Most Violent Nations.

[stevenb]

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online


It's interesting to see that the United States in crime per capita is not even close to some of these European nations.. where they don't have guns in mass like we do...

It's another to see that these countries have WAY more violent crime than we do.... And they talk **** about us... lol

Anti-gunners, what's your excuse now?

 

[Camlon]

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online


It's interesting to see that the United States in crime per capita is not even close to some of these European nations.. where they don't have guns in mass like we do...

It's another to see that these countries have WAY more violent crime than we do.... And they talk **** about us... lol

Anti-gunners, what's your excuse now?

Guns only contribute to homocides, and there you are at the top with 6 per 100 000 people. While Britain is at 1.49.

However, the reason why crime in the US is lower is due to immigration (Immigration contributes positivly to the US, while immigration to Britain doesn't) and that US is quite good at enforcing its laws.

 

[American]

You mean robberies are executed without guns?

 

[stevenb]

You mean robberies are executed without guns?

I think he's missed the fact that not everyone shot dies as well.

 

[Laila]

I blame Labour and **** parents who can't control and hit their child once in a while.

 

[rathi]

Why is burglary is included under violent crime? Most burglaries take place when the inhabitants are not at home, and thus no violence occurs at all. If the burglars discover people in the house, they almost always try and escape. Only the complete morons who try and break into an occupied house and are too stupid to run when discovered commit acts of violence during a burglary. It is not common enough to include burglary as a violent crime.

 

[Goshin]

Guns only contribute to homocides, and there you are at the top with 6 per 100 000 people. While Britain is at 1.49.

However, the reason why crime in the US is lower is due to immigration (Immigration contributes positivly to the US, while immigration to Britain doesn't) and that US is quite good at enforcing its laws.

I think there are two reasons why general violent crime is lower in America:

1. Armed citizens who will defend themselves.

2. Lack of toleranace for public drunkenness in most areas.

That was actually the theory of a British writer, who visited America and was astonished "at how peaceful and safe it was." I think he was dead on.


G.

 

[Bootsavich]

Guns only contribute to homocides, and there you are at the top with 6 per 100 000 people. While Britain is at 1.49.

However, the reason why crime in the US is lower is due to immigration (Immigration contributes positivly to the US, while immigration to Britain doesn't) and that US is quite good at enforcing its laws.

Can you more clearly define the "good" vs. "bad" status as far as immigration goes? My personal experience has shown me that the neighborhoods filled with the most immigrants in CA tend also to be the ones with higher crime rates(which can of course be linked to high poverty rates, but I think it's fair to use transitive cause and effect to connect the two).

And as has been stated, guns contribute to far more than homicides... just as other things than guns contribute to homicides.

 

[Coronado]

Why is burglary is included under violent crime? Most burglaries take place when the inhabitants are not at home, and thus no violence occurs at all. If the burglars discover people in the house, they almost always try and escape. Only the complete morons who try and break into an occupied house and are too stupid to run when discovered commit acts of violence during a burglary. It is not common enough to include burglary as a violent crime.

Burglary is simply breaking and entering with the intent to commit a felony. It doesn't necessarily always involve theft.

 

[Gibberish]

You mean robberies are executed without guns?

Robberies can occur without a gun and most probably do or are executed where the gun being present is irrelevant.

I would wonder how many homicides in the article are without the use of a gun.

 

[Gibberish]

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online


It's interesting to see that the United States in crime per capita is not even close to some of these European nations.. where they don't have guns in mass like we do...

It's another to see that these countries have WAY more violent crime than we do.... And they talk **** about us... lol

Anti-gunners, what's your excuse now?

Why would anti-guners need an excuse? You haven't proven that gun laws are the cause of the higher crime rates.

 

[Bootsavich]

Robberies can occur without a gun and most probably do or are executed where the gun being present is irrelevant.

I would wonder how many homicides in the article are without the use of a gun.

The gun being irrelevant? I'm sorry, but if I was being robbed at gunpoint, that gun would be very relevant to me. As would would a knife or any other weapon, for that matter.

 

[stevenb]

Why would anti-guners need an excuse? You haven't proven that gun laws are the cause of the higher crime rates.

Simply pointing out the inconsistencies in the United State's Anti-Gunners who believe that getting rid of our guns or strictly regulating them into non-existence will make us safer. :roll:

 

[Gibberish]

The gun being irrelevant? I'm sorry, but if I was being robbed at gunpoint, that gun would be very relevant to me. As would would a knife or any other weapon, for that matter.

Where does it say the robberies happen at gun point?

 

[Gibberish]

Simply pointing out the inconsistencies in the United State's Anti-Gunners who believe that getting rid of our guns or strictly regulating them into non-existence will make us safer. :roll:

I find the logic that high violent crimes being the result of gun laws just as ludicrous. Crime will exist with or without gun laws.

 

[Bootsavich]

Robberies can occur without a gun and most probably do or are executed where the gun being present is irrelevant.

In order for "the gun being present" to be irrelevant, the gun must be present. Are you insinuating that it is a common practice for robbers to commit a robbery while armed, yet not make use of the gun? That's like bringing your fishing pole to the creek only to try and grab trout with your bare hands.

 

[Gibberish]

In order for "the gun being present" to be irrelevant, the gun must be present. Are you insinuating that it is a common practice for robbers to commit a robbery while armed, yet not make use of the gun? That's like bringing your fishing pole to the creek only to try and grab trout with your bare hands.

No it's nothing like fishing. The gun is only there in case of confrontation. If the robber successfully robs a house, store, etc. without confronting anyone then there is no use for the gun.

 

[Camlon]

You mean robberies are executed without guns?

Absolutly. Most robberies, at least in Europe is done without guns. Normally they will steal when you're out. Robberies on the street is normally done with a knife and a gang of 3-4 guys.

I think he's missed the fact that not everyone shot dies as well.

No, this doesn't matter. If no guns means 1 homocides per 100K and guns means 11 people who get shot per 100K, but only 1 of 2 sides. Then there will be 6 homocides per 100K.

I think there are two reasons why general violent crime is lower in America:

1. Armed citizens who will defend themselves.

2. Lack of toleranace for public drunkenness in most areas.

That was actually the theory of a British writer, who visited America and was astonished "at how peaceful and safe it was." I think he was dead on.

G.

Actually, I think you're correct that these factors will help as well, but I still believe that immigration and enforcing the laws help as well.

Can you more clearly define the "good" vs. "bad" status as far as immigration goes? My personal experience has shown me that the neighborhoods filled with the most immigrants in CA tend also to be the ones with higher crime rates(which can of course be linked to high poverty rates, but I think it's fair to use transitive cause and effect to connect the two).

And as has been stated, guns contribute to far more than homicides... just as other things than guns contribute to homicides.

It's only homocides who will be affected to a large degree.

I have read an economic article which stated that economically US has benefited from immigration, while Europe haven't. From my personal experience, it was mostly poor black people who caused most of the crime, hence americans.

 

[Bootsavich]

No it's nothing like fishing. The gun is only there in case of confrontation. If the robber successfully robs a house, store, etc. without confronting anyone then there is no use for the gun.

Robbery involves some sort of violence or intimidation, and must be conducted in the presence of the property's owner in order to be considered a robbery. Larceny or general theft may be what you are referring to.

If I am being robbed, then there must be some sort of violence or intimidation against me. If someone approached me with a gun holstered out of view to me and attempted to rob me, the gun would still be relevant, even if it is only pulled after I confront him.

Keeping a gun holstered and out of view is of little sense to a would be robber- whose success will largely depend on how quickly s/he can commit the crime and flee. Having a gun and not using it would not be beneficial to them, as it not only puts them at risk of being caught by an armed citizen, it also increases the likelihood of a victim fleeing or attempting to get help.

Camlon- I'm geuinely interested in that article, if you still have access to it. I've heard multiple takes on the issue and it would be good to get another viewpoint- especially a comparative one.

 

[Camlon]

Camlon- I'm geuinely interested in that article, if you still have access to it. I've heard multiple takes on the issue and it would be good to get another viewpoint- especially a comparative one.

Well, the article I got it from was this one from page 33. Volume 1 • 2003

Jan Ekberg mostly compares Sweden with the United States. Actually most of the time he talks about Sweden. However, immigration in most European countries have similar consequences and therefore immigration has affected Europe negatively.

 

[Bootsavich]

Awesome, thanks.

 

[Slainte]

Typical lazy, sensationalist rubbish from the Mail. I think some people missed the most relevant part of the article:

But Police Minister David Hanson said: 'These figures are misleading.
Levels of police recorded crime statistics from different countries are simply not comparable since they are affected by many factors, for example the recording of violent crime in other countries may not include behaviour that we would categorise as violent crime.

For example in Canada, and also the US I believe, threatening people is not considered a violent crime, it is in Britain. All reported threats of violence are reported as violent crime here. These comparisons are just a lazy way to launch a "law and order" attack on the government. Unfortunately from the look of this thread, too many people fall for this rubbish!

"More violent than South Africa" give me a break!

 

[stevenb]

I find the logic that high violent crimes being the result of gun laws just as ludicrous. Crime will exist with or without gun laws.

Didn't say they were the cause of.

Merely complementing about the fact that when you disarm the law abiding citizen, you only open him up to these types of people...

 

[Picaro]

Didn't say they were the cause of.

Merely complementing about the fact that when you disarm the law abiding citizen, you only open him up to these types of people...

That is most definitely the case here in the U.S. It would be less true for many European states, in varying degrees.

 

[Camlon]

Didn't say they were the cause of.

Merely complementing about the fact that when you disarm the law abiding citizen, you only open him up to these types of people...

I would say that it doesn't really matter. In the US they do the robberies with guns, while in Europe they do them with knifes. The only thing guns really change is the homicide rate.

Other factors are much more important. Especially important is a strong police force, because if a thief knows that he has a large chance of getting caught, then he won't be stealing. That's why Singapore has a very low crime rate, because if you keep stealing you will eventually get caught. However, many countries in Europe is a paradise for thiefs.