Most Americans see Trump's MAGA as threat to democracy: Reuters/Ipsos poll

[soap box]

you're not answering I just already know the answer because I know the source of your opinion.
you have to do this without interfering with my right or ability to obtain one at all. Otherwise you're punishing me for the crimes of psycho teenagers that's unacceptable that's authoritarianism

Red flag was should be overruled by the court as unconstitutional because they are. You cannot suspend it people's rights without due process of law.

I'm not answering because your definition of authoritarian is backwards and your premises are biased.

 

[CLAX1911]

You're not a troubled teenager and I wouldn't want any interference to your right or ability.

so you support removing all federal laws regarding firearms right. Because those laws interfere with my right and ability

For wacko teens with social media predictive posts they don't need high fire power arms.

what's "high fire power arms?". I've never heard that phrase before.

What if the law accorded due process? Could you accept it then?

then there would be no need for red flag laws because once you've been adjudicated or had your due process for felonies or even certain misdemeanors you're prohibited from owning firearms.

That law already exists.

 

[DCCougar]

So? BLM is a symbol of violence and racism to me....

Well, that's being pretty blatant about it. You realize, I hope, that the entire reason for BLM to exist was to complain about the overabundance of police violence against Black Lives.

 

[CLAX1911]

I'm not answering because your definition of authoritarian is backwards and your premises are biased.

According to an authoritarian sure but you're trying to gaslight others are even perhaps yourself.

 

[CLAX1911]

Well, that's being pretty blatant about it. You realize, I hope, that the entire reason for BLM to exist was to complain about the overabundance of police violence against Black Lives.

If you believe this crap you have been manipulated. The events leading up to Black lives matter existing was Ferguson the police officer was absolutely justified in shooting Brown and the trayvon Martin incident and that wasn't even involving police but the person that John travon Martin was absolutely justified. There was even a show trial to make this clear to you if you don't accept it your beef is with Justice in general.

BLM is a hate group.

 

[DCCougar]

That is trolling and baiting and not worthy of a response

My post certainly had no such intent. It was my direct response to your utterly laughable allegation that "liberalism" is

"a threat to national security by destroying what made this country great, incentive, personal responsibility, risk taking, hard work and consequences for poor personal choices..."

That's pure crap, Mr. Conservative. You don't think that's "trolling the libs"?

 

[Conservative]

It actually does because there's data to back it up. Apparently now verifiable data doesn't matter.

No, the data doesn't give a valid reason for people not going to the polls when it is so easy with early voting, election day and official absentee ballots. IF people aren't willing to take the time to go to the polls for their vote then they aren't serious about the process and do indeed cheapen the process. I asked for a valid reason and you just posted statewide results, that says what is happening but it doesn't give the reason for them not going to the polls. Making it easy is nothing more than liberal entitlement rhetoric. Democracies aren't easy so if you don't care enough to cast your ballot in person you don't really care about the outcome.

Research shows that people who didn't go to the polls voted mostly against Trump and not for Biden and gave you the link showing just that. Far too many people don't take the process seriously and making it easier is the problem as if it wasn't easy enough.

 

[Conservative]

My post certainly had no such intent. It was my direct response to your utterly laughable allegation that "liberalism" is

That's pure crap, Mr. Conservative. You don't think that's "trolling the libs"?

My post certainly had no such intent. It was my direct response to your utterly laughable allegation that "liberalism" is

That's pure crap, Mr. Conservative. You don't think that's "trolling the libs"?

When you say the same thing over and over again never addressing the issue or providing any thing to support your claim that is indeed trolling and your rhetoric is nothing more than typical liberal hate rhetoric never offering anything constructive

 

[Conservative]

Trump organized a violent coup and is being investigated by the DOJ. Trump stole secret documents from the US government. Could these be reasons Trump is in the news?

So if he is prosecuted and locked up will that cure your TDS and make your life better?

 

[Conservative]

I accept your surrender.

Using the word racist, racist white man, plantation owning racists and their decedents has no place in this forum and tells me all I need to know about you. You think only white men can be racists? You don't think BLM is racist? I posted official data showing unemployment rates for African Americans and Hispanics which shows how racist Trump policies are and how ignorant the radical left really is.

 

[TomFitz]

Yeah. Did even ONE of these leftwing posters question why the FBI went after Trump and everyone on his team and why they wanted to eliminate him in 2016, or why Thibault hid the Hunter laptop, or why others in the FBI put out a false story about Russian disinformation? Are those provable deeds unconstitutional? I believe they are and amount to sedition. Yet, all we get from Wray is that he can't discuss personnel issues.

We don’t have to ask why the FBI began investigating trump and his henchmen.

We know. It’s right there in the Mueller Report.

 

[TomFitz]

So was Marshall law invoked?

The plot fell apart before that.

 

[soap box]

According to an authoritarian sure but you're trying to gaslight others are even perhaps yourself.

There's no point in answering a loaded and biased question . Rephrase the question.

so you support removing all federal laws regarding firearms right. Because those laws interfere with my right and ability
what's "high fire power arms?". I've never heard that phrase before.
then there would be no need for red flag laws because once you've been adjudicated or had your due process for felonies or even certain misdemeanors you're prohibited from owning firearms.

That law already exists.

I specifically said I didn't think you were a psychologically and hormonally unbalanced teenager. I said the opposite.

You're not a troubled teenager and I wouldn't want any interference to your right or ability.

You mischaracterized my post. You wrote

Because those laws interfere with my right and ability

And I made the point that I didn't mean someone like you or I.

And what's this-

what's "high fire power arms?"

But somehow you knew what I meant.

you still didn't explain the post where you said investigating criminal behavior is against democracy. I'm against profiling but there other tools to predict where criminals are going to show up.

When the state prison board tries to make plans for the coming decade they look at lots of indicators and one important part in their formula is the number of third graders who can't read. There are stats that help law enforcement stay ahead and it doesn't involve profiling.

if a detective shows up at a scene and begins to have three suspects, and he discovers that one can't really read, it might make a difference. But other facts will tell and the illiterate suspect might be innocent . That's not profiling.

actually I'm further ahead of them than you are nine times out of 10 they're lives and I just default to them most likely being false.

what standing on the corpses of the Dead the champion for controlling people that have nothing to do with criminal behavior?


Investigating criminal behavior is against democracy and no wonder you support Biden and other Democrats.

That last sentence is so broad and vague it could mean that there should be anarchy. Rephrase that.

 

[CLAX1911]

There's no point in answering a loaded and biased question . Rephrase the question.


I specifically said I didn't think you were a psychologically and hormonally unbalanced teenager. I said the opposite.


You mischaracterized my post. You wrote

And I made the point that I didn't mean someone like you or I.

And what's this-


But somehow you knew what I meant.

you still didn't explain the post where you said investigating criminal behavior is against democracy. I'm against profiling but there other tools to predict where criminals are going to show up.

When the state prison board tries to make plans for the coming decade they look at lots of indicators and one important part in their formula is the number of third graders who can't read. There are stats that help law enforcement stay ahead and it doesn't involve profiling.

if a detective shows up at a scene and begins to have three suspects, and he discovers that one can't really read, it might make a difference. But other facts will tell and the illiterate suspect might be innocent . That's not profiling.

That last sentence is so broad and vague it could mean that there should be anarchy. Rephrase that.

You you don't know what "high fire power arms" means?

Or is that also a loaded question?

 

[Big Brother]

So if he is prosecuted and locked up will that cure your TDS and make your life better?

Probably not. The minute Donald "Satan" Trump is locked up in Guantanamo Bay we will have to deal with the next big threat to our Democracy: Ron DeSantis. We see he is so much more popular than DST and is a colossal threat to our power. DeSATAN is 100X worse than Trump. DeSATAN will take MAGA to the extreme of extreme and we will have to invent entirely new words ending in -ist just to keep this Anti-MAGA narrative going. Biden will help us with that. Anyway, Trump was just us practicing for the real threat to the soul of the nation: A GOP politician who just might be 10X better than Reagan. If you think we went extreme with Trump, you haven't seen anything yet. The Ron DeSATAN attacks will be epic. Anyway, your posts about freedom, liberty, personal responsibility, self determination and all other BS are useless as those are ultra MAGA super extremist ideals and are direct threats to our hold on power. We will never again give up power and will do EVERYTHING possible to keep it and keep it growing. If you want the power of the government derived from the people you should start looking for another country to live in.

 

[Hamish Howl]

So if he is prosecuted and locked up will that cure your TDS and make your life better?

It would be a good start.

 

[TomFitz]

So it was a good thing promoting a leftwing entitlement mentality and weaponizing Covid to get people to stay home and sell their votes? You still haven't told me how Trump hurt you and your family. Trump didn't steal your vote and that is nothing more than an excuse to disguise the reality that you need liberalism

“Stay home and sell their votes”?

Did you make that up all by yourself, or did the man in your AM radio feed it to you?

 

[soap box]

You you don't know what "high fire power arms" means?

Or is that also a loaded question?

Haha! That is a pun !!
Yes very good sir , yes sir

 

[Conservative]

The plot fell apart before that.

So think that locking Trump up will make your life better? Don't count on it as Biden remains in office.

 

[Conservative]

Probably not. The minute Donald "Satan" Trump is locked up in Guantanamo Bay we will have to deal with the next big threat to our Democracy: Ron DeSantis. We see he is so much more popular than DST and is a colossal threat to our power. DeSATAN is 100X worse than Trump. DeSATAN will take MAGA to the extreme of extreme and we will have to invent entirely new words ending in -ist just to keep this Anti-MAGA narrative going. Biden will help us with that. Anyway, Trump was just us practicing for the real threat to the soul of the nation: A GOP politician who just might be 10X better than Reagan. If you think we went extreme with Trump, you haven't seen anything yet. The Ron DeSATAN attacks will be epic. Anyway, your posts about freedom, liberty, personal responsibility, self determination and all other BS are useless as those are ultra MAGA super extremist ideals and are direct threats to our hold on power. We will never again give up power and will do EVERYTHING possible to keep it and keep it growing. If you want the power of the government derived from the people you should start looking for another country to live in.

Awe, yes, anyone that threatens to socialist, power grabbing Democrat leaders has to be destroyed. Wonder what it is about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty. I can see how dependence creating policies make people loyal for life. Posts like this make it impossible to even communicate with a liberal. Your last sentence says it all, "we will never again give up power and will do EVERYTHING possible to keep it" That defines dependence creating liberals.

 

[Conservative]

“Stay home and sell their votes”?

Did you make that up all by yourself, or did the man in your AM radio feed it to you?

Didn't have to, prove it didn't happen? Waiting for the left to explain why people cannot go to the polls for early voting, on election day, or qualify for an absentee ballot? Then tell us that mail in ballots aren't subject to fraud?

 

[Conservative]

It actually does because there's data to back it up. Apparently now verifiable data doesn't matter.

What state data shows that actual registered voters cast those mail in ballots especially in those 6 Democrat precincts that gave Biden the electoral college win? Still waiting for an explanation as to why voters cannot go to the polls for early voting, on election day, or qualify for an official absentee ballot. What's next phone in voting? Making it easier is the cry from the left, making it fair and fraud free doesn't resonate.

 

[Conservative]

“Stay home and sell their votes”?

Did you make that up all by yourself, or did the man in your AM radio feed it to you?

How long is it going to take to get you and others to focus on the present, the Biden record, the Biden/Hunter/China connection and the total economic and social disaster in this country due to liberal economic policies or doesn't any of that matter to the liberal elite?

 

[TomFitz]

So think that locking Trump up will make your life better? Don't count on it as Biden remains in office.

I haven’t said anything about locking your beloved fuhrer up.

I want to see his crimes exposed, documented, and prosecuted.

Whether he personally goes to jail or not is not a big concern for me.

I want the crimes and schemes he particpated and promoted exposed. I want consequences for the perpetrators and fellow travelers.

And I want an end to this half baked pseudo facism that trumpism represents.

We have suffered the tyranny of a loud and intolerant minority. It’s time to get back to what the United States actually stand for.

The bigots, isolationists, ignoramuses and religious fanatics need to go, and the lid needs to be bolted down on the sewer that is trumpism.

 

[ElChupacabra]

No, the data doesn't give a valid reason for people not going to the polls when it is so easy with early voting, election day and official absentee ballots. IF people aren't willing to take the time to go to the polls for their vote then they aren't serious about the process and do indeed cheapen the process. I asked for a valid reason and you just posted statewide results, that says what is happening but it doesn't give the reason for them not going to the polls. Making it easy is nothing more than liberal entitlement rhetoric. Democracies aren't easy so if you don't care enough to cast your ballot in person you don't really care about the outcome.

That's the problem right there, because your idea of "valid reason" is not based on anything other than a personal preference based on the weird idea that people who don't go to the polls "cheapen the process" and the rest of your arbitrary values you've placed around in-person voting. I have no problem with in person voting, but what's the most important for all involved is we get better voter participation, and we've seen that in states that have all mail-in voting.

We actually weaken our electoral process by making it harder for people to vote, and the other big problem with your assumption is that those who can't make it to the polls simply can't be bothered to do so, which is far from accurate. Your argument would be silly if applied to just about any other process you might benefit from. Imagine if I told you that receiving your mail at home was "lazy" because you should earn your mail by going to the post office to get it, or tax returns should only be completed on paper and sent via the mail.

Research shows that people who didn't go to the polls voted mostly against Trump and not for Biden and gave you the link showing just that. Far too many people don't take the process seriously and making it easier is the problem as if it wasn't easy enough.

That was a known quantity from polling well in advance of the election, and what it reflected was that people who wanted to avoid crowded places during a pandemic opted to vote by mail. The challenge you face is equating that to the fraud the former president claimed, and thus far it's been a lot of fitting round pegs into square holes. Whether they voted for or against someone only means something to the losing candidate, since the question is why would people be motivated to vote against you.