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Mueller got some answers, but he's not done with Trump

SO…you think misdirection is in order with the above. :roll:

How do you explain guilty pleas from 32 people and three companies so far?:2wave:
First of all you are way wrong on the 32 guilty pleas.

How many on collusion again? None you say? How many for anything at all associated with their dealing with Trump? Zero.

But you deflect. Doesn't matter, however. Trump will get around to having criminal investigations for the criminal activities already exhibited by above referenced.

Not to worry... but I am sure "we" will all be shocked when it happens. Yano?
 

How many on collusion again? None you say? How many for anything at all associated with their dealing with Trump? Zero.


Waiting for the PERP walk outta the oval office.:thumbs:
 

Do you think maybe some of the anti-Trump views are causing the otherwise reasonable to lose their minds? Seriously.

1. Trump has been dealing with Mueller for two years. At what point do reasonable people start thinking Trump ISNT going to pull the plug on the investigation? Seriously. What has he done to block the investigation? Screaming and yelling about it doesnt count.

2. Oversite-- just because Congress says "A", doesnt mean the executive meekly goes along with it. People had no problem with the Trump Admin resisting the Nunes oversite, after all.

3. Which is bunk. The funny thing here is that an assault is being made again the American politicsl system while simultaneausly fretting about a theoretical assault by the Trump admin.

4. I am more aware of Democrats worried about Bush 43 or Trump breaking term limits (how this would occur is never quite explained) than the GOP over the same with respect to Obama.
 
I want to know how Mueller can run such a big operation and tiptoe around Clinton crimes as if they never existed.
What an utterly moronic statement, but not surprising coming from you. Can you point out where in Mueller's mandate does even the name Clinton appear?
 
What an utterly moronic statement, but not surprising coming from you. Can you point out where in Mueller's mandate does even the name Clinton appear?
Same paragraph that mentions Manafort's tax evasion. :lamo
 
I bet you thought that you were making a clever replay, you only managed to demonstrate stupidity and partisan hackery.
Oh, ouch, you really got me that time.
 

Notwithstanding...the point is salient.
 
Your thumbs up guy is already blue in the face...

Not a viable come back, and...I wouldn't make him hold his breath for too much longer. :lamo:lamo:lamo


How many on collusion again? None you say? How many for anything at all associated with their dealing with Trump?

Where did I say something about collusion? I am on the obstruction of justice side of the fence. Do you consider ASKING AND ANSWERING YOUR OWN QUESTION proper debate form? :2wave:
 
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Good points,

However, my position is still that he is not a dictator. I agree that he might be if given an opportunity (who would not), but even then I think he may willingly fall short of becoming one.

The way I see it from here (an ocean away), is that Trump is an outstanding media manipulator. He bluntly provokes the US media (e.g., humiliating them with "fake news" claims), so as to have them portray him in negative light, which is exactly as he wants to be seen by his voters (and the electoral college). This then gives him grounds to give himself some leeway to do the right thing, which is of course following the US long term strategic global interests.
 

I am taking the GOP's survival instinct into account. The GOP didn't turn on Nixon until years after Watergate and the recorded tapes. That's what it took. Before this, they were more than willing to pretend for the Party. When Nixon got the word that the GOP was not going to save him, he resigned. They will do the same for Trump today.

But Trump is merely a symptom. He came to represent what right-wing media and conservative interest groups had been creating for a couple decades. This was understood among political scientists and historians long before 2016 shocked even the GOP. Going back to well before the "birther" crap and the official creation of the "Party of No" in 2008, Gingrich pushed and led the GOP down this path throughout Clinton's years. The result of practicing extreme politics throughout Obama's years saw conservatives increasingly embrace a culture of irrationality as an ideology.

This is why when a military-dodging, adulterer, silver-spooned elitist (who helped create the swamp) came along and pushed tp represent every single bitter and hate-filled theme that conservatives had been bombarded with for years, they easily abandoned what used to define them in order to offer blind loyalty along side supremacists and Nazi-wannabes. Many, after witnessing failed ideologies without answers, wiped their slates clean. NeoCon theories not work out? Trickle-Down, with the associated creation of the 1%, a bust? Global Warming not a hoax?

They essentially created a cult where a demagogue instructed them to abandon all sense of morality and standards and they gave him 14 million votes in the Republican Primaries for it. And when the GOP practically begged conservatives not to vote for this disaster of a human being, they were dubbed as "rinos." And now, the GOP is stuck with the reality that if they do not tow a hardened irrational line along side Trump, they will be out of a job as another extremist takes his place. They created a mob, based on Groupthink, that exists on hatred, revisionism, and ignorance in order to feel like "winners."

The GOP won't do anything drastic to upset the mob unless the sin is so great that even his base shakes.
 

I hate to be that pessimitstic but you may be right. I hear some say when Trump's gone this will be over, that I don't believe. We'll be dealing with Trump'
s irrational base for years, and it won't be good.
 
Sorry liberals, but yes Republicans do require clear cut evidence of a crime, we know that gets in liberals way but it’s how this stuff works.


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You may want to remind yourself that it was Republicans who spent eight years investigating Clinton every time he sneezed and that it was Republicans who last used the impeachment process over a technicality. You may also want to remind yourself that it was Republicans who pushed and pushed the "birther" nonsense and fantasies of Benghazi. While you are at it, remind yourself how easily you people fell for the idea that millions of illegals voted in 2016.

You people have proven quite clearly that you require no facts and no evidence. You only need a FOX News personality and a Donald Trump. The idea that Republicans get to hold the illusion of a moral high ground over anybody anymore is very laughable. Do yourself a favor, since being a partisan stooge requires one to be a total hypocrite, be your own person.
 
I hate to be that pessimitstic but you may be right. I hear some say when Trump's gone this will be over, that I don't believe. We'll be dealing with Trump'
s irrational base for years, and it won't be good.

AGH! I meant..."The GOP didn't turn on Nixon until years later, after Watergate and the recorded tapes.

I do believe that as long as Trump exists, conservatives will continue to offer allegiance at all costs. Far too many have attached their souls to his existence as POTUS. Have you noticed that the longer he stays in Office the nastier many of them are getting? It's because they now that he deserved so much of the criticism that he gets, which reflects on what they have been personally supporting. Thus, a criticism towards Trump may as well be a personal criticism on them. This is why they are routinely trying to re-write long-gone history and even recent history in order to validate their loyalty.

It will get better after Trump is tossed in 2020, because conservatives will feel that they no longer "owe" allegiance to this theme. Of course, then they wil re-write history again and pretend that they never "really" liked Trump.
 
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Where did I say something about collusion? I am on the obstruction of justice side of the fence. Do you consider ASKING AND ANSWERING YOUR OWN QUESTION proper debate form? :2wave:
Answering an accusation of an impossibility would have been silly. Who could have any idea you were pushing something that idiotic?
 

Yeah that was just weird with Bush, I mean they LOVED that guy till that last year or two, then all of a sudden things fell away andf then it was as if no conservative ever liked Bush, they absolutely deserted the guy support wise, **** talked him for the stimulus and everything else. Six yeaars of Bush Cheney love fest, two years of cool down, then it was as if nobody had ever supported the guy, it was sort of surreal. I expect you're right, all these guys will pretend they never supported the guy or at best tolerated them. Conservatives are better at sticking together through minor differences, and they're also better at eatin their own when they've outlived their usefulness.
 
Answering an accusation of an impossibility would have been silly. Who could have any idea you were pushing something that idiotic?

Your TRump felation skills make all your post a ridiculous and preposterous irrelevancy anyway.:lamo

We know YOU don't see that, but most of us do, very clearly in fact....:2rofll::cheers:
 
I want to know how Mueller can run such a big operation and tiptoe around Clinton crimes as if they never existed.

“B...b..but what about HILLARY!”
 
Your TRump felation skills make all your post a ridiculous and preposterous irrelevancy anyway.:lamo

We know YOU don't see that, but most of us do, very clearly in fact....:2rofll::cheers:
That you cannot EVEN find a valid point to argue presupposes you dont have one. The fact that you quickly devolve to ad hom shows you also are wholly unable to debate as well.

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That you cannot EVEN find a valid point to argue presupposes you dont have one. The fact that you quickly devolve to ad hom shows you also are wholly unable to debate as well.

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What's to debate? You're convinced Trump is competent, and all you do is felate him, enjoy I guess....

The rest of us see the reality here, any "success" of the dumpsterfire of an administration has been in spite of your orange buffoon not because of him, he's nothing more than a failed businessman, born on third base thinking he'd scored a fiel goal, propped up by daddy's money or bailed out by Russians or whoever, nothing but a smily glad hands and you've completely fallen for it. No, there's no debating that, it's a special kind of stupid. You basically worship a flim flam man and aren't even aware of it, why would I wanna debate that? I just come here to scoff at your wealth of ignorance, it's mildly entertaining at a slow moment in my day.:mrgreen:

What is really hilarious is how you guys see him as a tough guy and IRL, he doesn't even have the balls to fire people, has Kelly do it, and you guys revere him, your worship of him is a joke that would be hilarious if it wasn'st so dangerous, it why we come here to gawk in disbelief at his "base".
 
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We at least agree on the one main point then, you never established a valid point.

Your unreasoning hatred is noted. You have no arguments, have to fool yourself into believing that the slouching economy of slenderman just somehow unaccountably materialized anew, raging and on fire under Trump leadership. Hell, slenderman said he was managing US decline... there were to be no more great days for America.

Your mixed metaphors are hard to follow, btw, might wanna work on that.

It's not that there is no debating that, it's more that YOU cannot debate it with anything like an understanding of what is really going on.

Personally, I don't worship anybody, but your projection of what you do onto me is a common lefty trait... we are used to it here.
How was that slimy slenderman, btw? Or the fat lady and her husband, Hillbillary, how did you like them crooks, eh?
 

I took a long break from this site starting around 2011-ish, coming back in late 2017. I learned something when returning:

Bush made the bold argument about WMD in Iraq and the poorly-made argument about the need for democracy in the region. Most Conservatives blindly supported both. In 2005, I began arguing (and still do) that common sense and late-1990s targeting missions in Iraq show that it could not have ever really been about WMD. It was very much about, not only ridding ourselves of the UN mission in Iraq (in which Bin Laden exploited) but, a good place to re-direct the region towards democracy, which is a political ideology that has historically proven to deny religious fanaticism room to breathe. Bush failed to really make this argument and favored the WMD scare instead...but he did speak of a regional need to change. Conservatives absolutely loved my posts (though I gave absolutely no love to Rumsfeld). But I did not realize then that the only thing they loved was that I railed against liberals who refused to see the wider issues in the region. Their support for Bush, no matter what, was entirely partisan. They really didn't care where the military deployed or who was doing the killing and dying, only that Bush was a Republican. Evidence:

- They embraced McCain's foolish "can't set a date" and paraded around his Veteran status against the black community-worker who was born in Africa and loves Islam.

- They immediately turned on the NeoCon concept as soon as Obama was elected and pushed all blame on Obama for "pulling us out too soon." Liberals made the shallow I-told-you-so argument as groups like IS rose out of the long-existing issue, and Conservatives lacked the ability to defend because they clearly lacked the understanding of what they had actually supported.

- They then fell silent on Trickle-Down economics as they watched Bush and Obama bail out banks (which froze lending anyway and then began seizing homes and small businesses for the planned scheme) and corporations (which fired everybody anyway and began rewarding CEOs). Today, they actually refrain from the term while still applauding the failed concept.

- They chose to dismiss Global Warming as a hoax, simply because Gore was a Democrat and a Democrat President was at the helm when the world decided to start caring about it.

- As the Arab Spring began to consume almost twenty Arab countries in 2011, the world watched the regional masses protest for democracy and socioeconomic justice (the exact regional thing Bush argued for in 2002 over Iraq). American Conservatives chose to simply declare Obama a warmonger for assisting Libya from the sky, as opposed to dropping hundreds of thousands of American troops into Iraq.

- And of course, in 2016, a silver-spooned elitist who went well out of his way to avoid military service as McCain was a POW in Vietnam, conservatives gave him 14 million votes after he denigrated American POWs. Now, they simply altar the narrative and tell everybody that they always hated McCain and that he is like all the other "rinos" who prevent them from feeling good about themselves.

So, in the end, I learned that when people experience a multiple of their ideologies fail so rapidly, while consistently choosing to oppose the other side for no real reason at all, that they leave themselves with largely nothing to stand for. Now they look at a ***** grabbing adulterer, who solicits sexual favor from Playboy Bunnies and porn stars, who actually helped create the swamp that they declared needs draining, who has consistently stripped American influence in practically every region on earth, and they almost enthusiastically shrug as an irrational collective. I have no idea what they stand for anymore because they are too busy denying their own recent histories and seeking to re-write distant history in order to rebrand world events in a way that makes them the ever-enduring victim of "the left."
 
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