Most Americans plan to vote for Democrats (1 Viewer)

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WASHINGTON - Republicans are in jeopardy of losing their grip on Congress in November. With less than four months to the midterm elections, the latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that Americans by an almost 3-to-1 margin hold the GOP-controlled Congress in low regard and profess a desire to see Democrats wrest control after a dozen years of Republican rule.

Further complicating the GOP outlook to turn things around is a solid percentage of liberals, moderates and even conservatives who say they'll vote Democratic. The party out of power also holds the edge among persuadable voters, a prospect that doesn't bode well for the Republicans.

Full article is here.

It would appear that things aren't looking so hot for the GOP....but does that really come as a surprise to anyone with everything that's come out in the past year or so?

Too bad the Republicans on the Hill are too busy worrying about petty issues, rather than focusing on things that might actually make a difference to their voters.

 

[Goobieman]

However bad the GOP might be doing -- what on earth makes anyone think the Dems will do better?

As far as I have seen, the Dem message this year is "We're not Bush; we're not the GOP".

That was the same message as 2002 and 2004. How'd that work for them?

 

[southern_liberal]

However bad the GOP might be doing -- what on earth makes anyone think the Dems will do better?

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Well, the Reps. in congress had 12 years of unrestrained power and look what's happened. So the voters know the Reps can cause havoc; they just want to give the Dem's a try.

If I were Harry Reid or Nancy Polosi, I wouldn't play my hand right yet either. It's four months until the elections; it's smart to wait until closer to the elections to unveil their plans. Right now, The GOP would attack their plan to straighten out the country, and would continue to do so until election day. After all, the so called "Contract with America" was not unveiled until weeks before the 1994 elections.

And as for right now, The republican party is imploding. Why shouldn't the Dem's not juststand back and watch it happen? The Dems are saving all of their ammo until full campaign season, As long as the Reps continue this meltdown, they are doing the Dem's job for them.

 

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Well, the Reps. in congress had 12 years of unrestrained power and look what's happened. So the voters know the Reps can cause havoc; they just want to give the Dem's a try.

If I were Harry Reid or Nancy Polosi, I wouldn't play my hand right yet either. It's four months until the elections; it's smart to wait until closer to the elections to unveil their plans. Right now, The GOP would attack their plan to straighten out the country, and would continue to do so until election day. After all, the so called "Contract with America" was not unveiled until weeks before the 1994 elections.

And as for right now, The republican party is imploding. Why shouldn't the Dem's not juststand back and watch it happen? The Dems are saving all of their ammo until full campaign season, As long as the Reps continue this meltdown, they are doing the Dem's job for them.

Very well said!!

 

[Stinger]

However bad the GOP might be doing -- what on earth makes anyone think the Dems will do better?

Well, the Reps. in congress had 12 years of unrestrained power and look what's happened. So the voters know the Reps can cause havoc; they just want to give the Dem's a try.

Unrestrained? Hardly, the Democrats have been masterful in their blocking tactics. If the Rep's had unrestrained power then why did SS reform get killed?

If I were Harry Reid or Nancy Polosi, I wouldn't play my hand right yet either. It's four months until the elections; it's smart to wait until closer to the elections to unveil their plans.

IOW they don't have any leadership abilities nor any position with which to attrach voters. The promised last year to put forth an agenda, they promised again this year. All they have is "anger", and that ain't gonna work.

Right now, The GOP would attack their plan to straighten out the country, and would continue to do so until election day.

What plan? They came out of thier planning meetings with nothing. THEY can't even figure out what they support.

After all, the so called "Contract with America" was not unveiled until weeks before the 1994 elections.

No it was months but then what the Republicans stood for was not a secret before then either.

And as for right now, The republican party is imploding.

:rofl what on earth is the premise for that conclusion?

Why shouldn't the Dem's not juststand back and watch it happen?

Because just saying we hate Republicans isn't going to win an election, especially in a time of war.

The Dems are saving all of their ammo until full campaign season,

What ammo?

As long as the Reps continue this meltdown, they are doing the Dem's job for them.

What meltdown? The culture of corruption BS proved bogus, the economy is soaring, the Rove thing was a joke, Iraq continues to get better everyday and we will probably be able to start to cycle troops home late this year or next. The Democrats have nothing to offer.

Give me a reason to vote Democrat.

 

[Stinger]

Very well said!!

Except none of it holds water. Not one reason to vote FOR Democrats in the entire post.

Try this for some interesting reading

http://author.nationalreview.com/latest/?q=MjE0Ng==

The Democrat "tent" becomes smaller and smaller

"The Republicans have tactical and strategic interests in the Lieberman race. If Lamont wins the primary and a Democratic seat is forfeited, that's a tactical victory: one more Republican vote in the Senate. But if the correlation is a dramatic shrinkage in the Democratic vote nationwide—a million Democrats unable to squeeze into the narrower tent—then that would be a strategic result that would imperil the two party system."

 

[Stinger]

However bad the GOP might be doing -- what on earth makes anyone think the Dems will do better?

As far as I have seen, the Dem message this year is "We're not Bush; we're not the GOP".

That was the same message as 2002 and 2004. How'd that work for them?

Now THAT was very well said. Why on earth people think the Democrats will pick up seats when they have absolutely nothing to offer is amazing.

 

[drobforever]

I don't see Dem winning because when time comes the Bush admin will drop a few "bomb" and wake up the Rep base.

 

[Schweddy]

In all honesty, it's time for a 3rd party.

Dems have nothing to offer.

The GOP will remain victorious, though our confidence is shallow.

 

[Deegan]

Polls are for sheep, Republicans will keep control, mark my words.

 

[Goobieman]

In all honesty, it's time for a 3rd party.

Dems have nothing to offer.

The GOP will remain victorious, though our confidence is shallow.

The idea has ben offered by some that the moderate Bush Administration and the moderate/liberal position of the GOP will indeed bring into bing a conservative 3rd party. Clearly, as the GOP moves to the left, conservative Americans have no home, and so they will create one.

The Dems will continue their slide to the left as well, getting more and more extreme, while th moderate Dems will join the GOP (replacing the conservatives that leave). So, we'll have a leftist fringe party in the Dems, representing probably 10% of the US, a large moderate/left party in the GOP, represetning probably 55% of the US, and a smaller conservative party represening 35% of the US.

So yes, the GOP will remain in power for some time, and it will continue to move to the left.

 

[ShamMol]

Here is why the Democrats will win - it is not because the GOP is doing badly (but that certainly helps), it is not because they are only equating the Republicans to Bush (though that certainly helps and is happening), and it is not because the Democrats have the moral high ground on every subject. It is because they have the monopoly on what matters - the actual people of this country. You may be skeptical, so let me explain.

Democratic candidates can point to several things that show that they represent and will continue to represent the people. Mind you, mixed in with this is a bit of anti-Republicanism, but it has to be done to make a point. They can show that they will not bow down to the corporations and will in fact not grovel at the feet of special interests. Things they can point to-the fact that there are more lobbyists ever, the fact that more is being spent on lobbying than ever, the pay-to-play environment in the current Washington (this goes against Repubs and Dems, everyone who is serving).

This economy sucks. Bill Clinton brought out the fact that its the economy (stupid) that wins elections. Well, here is a true test of that. Dems can say the following line and hope it sticks....This economy has brought you nothing more than high gas, high health care costs and financial pressures, ESPECIALLY for the MIDDLE CLASS! The can tout tax cuts for the middle class and tax raises for the Upper class. They can tout that they are going to help the poor and make sure that people are not in so desperate a situation.

Four things that they can make talking points - They are agents of change, Washington is for not just for the priveledged Americans, Jobs For Americans, and We Care about the Seniors. That will ensure Democrats a victory, even if people like me don't want to necessarily see one.

 

[Goobieman]

They can show that they will not bow down to the corporations

...even though they are corproaret slaves, just as they claim the GOP is.

and will in fact not grovel at the feet of special interests.

Except for interests like the NEA, the AFT, the AARP, the Sierra club, etc -- but those special interests are OK.

This economy sucks.

Youlre kidding, right?
By what measure does the economy suck?
GDP growth? Unemployment? Jobs creation? Productivity? Consumer confidence? Orders for durable goods?

Bill Clinton brought out the fact that its the economy (stupid) that wins elections.

Yes. And he LIED to the American people when he said that "this is the wors economy in 50 years".

They are agents of change...

....for the sake of change, as their version of "progress" has brought us nothing, and they cannot say what sort of change they will make to "improve" things.

Washington is for not just for the priveledged Americans...

Even though they kow-tow to the priveledged, just as they say the GOP does.

Jobs For Americans

How?
And what about the jobs being created now?
When unemployment under Clinton was at 4.6% with 1.8 million jobs created in a year, it was the cat's meow -- and under Bush, it means the economy sucks.

and We Care about the Seniors

And we're willing to bankrupt the country to prove it!!

That will ensure Democrats a victory, even if...

it means they're lying through their teeth to get it.

Except for the part where they're willing to bankrupt America to protect the welfae state. THAT is the truth.

 

[disneydude]

What meltdown? The culture of corruption BS proved bogus, the economy is soaring, the Rove thing was a joke, Iraq continues to get better everyday and we will probably be able to start to cycle troops home late this year or next.

Its amazing!
Bush said it and the right wing agrees....if you say it enough people might actually start to believe it. It sounds as if you are even starting to convince yourself.

-The culture of corruption is BS? Have you looked at the number of Republican hypocrites that have fallen during the last few years? Even the staunchest of Republicans would have to say that this is a problem for the GOP. Simply saying that it is "bogus" isn't going to cut it. The American public has lost a lot of confidence in the integrity of the GOP and they recognize it. Do you really want to be reminded of the long list of how the mighty have fallen?

-The economy is soaring? What planet are you on? I love how Bush himself is pretty restrained when talking about the economy, but the Bush apologists tout the economy as "booming", "soaring", etc. You can doctor any statistics to support either side of the argument, but the bottom line is what the American people are feeling in their pocketbooks. I know that you Republicans don't like to believe in polls (they get in the way of efforts to thwart the vote), but take a look at what real Americans think about the economy. And I agree with a previous poster. It is the economy, stupid, that people vote on....unless the Republicans are able to manipulate the politics of fear that they have been successful at recently.


-the Rove thing was a joke? Are you serious? Have you followed the news over the last year? Rove may not have been indicted, but are you willing to try to take the moral high ground and say that Rove was not involved in any way? I don't believe even Rove is saying this.

-The situation in Iraq is getting better everyday? Who are you kidding? Yes, Virginia there is a Santa Claus as well....Tell our troops that are caught fighting a religious battle and caught in the middle of a civil war how good things are getting in Iraq. We are clearly caught in a quagmire and Bush and his apologists are so stubborn and desperate to save face that they will continue to use the blood of our brave men and women in the military rather than admit the Bush/Rumsfield's war was a mistake from the start.

-Yes, troops will begin to come home...but only after the Democrats take control of the Congress and Bush no longer has Carte Blanche to exercise his every whim.

.....unbelievable.

 

[Stinger]

Originally Posted by Stinger
What meltdown? The culture of corruption BS proved bogus, the economy is soaring, the Rove thing was a joke, Iraq continues to get better everyday and we will probably be able to start to cycle troops home late this year or next.

Its amazing!
Bush said it and the right wing agrees....if you say it enough people might actually start to believe it. It sounds as if you are even starting to convince yourself.

That's the best you have?

-The culture of corruption is BS? Have you looked at the number of Republican hypocrites that have fallen during the last few years? Even the staunchest of Republicans would have to say that this is a problem for the GOP. Simply saying that it is "bogus" isn't going to cut it. The American public has lost a lot of confidence in the integrity of the GOP and they recognize it. Do you really want to be reminded of the long list of how the mighty have fallen?

Have you looked at the Democrats. Even Pelosi and Reid gave up on this one. One party is no more or no less corrupt than the other.

-The economy is soaring? What planet are you on? I love how Bush himself is pretty restrained when talking about the economy, but the Bush apologists tout the economy as "booming", "soaring", etc.

Do you think making up names for you opposition somehow makes your arguement sound more intelligent or something?

Yes we are in one of the best economies we have ever had.

-the Rove thing was a joke? Are you serious? Have you followed the news over the last year? Rove may not have been indicted, but are you willing to try to take the moral high ground and say that Rove was not involved in any way? I don't believe even Rove is saying this.

Nothing there, nada. Wilson was rebuked and in the process his CIA anyalist wife name got mention, oh I forgot she was part of the story. OF COURSE he role who become public, that her name and employment got mentioned was not a crime and no one is charged with anything. The administration responded to Wilson's lies as it should have and the people got the true story.


-The situation in Iraq is getting better everyday?

Yep the government is in place, the Iraqi forces are taking over more responosbility everyday we capture or kill more terrorist everyday.

-Yes, troops will begin to come home...but only after the Democrats take control of the Congress and Bush no longer has Carte Blanche to exercise his every whim.

They'll come home regardless as the war runs down and the Iraqi's take over. The Dems just don't care about Iraq or our success that's the difference.

.....unbelievable.

Oh believable and the Dems know it and can't come up with an alternative to offer.

 

[Stinger]

Here is why the Democrats will win -

Not one specific thing in your entire post. Try again, what will they do if they win? The "We're for the people" baloney don't fly.

 

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Full article is here.

It would appear that things aren't looking so hot for the GOP....but does that really come as a surprise to anyone with everything that's come out in the past year or so?

Too bad the Republicans on the Hill are too busy worrying about petty issues, rather than focusing on things that might actually make a difference to their voters.

Gawd, I would love for the republicans to suffer a significant blow this November, but I am too scared to get my hopes up. I was genuinely devasted after November 2004. I didn't even go to work the day after the election.

 

[Deegan]

Gawd, I would love for the republicans to suffer a significant blow this November, but I am too scared to get my hopes up. I was genuinely devasted after November 2004. I didn't even go to work the day after the election.

Me either, because my head hurt.....................
















From partying too hard!!:lol: arty :elephantf

 

[Goobieman]

Gawd, I would love for the republicans to suffer a significant blow this November, but I am too scared to get my hopes up. I was genuinely devasted after November 2004. I didn't even go to work the day after the election.

Wow. A little too wrapped up, were we?

Once they declared OH for Bush, giving him 269 EV, I fell asleep.
By the sounds of things, you started drinking :lol:

 

[jfuh]

A train speeding down a hill with drunk wacko in the engine doing nothing but revving the deisel even higher with a sharp cliff drop right ahead. What do you do?
Right now the GOP with the last 12 years control of congress have done just this, all the "conservative" party has called for is stay the course.
By now I've completely lost all faith in the government to do anything right at all, regardless of who is in power.

That being said, I feel the dems will still do much better when they are elected to office to control congress this november. Why? For the simple reason that they have something to proove. They need to show how they are better at controling then the GOP is. For a start, how about one of the two parties start by calling for shrinking spending? Why haven't we heard this from either side?

 

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Me either, because my head hurt.....................
















From partying too hard!!:lol: arty :elephantf

LMAO! You make me laugh!!! But go screw yourself! (wink)

Wow. A little too wrapped up, were we?

Once they declared OH for Bush, giving him 269 EV, I fell asleep.
By the sounds of things, you started drinking

Maybe I was a little wrapped up. No drinking--just crying. I just couldn't believe how I clearly underestimated the stupidity of the American people. I still can't understand you Bush apologists.

 

[Goobieman]

I just couldn't believe how I clearly underestimated the stupidity of the American people.

I think you just explained why you lost.
"If you dont agree with us, you're stupid!!"

I still can't understand you Bush apologists.

And I don't understand why you think you should win elections when you openly thnk that people that dont vote for your guy are stupid.

 

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I think you just explained why you lost.
"If you dont agree with us, you're stupid!!"


And I don't understand why you think you should win elections when you openly thnk that people that dont vote for your guy are stupid.

Goobieman, George Bush LIED to us about why we should invade Iraq. How can anyone want someone who would lie about such an important issue as president? It has nothing to do with the fact that Bush is a republican. If it was another republican, I could see how people would vote for him. But for Bush? I just could not fathom how anyone could forgive him for such a mistake. And that's why I felt the way I did.

I am a huge democrat; however, if it was a democrat who lied to us to get us into Iraq, I would NOT have voted for that democrat.

 

[Iriemon]

Goobieman, George Bush LIED to us about why we should invade Iraq. How can anyone want someone who would lie about such an important issue as president? It has nothing to do with the fact that Bush is a republican. If it was another republican, I could see how people would vote for him. But for Bush? I just could not fathom how anyone could forgive him for such a mistake. And that's why I felt the way I did.

I am a huge democrat; however, if it was a democrat who lied to us to get us into Iraq, I would NOT have voted for that democrat.

Sure Bush kind of fudged here and there about Iraq and got us into a war we shouldn't be in. But look at the bright side aps. It's not costing *us* anything -- Bush has brilliantly figured out that he can just borrow the money and let future taxpayers pay for it.

 

[ShamMol]

Not one specific thing in your entire post. Try again, what will they do if they win? The "We're for the people" baloney don't fly.

Frankly Stinger, the Contract for America was a Republican idea. Democrats all have different ideas of what they would and nobody knows what the Democrats as a whole will do. So, stop it. Individuals will run individual campaigns and they will say what they will do.