony, people whos identities need to be kept secret, etc... Giving it to Congress will expose all that. That's why it doesn't go through them, besides the fact that the SC reports to the AG, not Congress.
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What's classified about some billionaire who has laundered money along with his lawyer and an ousted Ukrainian Russian puppet? What's classified about Hush Money paid to a porn star and a tabloid to quiet sexual favors? What's classified about secret meetings with Russians that were repeatedly lied about? What's classified about the firing of anybody who knew about the Russian connections?
 
Media_Truth said:
What's classified about some billionaire who has laundered money along with his lawyer and an ousted Ukrainian Russian puppet? What's classified about Hush Money paid to a porn star and a tabloid to quiet sexual favors? What's classified about secret meetings with Russians that were repeatedly lied about? What's classified about the firing of anybody who knew about the Russian connections?
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Sorry, I'm not the person that decides if it's classified or not. But you still have the issue of secret Grand Jury testimony, where people are compelled to testify, with no representation or any opportunity to defend themselves. And then there is sources and methods. So, you see why it can't be released, right?

Well, most of the Watergate report was sealed for over 40 years, so it may eventually come out. Just don't hold your breath.
 
holbritter said:
It will be nearly impossible to release the full report to the public without being redacted due to classified information and confidential procedures. Those waiting for that will be disappointed and a redacted report will not satisfy everyone.
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Obviously. But we need to see the report, not Barr's opinion.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Was it not clear that Mueller said maybe but maybe not on obstruction - from a prosecutorial standpoint that establishes reasonable doubt. Without evidence which should eliminate that reasonable doubt then there is no point in indictment and taking a (weak?) case to court.
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No disagreement there.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Barr argues the Constitution gives the president the authority to enforce the laws of the country. A such, the president had the authority to weigh in on prosecutorial and investigative decisions.
Barr points out that if he doesn't have that authority, then neither do junior officers within the Justice Dept. Which makes it impossible to direct and supervise.
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I'm not sure I buy it, but it is an interesting argument I will admit.

But if that were the case, then it would mean no law officer could be investigated by anyone below their rank; which seems insane to me.
 
Idiometer said:
One of the documents that is undoubtedly part of the whole report would be the written questions and answers between Mueller and Trump. THAT needs to be made public ASAP, and no one is even talking about it.

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I'm not sure it's being ignored; I see it as part of the report.
 
apdst said:
1. He was conducting an investigation.

2. The investigation didn't find evidence of obstruction.

3. Case closed.

That's how that works, here in our republic.
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Yeah - how's that working for Hillary??

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