Most Americans plan to vote for Democrats

[ShamMol]

...even though they are corproaret slaves, just as they claim the GOP is.

Not those who are running against the GOP incumbents, they haven't had a chance to become immersed in the culture yet and thus can claim that correctly.

Except for interests like the NEA, the AFT, the AARP, the Sierra club, etc -- but those special interests are OK.

Hey, quote this, the AARP is a special interest for both the Dems and Repubs. But the point remains that those who are in power bend to those interests. Those who are running against the power have not yet had a chance to be bought completely and can run on that.

Youlre kidding, right?
By what measure does the economy suck?
GDP growth? Unemployment? Jobs creation? Productivity? Consumer confidence? Orders for durable goods?

Wage increases-nonexistant. Shipping jobs to other countries-oh yeah. A rise in service level jobs-oh hell yeah. Not that pleasant of an economy for workers who aren't that...intellectual.

Yes. And he LIED to the American people when he said that "this is the wors economy in 50 years".

True. But the point remains that it is the Economy Stupid.

....for the sake of change, as their version of "progress" has brought us nothing, and they cannot say what sort of change they will make to "improve" things.

They are a new generation of progressives, and they should not be branded with the same stroke that brands those of the 60s and 70s. The Progressives haven't been in power since then. They can argue change is at hand and that they deserve to be the agents of change, because the conservatives who have been in power haven't done anything.

Even though they kow-tow to the priveledged, just as they say the GOP does.

But, they unlike the Republicans, are willing to argue for those that have nothing. Poverty is their issue, and nobody can tell them otherwise.
[quote[
How?
And what about the jobs being created now?
When unemployment under Clinton was at 4.6% with 1.8 million jobs created in a year, it was the cat's meow -- and under Bush, it means the economy sucks.[/quote]All the jobs are in the service level. The jobs that were eliminated were ones that were intellectual. Get with the program and realize that the pay level is not the same for these jobs and, in addition, will not mean a wage increase for any real American. You see productivity continue to rise, yet wages remain stagnant? Something smells fishy.

And we're willing to bankrupt the country to prove it!!

Oh, bait me. Just like Bush was willing to bankrupt the country by spending 400 million (according to a new report) in Iraq to prove himself right. Whoops. He still hasn't.

We are willing to tax the rich, give tax breaks to the poor and middle class to prove it. Welcome to Democrats 101.

it means they're lying through their teeth to get it.

We won't touch social security in the next few years. We aren't lying.

Except for the part where they're willing to bankrupt America to protect the welfae state. THAT is the truth.

The Welfare state isn't going away, and I, for one, am for reforming it to make it more job oriented. But you can't take it away because so many people depend on it. IF you just took it away, there would be mass chaos, and you know that too.

 

[aps]

Ann Coulter just said on Hardball that she won't be surprised if the democrats take over Congress, as this is their year. She's not predicting that the democrats will become the majority in either house; however, she said that based upon what's happening in Iraq, she would not be surprised.

:lol:

 

[Deegan]

Ann Coulter just said on Hardball that she won't be surprised if the democrats take over Congress, as this is their year. She's not predicting that the democrats will become the majority in either house; however, she said that based upon what's happening in Iraq, she would not be surprised.

:lol:

Well she is a nut, you can't take anything she says seriously!:lol:

 

[aps]

Well she is a nut, you can't take anything she says seriously!:lol:

LOL She really is nuts. Do guys think she's hot?

No matter what anyone says, I won't believe that the dems will take over one of the houses until it happens.

 

[Deegan]

LOL She really is nuts. Do guys think she's hot?

No matter what anyone says, I won't believe that the dems will take over one of the houses until it happens.

Hot? No, she scares me, I think she probably finds it hard to get a date!:shock:

 

[Navy Pride]

Full article is here.

It would appear that things aren't looking so hot for the GOP....but does that really come as a surprise to anyone with everything that's come out in the past year or so?

Too bad the Republicans on the Hill are too busy worrying about petty issues, rather than focusing on things that might actually make a difference to their voters.

Don't bet your house on it stace........I predict right now that Republicans will keep control of both the Senate and the House...........Stay tuned......

 

[Stace]

Don't bet your house on it stace........I predict right now that Republicans will keep control of both the Senate and the House...........Stay tuned......

How could I bet my house? I rent. I don't think they'd appreciate me doing that.

But I would also advise you not to put all of your eggs in one basket. Times, they are a changin', NP.

 

[Navy Pride]

How could I bet my house? I rent. I don't think they'd appreciate me doing that.

But I would also advise you not to put all of your eggs in one basket. Times, they are a changin', NP.

It was meant as and expression .........

Yeah, you lost in 200,2002,2004 and you will lose in 2006, and 2008...........You have no plan..............Just criticizing GWB is not going to get it done.............sorry

 

[Navy Pride]

How could I bet my house? I rent. I don't think they'd appreciate me doing that.
But I would also advise you not to put all of your eggs in one basket. Times, they are a changin', NP.

You should take some of that cop salary that caine makes and buy a house though..........Great tax write off........Smart woman like you should know that.....

 

[Stace]

It was meant as and expression .........

Yeah, you lost in 200,2002,2004 and you will lose in 2006, and 2008...........You have no plan..............Just criticizing GWB is not going to get it done.............sorry

I didn't lose anything. Sure, I voted Dem in '04 (first year I could vote, I missed '00 by 5 months), but that doesn't mean I'll vote Dem in the future. My vote goes with the issues, not the party.

 

[Stace]

You should take some of that cop salary that caine makes and buy a house though..........Great tax write off........Smart woman like you should know that.....

Yeah, that cop salary? Not very much, especially when I don't have a job myself, other than to take care of the house - and the little man when he gets here. And we're definitely not buying a house in this county, property taxes are outrageous and they just keep raising them.

But hey, you think I'm smart....that's a step in the right direction, NP. Perhaps I can sway you to my side of an issue someday after all. :mrgreen:

 

[southern_liberal]

Unrestrained? Hardly, the Democrats have been masterful in their blocking tactics. If the Rep's had unrestrained power then why did SS reform get killed?



IOW they don't have any leadership abilities nor any position with which to attrach voters. The promised last year to put forth an agenda, they promised again this year. All they have is "anger", and that ain't gonna work.



What plan? They came out of thier planning meetings with nothing. THEY can't even figure out what they support.



No it was months but then what the Republicans stood for was not a secret before then either.



:rofl what on earth is the premise for that conclusion?



Because just saying we hate Republicans isn't going to win an election, especially in a time of war.


What ammo?



What meltdown? The culture of corruption BS proved bogus, the economy is soaring, the Rove thing was a joke, Iraq continues to get better everyday and we will probably be able to start to cycle troops home late this year or next. The Democrats have nothing to offer.

Give me a reason to vote Democrat.

Okay. Where do I start. Okay. I will say again, the smart thing for them to do is whole their ammo until election season is in full swing and I believe that is what they are doing. How do you know what's going on in their meetings?

How do I know the Republicans are imploding? Let's see:

Dubai ports fiasco
Iraq
Abramoff
Tom Delay
Scooter Libby
Iraq
Illegal wire taps
Illegal gathering of phone records
Iraq
The social security nightmare
2,500 troops dead and another 25,000 troops maimed in a war of choice.
Katrina
Iraq
Deficit worse than anything we've seen
The Republican split over Immigration (talk about a group not being able to agree on something)
Iraq
our ports wide open
The border insecure 5 year after 9-11( so much for being tough on national security)
refusal of the Republican congress to raise the minimum wage
gas prices (out of his control but he is the leader of this country and he haven't offered any relief or meaningful suggestions to help the populace)

and finally Iraq.

There. And remember, The majority party is the Republicans and all of this has happened on their watch. I guess they've reneged on the so called Contract with America, and people do see that.

Okay. I have gained my composure. The economy. Let's talk about the economy. Any news, no matter how good about the economy is negated by the massive, massive deficit. And it continues to grow.

Also on the economy. The numbers that look good on Wall Street don't look so great on Main street. With the price of gas, college tuition, healthcare etc., Wall street numbers don't mean that much.

Iraq is getting better everyday? Stop watching Fox news so much. Our troops are over there for the long haul. They are fighting a resilient Insurgency, There are sectarian militias we haven't even adequately address and general distrust of the U.S. by the Sunnis. yeah, happy days are here again.

No culture of corruption? see, Abramoff, Ney, Burns, and Delay and I sure I've missed quite a few.

 

[jujuman13]

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No culture of corruption? see, Abramoff, Ney, Burns, and Delay and I sure I've missed quite a few.

Although as yet not charged, it is really kind of difficult to believe that Mr. Jefferson was accepting money from an FBI plant as a donation to Mr. Jefferson's local church, then again perhaps he was?

It really makes no difference as to which party gains control of house and Senate.

What the USA desperately (oh so desperately) needs is honest (as though that is possible) Politicians.

And until the USA gets this type of Politician (who works more for the good of the USA than they do to enrich themselves) then the USA will continue to go downhill, morally, financially and finally lose any remaining vestige of respect from the rest of the World.

And yes, there are those who would say that America does not care what other nations think of them, they would be foolish to think this.

America or dare one say it, the President has started a war he has absolutely no chance of ending with any degree of success.

It would have been far better had he simply had Saddam assassinated, but that would not have been legal, would it?


Perhaps at some time in the future (one hopes the very near future) America will realise that it's version of Democracy cannot be installed in any country which has absolutely no idea of how to practise Democracy.

Most Mid east nations are ruled by Dictators or Local Emir's or Sheik's, with little to none democratic institutions in place, they have governed themselves like this for thousands of years, seemingly relatively content with their lot.

Most African nations (albeit having knowledge of what Democracy is) have emerged into nationhood/statehood and by and large been taken over by some military leader who mounted a coup against the democratic gov. left in that nation by it's erstwhile colonialists. After which they bled the nation dry and pocketed their nefarious gains in a Swiss bank Account.

Iran has had a type of democracy thrust upon it by their Mullahs, their is very little political dissent permitted, but nonetheless it is a democracy (of sorts).

One must wonder just where the Billions of Oil $, are going, almost certainly into Foreign Bank accounts?

 

[Navy Pride]

I didn't lose anything. Sure, I voted Dem in '04 (first year I could vote, I missed '00 by 5 months), but that doesn't mean I'll vote Dem in the future. My vote goes with the issues, not the party.

Just curious stace..........Who is a republican you would vote for president?

 

[Bullets]

Southern Lib, you can hardly blame a hurricane on bush, he may be a bad "republican" but he doesnt control the weather...

I have a feeling that the GOP will maintain control, atleast in this election. i dont think people are going to make that connection as easily as the Democrats want us to believe the people will. And even if they do gain a majority, it will be a small one, like 51-49 or such.

 

[Stace]

Just curious stace..........Who is a republican you would vote for president?

Probably not anyone that's going to run in '08, but then again, we'll just have to see who the candidates actually are when the time comes.

I will tell you that I voted for both of my state's current senators in '04, and guess what, they're both Republican.

It depends on their stance on particular issues. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any Republican presidential hopefuls that have views consistent with my own in regards to things that I actually give a hoot about. But, like I said, we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[doughgirl]

Southernliberal said, “If I were Harry Reid or Nancy Polosi, I wouldn't play my hand right yet either. It's four months until the elections; it's smart to wait until closer to the elections to unveil their plans.”

Four months until election………wait?........They probably have no clue as to what plans they actually have. Do the Democrats have any?

I mean what was their message in the last presidential election?

Vauge said it best……..”In all honesty, it's time for a 3rd party.

Dems have nothing to offer.

The GOP will remain victorious, though our confidence is shallow.”

Goobieman said, “The Dems will continue their slide to the left”

Ya cant slide any closer to extreme left than they already are. Nancy Pelosi?………..Ted Kennedy?...Al Gore? Boxer? Hillary Clinton? (shes trying to cover up how liberal she is…and fooling no one)

ShamMol said, “Democratic candidates can point to several things that show that they represent and will continue to represent the people.”

Is that why they lost the past two elections, because they represented the American Public? They lost because they did not represent the majority of the American people.

“Four things that they can make talking points - They are agents of change, Washington is for not just for the priveledged Americans, Jobs For Americans, and We Care about the Seniors. That will ensure Democrats a victory, even if people like me don't want to necessarily see one.”

Agents of change? Like what?

Washington isn’t for priveledged people? Do you mean politicians? Are you saying that there are no rich Democrats in Washington? Go look up the net worth of the Democratic politicians at the top.

 

[Goobieman]

Goobieman, George Bush LIED to us about why we should invade Iraq.

Not any more than Al Gore or John Kerry did.
And yet you voted for them.

AND, its a good bet that whoever the Dems run in 2008 will have "lied" as well -- and you'll still vote for her.

Never mind that you havent addressed the point:
Thinking people that dont vote for your guy are "stupid" is a great way to make sure they NEVER vote for your guy.

 

[Stinger]

Okay. Where do I start. Okay. I will say again, the smart thing for them to do is whole their ammo until election season is in full swing

Then why did the announce otherwise, that they would present a plan, go into meetings, twice, and then come up empty handed?

and I believe that is what they are doing. How do you know what's going on in their meetings?

They tell us, pay more attention.

How do I know the Republicans are imploding?

First most of you list is specious, second it only shows that Republicans ARE debating issues and willing to talk about them. Now if you can go down that list and give me the specifics of what the Democrats are going to do on each one you might have a point.

There. And remember, The majority party is the Republicans and all of this has happened on their watch. I guess they've reneged on the so called Contract with America, and people do see that.

Please explain how the Contract with America has anything to do with anything on your list? Did you oppose the CwA?

Okay. I have gained my composure. The economy. Let's talk about the economy. Any news, no matter how good about the economy is negated by the massive, massive deficit. And it continues to grow.

They are two seperate issues but what is the Democrat plan?

Also on the economy. The numbers that look good on Wall Street don't look so great on Main street. With the price of gas, college tuition, healthcare etc., Wall street numbers don't mean that much.

Sure they do but the three specifics have more to do with government control than the free market, so what is the Democrat plan for each?

Iraq is getting better everyday? Stop watching Fox news so much.

Yes, start watching Fox News more and less of CNN and CBS.

No culture of corruption?

No more of less than Democrats, why do you think even the Democrat leadership has given up on that phoney issue?

 

[Stinger]

I didn't lose anything. Sure, I voted Dem in '04 (first year I could vote, I missed '00 by 5 months), but that doesn't mean I'll vote Dem in the future. My vote goes with the issues, not the party.

:rofl and it seems you are supporting the party without any issues!

 

[Navy Pride]

Probably not anyone that's going to run in '08, but then again, we'll just have to see who the candidates actually are when the time comes.

I will tell you that I voted for both of my state's current senators in '04, and guess what, they're both Republican.

It depends on their stance on particular issues. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any Republican presidential hopefuls that have views consistent with my own in regards to things that I actually give a hoot about. But, like I said, we'll just have to wait and see.

Dole and Burr both very Conservative..........I find that very surprising since you disagree with them on almost every issue.......

 

[Stinger]

Frankly Stinger, the Contract for America was a Republican idea. Democrats all have different ideas of what they would and nobody knows what the Democrats as a whole will do. So, stop it. Individuals will run individual campaigns and they will say what they will do.

FRankly ShamMol parties DO control the agenda and this is not and has not been different with Democrats. Democrats don't ALL have different ideas, they have NO ideas and when it comes to a national campaign they better get a few else they have nothing to offer. They have been struggling since the last election to come up with something and they haven't. They have made public proclimations that they would put forth a policy statement, and the haven't.

Your attempts to give them cover are absurd.

 

[Stinger]

Goobieman, George Bush LIED to us about why we should invade Iraq.

Stupidity is doing the same losing thing over and over. You ran on that last time and it lost and here you are again. No one buys it except the ignorant.

 

[aps]

Not any more than Al Gore or John Kerry did.
And yet you voted for them.

AND, its a good bet that whoever the Dems run in 2008 will have "lied" as well -- and you'll still vote for her.

Never mind that you havent addressed the point:
Thinking people that dont vote for your guy are "stupid" is a great way to make sure they NEVER vote for your guy.

Oh brother. Sorry, but John Kerry didn't make the case to send us to war.

I will NOT vote for Hillary Clinton. I can't stand her, and she doesn't represent me.

You clearly do not understand my distinction between voting for any republican versus voting for George Bush. Thus, I won't even bother attempting to explain it again. Yes, I thought that the people who voted for Bush were stupid.

 

[Stace]

:rofl and it seems you are supporting the party without any issues!

And just how do you figure that, seeing as how I have no party affiliation?