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Mueller got some answers, but he's not done with Trump

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Kinda looks like things are shaping to get this incompetent wanna be dictator out to resign or be impeached.:2wave:

<President Donald Trump on Tuesday finally submitted a set of written responses to Robert Mueller, signaling that he was done for good with the special counsel's questions.>

<But Mueller is far from done with him.>
<The special counsel still wants to question the president over his actions while in the White House — Tuesday's answers only covered Russian hacking during the 2016 election. It's a fight that could result in a historic subpoena and eventual Supreme Court ruling, pulling a defiant Trump into a legal squabble that could set groundbreaking precedent for presidential investigations for years to come. Depending on how the battle plays out, House Democrats may even try to pounce and launch impeachment proceedings.>

<Things could get explosive fast. Next comes the perilous round of negotiations between Trump’s lawyers and Mueller’s prosecutors covering topics like Trump's intentions when firing FBI Director James Comey in May 2017. That line of questioning — which Trump says he shouldn't have to answer — is tied to Mueller's ongoing obstruction of justice investigation.>


<Should the special counsel win DOJ approval and pull the subpoena trigger, he’d still have to face off against a president who has relished taunting Mueller and enter into a legal battle that could quickly elevate to the Supreme Court, where a newly enmeshed conservative majority is widely seen as friendlier to Trump’s arguments.>
<Round Two of Mueller versus Trump could also fizzle, though.>
<Legal experts say that the special counsel might have enough information from documents, presidential tweets and witnesses to wrap up the obstruction of justice portion of his investigation and file a report to his DOJ supervisors — all without forcing a court showdown just to nail down an interview with the president.>
<“My hunch, at least at this time, [is that] the special counsel doesn't need the president's testimony and that he has provided the president with the opportunity to testify simply so that the president does not later complain about the special counsel's further prosecutorial actions or the conclusions of his report when it is made public in one fashion or another,” said Jack Quinn, the former White House counsel under President Bill Clinton.>
<For now, it’s unclear what path the dispute will take.>
<Mueller on Tuesday stuck to the same no-comment posture he’s had throughout the 18-monthlong Russia investigation, refusing to show any of his cards in public beyond what’s required in legal filings.>


<President Ronald Reagan, for example, delivered written answers in 1987 to the Iran-Contra investigators. Three years later, prosecutors relied on the submissions to cross-examine the former Republican president when he appeared as a witness during a trial of his former national security adviser, John Poindexter.>
<In Clinton’s case, one of the four articles of impeachment adopted in December 1998 by the GOP-led House Judiciary Committee accused the Democrat of “willfully” committing perjury and giving “false and misleading testimony” in writing as part of a federal civil rights lawsuit.>
<That specific article was later rejected on the House floor, though Clinton was nonetheless impeached on two other counts.>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...hes-not-done-with-trump/ar-BBPVnx0?li=BBnb7Kz

 

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Kinda looks like things are shaping to get this incompetent wanna be dictator out to resign or be impeached.:2wave:

[FONT=&]<President Donald Trump on Tuesday finally submitted a set of written responses to Robert Mueller, signaling that he was done for good with the special counsel's questions.>[/FONT]

[FONT=&]<But Mueller is far from done with him.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<The special counsel still wants to question the president over his actions while in the White House — Tuesday's answers only covered Russian hacking during the 2016 election. It's a fight that could result in a historic subpoena and eventual Supreme Court ruling, pulling a defiant Trump into a legal squabble that could set groundbreaking precedent for presidential investigations for years to come. Depending on how the battle plays out, House Democrats may even try to pounce and launch impeachment proceedings.>

<Things could get explosive fast. Next comes the perilous round of negotiations between Trump’s lawyers and Mueller’s prosecutors covering topics like Trump's intentions when firing FBI Director James Comey in May 2017. That line of questioning — which Trump says he shouldn't have to answer — is tied to Mueller's ongoing obstruction of justice investigation.>

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[FONT=&]<Should the special counsel win DOJ approval and pull the subpoena trigger, he’d still have to face off against a president who has relished taunting Mueller and enter into a legal battle that could quickly elevate to the Supreme Court, where a newly enmeshed conservative majority is widely seen as friendlier to Trump’s arguments.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<Round Two of Mueller versus Trump could also fizzle, though.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<Legal experts say that the special counsel might have enough information from documents, presidential tweets and witnesses to wrap up the obstruction of justice portion of his investigation and file a report to his DOJ supervisors — all without forcing a court showdown just to nail down an interview with the president.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<“My hunch, at least at this time, [is that] the special counsel doesn't need the president's testimony and that he has provided the president with the opportunity to testify simply so that the president does not later complain about the special counsel's further prosecutorial actions or the conclusions of his report when it is made public in one fashion or another,” said Jack Quinn, the former White House counsel under President Bill Clinton.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<For now, it’s unclear what path the dispute will take.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<Mueller on Tuesday stuck to the same no-comment posture he’s had throughout the 18-monthlong Russia investigation, refusing to show any of his cards in public beyond what’s required in legal filings.>

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[FONT=&]<President Ronald Reagan, for example, delivered written answers in 1987 to the Iran-Contra investigators. Three years later, prosecutors relied on the submissions to cross-examine the former Republican president when he appeared as a witness during a trial of his former national security adviser, John Poindexter.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<In Clinton’s case, one of the four articles of impeachment adopted in December 1998 by the GOP-led House Judiciary Committee accused the Democrat of “willfully” committing perjury and giving “false and misleading testimony” in writing as part of a federal civil rights lawsuit.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<That specific article was later rejected on the House floor, though Clinton was nonetheless impeached on two other counts.>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...hes-not-done-with-trump/ar-BBPVnx0?li=BBnb7Kz

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Not a wannabe dictator, though that's besides the point.

I don't see any indication that Trump should be impeached, or made to resign at this moment. We've seen predictions about so many things around Trump since even before the election finished and even the prediction that he was going to lose was a complete farce.

I'm going to wait and se how things evolve before I make a decision on all of this.
 

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Not a wannabe dictator, though that's besides the point.

I don't see any indication that Trump should be impeached, or made to resign at this moment. We've seen predictions about so many things around Trump since even before the election finished and even the prediction that he was going to lose was a complete farce.

I'm going to wait and se how things evolve before I make a decision on all of this.

I want to know how Mueller can run such a big operation and tiptoe around Clinton crimes as if they never existed.
 

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Not a wannabe dictator, though that's besides the point.

I don't see any indication that Trump should be impeached, or made to resign at this moment. We've seen predictions about so many things around Trump since even before the election finished and even the prediction that he was going to lose was a complete farce.

I'm going to wait and se how things evolve before I make a decision on all of this.

I don't see any indication that Trump should be impeached, or made to resign at this moment

For starters Obstruction of Justice. With the installation of Matthew Whitaker as the Acting United States Attorney General.:2wave:
 

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I want to know how Mueller can run such a big operation and tiptoe around Clinton crimes as if they never existed.

That's easy....Mueller wasn't mandated to investigate Clinton.
 

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For starters Obstruction of Justice. With the installation of Matthew Whitaker as the Acting United States Attorney General.:2wave:
Who has done absolutely NONE of the horrible things you guys whipped yourself up about.
 

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Who has done absolutely NONE of the horrible things you guys whipped yourself up about.

You're saying your beloved president didn't comment the unlawful act of interfering with the administration or process of law in a criminal or civil matter with the firing of Comey? How about the installation of a stooge/ears in the justice department?:2wave:
 

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I want to know how Mueller can run such a big operation and tiptoe around Clinton crimes as if they never existed.

Because they don't want Clinton, they want Trump. If they want her, which they never will, it would be rather easy for them to throw something at her. But they are currently busy digging through every available dumpster to find dirt on Trump, even though this whole investigation will most likely lead nowhere against him.

That is unless they completely change the scope of what they are trying to pin on him.
 

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For starters Obstruction of Justice. With the installation of Matthew Whitaker as the Acting United States Attorney General.:2wave:

Not an obstruction.

Try again.
 

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For starters Obstruction of Justice. With the installation of Matthew Whitaker as the Acting United States Attorney General.:2wave:

I agree

Mueller has an abundance of evedince for a slam dunk case of obstruction.
 

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Not a wannabe dictator, though that's besides the point.

I don't see any indication that Trump should be impeached, or made to resign at this moment. We've seen predictions about so many things around Trump since even before the election finished and even the prediction that he was going to lose was a complete farce.

I'm going to wait and se how things evolve before I make a decision on all of this.

Mueller's mandate is going to be an issue here. He was assigned to investigate Russian Interference in the 2016 election (and crimes arising during the course of his investigation). Going on a fishing expedition for events that occurred after the election would be WAY outside of that.
 

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You're saying your beloved president didn't comment the unlawful act of interfering with the administration or process of law in a criminal or civil matter with the firing of Comey? How about the installation of a stooge/ears in the justice department?:2wave:

How many times do you folks have to have it proven to you that the President can fire anybody in the executive branch for any or no reason?

Even Comey under oath testified as specifically to such.
 

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<SNIP>

That specific article was later rejected on the House floor, though Clinton was nonetheless impeached on two other counts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...hes-not-done-with-trump/ar-BBPVnx0?li=BBnb7Kz

But Clinton's impeachment didn't matter because in the end, the impeachment process was reduced to a simple partisan tool over a technicality. This is why Democrats easily forgave him.

- Impeachment was bipartisan with Andrew Johnson, who deserved it. (Democrats forgave him, but reduced Johnson's effectiveness).

- Impeachment was going to be bipartisan when it came to Nixon, who deserved it. (Republicans would not have forgiven him, so he resigned).

If they impeach Trump, he has to not only deserve it but, there has to be the kind of evidence of a crime or an absolute betrayal in order to pull Republicans into a discussion of what really matters - the country or Trump. Because as it stands right now, using impeachment as a partisan tool will only result in Senate forgiveness; and only an impeachment over clear-cut evidence of a clearly defined crime will satisfy some Republicans when it comes to placing the country above the Party.
 

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Kinda looks like things are shaping to get this incompetent wanna be dictator out to resign or be impeached.:2wave:

[FONT=&]<President Donald Trump on Tuesday finally submitted a set of written responses to Robert Mueller, signaling that he was done for good with the special counsel's questions.>[/FONT]

[FONT=&]<But Mueller is far from done with him.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<The special counsel still wants to question the president over his actions while in the White House — Tuesday's answers only covered Russian hacking during the 2016 election. It's a fight that could result in a historic subpoena and eventual Supreme Court ruling, pulling a defiant Trump into a legal squabble that could set groundbreaking precedent for presidential investigations for years to come. Depending on how the battle plays out, House Democrats may even try to pounce and launch impeachment proceedings.>

<Things could get explosive fast. Next comes the perilous round of negotiations between Trump’s lawyers and Mueller’s prosecutors covering topics like Trump's intentions when firing FBI Director James Comey in May 2017. That line of questioning — which Trump says he shouldn't have to answer — is tied to Mueller's ongoing obstruction of justice investigation.>

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]<Should the special counsel win DOJ approval and pull the subpoena trigger, he’d still have to face off against a president who has relished taunting Mueller and enter into a legal battle that could quickly elevate to the Supreme Court, where a newly enmeshed conservative majority is widely seen as friendlier to Trump’s arguments.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<Round Two of Mueller versus Trump could also fizzle, though.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<Legal experts say that the special counsel might have enough information from documents, presidential tweets and witnesses to wrap up the obstruction of justice portion of his investigation and file a report to his DOJ supervisors — all without forcing a court showdown just to nail down an interview with the president.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<“My hunch, at least at this time, [is that] the special counsel doesn't need the president's testimony and that he has provided the president with the opportunity to testify simply so that the president does not later complain about the special counsel's further prosecutorial actions or the conclusions of his report when it is made public in one fashion or another,” said Jack Quinn, the former White House counsel under President Bill Clinton.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<For now, it’s unclear what path the dispute will take.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<Mueller on Tuesday stuck to the same no-comment posture he’s had throughout the 18-monthlong Russia investigation, refusing to show any of his cards in public beyond what’s required in legal filings.>

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]<President Ronald Reagan, for example, delivered written answers in 1987 to the Iran-Contra investigators. Three years later, prosecutors relied on the submissions to cross-examine the former Republican president when he appeared as a witness during a trial of his former national security adviser, John Poindexter.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<In Clinton’s case, one of the four articles of impeachment adopted in December 1998 by the GOP-led House Judiciary Committee accused the Democrat of “willfully” committing perjury and giving “false and misleading testimony” in writing as part of a federal civil rights lawsuit.>[/FONT]
[FONT=&]<That specific article was later rejected on the House floor, though Clinton was nonetheless impeached on two other counts.>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...hes-not-done-with-trump/ar-BBPVnx0?li=BBnb7Kz

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The article is a BS opinion piece. It claims to know that Mueller is not done with Trump but this source literally has no idea what is going on in Mueller's mind.
 

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That's easy....Mueller wasn't mandated to investigate Clinton.

True, but he wasn't mandated to ignore crimes. That's why he has so many process crimes, and small fish. If he referred her, it would be into at atmosphere where it would be leaked. So either he's going to surprise us all with a "equal justice" thing, or we are well and truly over as a nation of laws.

Earlier in the century people grumbled and moved on. Today it's documented and even the dumbest high school kid knows there are laws for one group that don't apply to others.
 

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Mueller has managed to keep his investigation and progress completely confidential. So far it appears to be the best run investigation of this type in my lifetime.

He is an absolute professional if there wasn't something to investigate he would have closed it a long time ago.

I predict that when he finishes, we will learn that trump is one of the most corrupt Americans in history, and there will be so many charges brought against him that Republicans will have. O choice but to distance themselves from him and support impeachment...
 

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How many times do you folks have to have it proven to you that the President can fire anybody in the executive branch for any or no reason?

Even Comey under oath testified as specifically to such.

Plus, Rosenstein wrote the letter from the FBI "authorizing" Trump to fire him. (IOW, they agreed)

It's a shame we have a dishonest news media, or decent people would know this.
 

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Plus, Rosenstein wrote the letter from the FBI "authorizing" Trump to fire him. (IOW, they agreed)

It's a shame we have a dishonest news media, or decent people would know this.
It truly is a shame... but at least they have now self identified as to which side they are actually on.

For decades they made out like we were crazy thinking anything other than the MSM was calling it straight down the middle.
 

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But he was MANDATED to investigate Russian collusion. And the ONLY evidence that has so far come to light is that associated with the fat lady and the DNC initiatives.

Aside from nearly everyone on Trump's campaign having ties to Russia....this case ain't over until the fat orange man sings.
 

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True, but he wasn't mandated to ignore crimes. That's why he has so many process crimes, and small fish. If he referred her, it would be into at atmosphere where it would be leaked. So either he's going to surprise us all with a "equal justice" thing, or we are well and truly over as a nation of laws.

Earlier in the century people grumbled and moved on. Today it's documented and even the dumbest high school kid knows there are laws for one group that don't apply to others.

Does that apply to Ivanka Trump, too?
 

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I would think that Trump or anyone else actually questioned by Mueller should say nothing as is their right,
considering that all the people charged so far is based on their own testimony.
Had they said nothing, there would not be anything to charge.
 
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