Most Americans oppose so-called assault weapons ban: poll

[NonoBadDog]

Most Americans oppose so-called assault weapons ban: poll

More Americans think carrying guns is a better response to terrorism than think gun control would help, according to an ABC-Washington Post survey released Wednesday. And 53 percent — a clear majority — say they oppose renewing the ban on military-style rifles. That’s the highest level of support for weapons since 1994, when Congress passed the sweeping Assault Weapons Ban.

“President Obama’s feckless behavior has destroyed people’s confidence that the government can protect them from terrorism,” Mr. Pratt said. “That’s why Americans are buying guns and getting concealed carry permits in record numbers.” Overall, just 22 percent of those in the poll said they were confident that the government can prevent a “lone-wolf” attack, and only 43 percent said they were confident the government can prevent a large-scale attack.
Those most worried about terrorism were also the ones most likely to consider guns a viable answer to growing uncertainty.
A poll memo from Langer Research also said Mr. Obama’s overall job approval rating — which was at 45 percent in the survey — is the “single strongest factor” in people’s views on an assault weapons ban.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Wednesday that advocates who favor stricter controls need to make their voices heard if they expect to see action on Capitol Hill.
“We continue to believe that we will see congressional action once the intensity of the argument on the side of those who support gun safety measures has been made clear to members of Congress,” Mr. Earnest said.

We already knew this but this new poll indicates just what 2nd Amendments advocates have been saying all along. What I find most interesting is Josh Ernest's take on it. He is correct but not in the way he thinks.

“We continue to believe that we will see congressional action once the intensity of the argument on the side of those who support gun safety measures has been made clear to members of Congress,” Mr. Earnest said.

Denial is everything. Resistance is futile Mr. Ernst.

 

[MrT]

This poll is disappointing, but not terribly shocking. People are too controlled by fear at the moment and that's why you have a significant percentage of the population supporting policies that, for example, would ban members of a religion or those fleeing brutal conditions.

I would like to hear the argument for why permitting the sale of assault rifles would make the likelihood of these lone wolf attacks any less likely and why permitting the sale makes the likelihood that a lone wolf attack will be foiled.

I would argue that permitting the sale of assault rifles does the opposite and more by providing more opportunities for these types of individuals to obtain assault rifles and the much, much, MUCH more common ordinary criminal, domestic abuser, or sovereign rights nut job to use them against other individuals inappropriately.

 

[JunkyardDogma]

Most Americans oppose so-called assault weapons ban: poll





We already knew this but this new poll indicates just what 2nd Amendments advocates have been saying all along. What I find most interesting is Josh Ernest's take on it. He is correct but not in the way he thinks.


Denial is everything. Resistance is futile Mr. Ernst.

Most Americans are as dumb as dog ****.

 

[NonoBadDog]

And the denial continues. Thank you Mr. Obama:

Obama meets with gun control advocate Michael Bloomberg | Washington Examiner

President Obama met with former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg Wednesday to discuss gun violence in America, the White House said in a statement.

The two "discussed ways to keep guns out of the hands of those who should not have access to them and what more could be done at the state and local level to help address gun violence in America," according to the statement. The president also thanked Bloomberg for his commitment to the gun control fight.

Bloomberg, a longtime anti-gun advocate, is co-founder of the gun-control group Everytown for Gun Safety.

White House adviser Valerie Jarrett also attended the meeting. She has played a prominent role in leading the White House's efforts to finalize an executive action to expand background checks on gun purchases.

Call Bloomeberg, because he did so well in other states, like Colorado. Oh yeah, the Democrats lost two seats in the senate and the senate majority because they listened to him in Colorado.

 

[NonoBadDog]

This poll is disappointing, but not terribly shocking. People are too controlled by fear at the moment and that's why you have a significant percentage of the population supporting policies that, for example, would ban members of a religion or those fleeing brutal conditions.

I would like to hear the argument for why permitting the sale of assault rifles would make the likelihood of these lone wolf attacks any less likely and why permitting the sale makes the likelihood that a lone wolf attack will be foiled.

I would argue that permitting the sale of assault rifles does the opposite and more by providing more opportunities for these types of individuals to obtain assault rifles and the much, much, MUCH more common ordinary criminal, domestic abuser, or sovereign rights nut job to use them against other individuals inappropriately.

You call it fear, we call it thinking for themselves. It is interesting how the "gun control" fear mongering isn't working so they would call it fear when we just want to keep our rights. What are you afraid of? Guns don't kill people.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Most Americans are as dumb as dog ****.

Wouldn't that, if true, be an argument in favor of the right to be armed?

 

[NonoBadDog]

Most Americans are as dumb as dog ****.

just keep pushing the votes to the right. We appreciate it. :lol:

 

[JunkyardDogma]

Wouldn't that, if true, be an argument in favor of the right to be armed?

Do you give potentially deadly objects to a stupid child? No. And so ends that argument.

 

[JunkyardDogma]

just keep pushing the votes to the right. We appreciate it. :lol:

Since whenever that happens little Hitler Youths can be heard screaming for blood to spill and heads to roll, no problem. They undo themselves, always.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Do you give potentially deadly objects to a stupid child? No. And so ends that argument.

The 2A is not about giving guns to anyone. Calling folks that disagree with you stupid is not likely to win many debates.

 

[NonoBadDog]

Since whenever that happens little Hitler Youths can be heard screaming for blood to spill and heads to roll, no problem. They undo themselves, always.

:yt

Wasn't it Hitler that instituted gun control in Germany? I think you have it backwards. I am pretty sure you have a lot backwards. You don't seem to be posting anything that is overly intelligent or thoughtful.
uch::scared::scared:

 

[MrT]

You call it fear, we call it thinking for themselves. It is interesting how the "gun control" fear mongering isn't working so they would call it fear when we just want to keep our rights. What are you afraid of? Guns don't kill people.

Emotions are complex and it is possible to be motivated by fear (I am motivated by it as well when I reach my conclusions on this topic) and yet reach a conclusion that might not logically sound because you want to "think for yourself." I am not afraid of a gun lying on the ground - I am afraid of the assault rifle when it is being carried by a person that I don't know.

As I said, I would like to hear the argument for why allowing assault rifle purchases would make the lonewolf situation less likely to occur or less likely to succeed.

 

[NonoBadDog]

Emotions are complex and it is possible to be motivated by fear (I am motivated by it as well when I reach my conclusions on this topic) and yet reach a conclusion that might not logically sound because you want to "think for yourself." I am not afraid of a gun lying on the ground - I am afraid of the assault rifle when it is being carried by a person that I don't know.

As I said, I would like to hear the argument for why allowing assault rifle purchases would make the lonewolf situation less likely to occur or less likely to succeed.

I can't figure out how come you are worried about such a small problem. The lone wolf with an "assault weapon" is the lowest occurrence in the whole crime category. Why all the flag waving about assault weapons? It is probably fear mongering drummed up by gun control advocates.

 

[SMTA]

Emotions are complex and it is possible to be motivated by fear (I am motivated by it as well when I reach my conclusions on this topic) and yet reach a conclusion that might not logically make sense because you want to "think for yourself." I am not afraid of a gun lying on the ground - I am afraid of the assault rifle when it is being carried by a person that I don't know.

Being wary is always wise - fear paralyzes logic and reason, and should be avoided.

I have never seen long guns, or handguns, carried in the open in these parts in the city (live in country, nearest large town about 60,000).

The neighbors carry a lot around here in the country - truck guns, hunting, etc., and does not bother me at all.

If I see someone carrying openly in town, which is legal in OH, I would avoid them.
I don't trust folks whom I don't know, and that has served me well for years.

My young son and I were in a gun shop a few years back.
The clerk handed a gun to a customer at the counter.
I watched closely, and neither one checked the handgun.
The customer swept us with the muzzle - I pulled my son behind me and verbally assaulted both of the fools.

I took my CCW class there 11 years ago.
I watched one of the ex-cop instructors clear a 1911 .45, and then, while talking, swept me several times.
I left the class and gave the store owner a ration of **** about the idiot instructor.

Just because I have been a gun guy for years does not mean that anybody with a gun gets a pass from me.

Idiots exist in all corners of society.

If you lived near me, I would gladly take you out shooting to give you a level of familiarity.
I have taken a lot of first timers out over the years, and always had very positive results.

You don't sound like an unreasonable nut case anti gun person to me at all, FWIW.

 

[countryboy]

Most Americans oppose so-called assault weapons ban: poll





We already knew this but this new poll indicates just what 2nd Amendments advocates have been saying all along. What I find most interesting is Josh Ernest's take on it. He is correct but not in the way he thinks.

Denial is everything. Resistance is futile Mr. Ernst.

Pershaw. As if the will of the people mattered a whit to the control freaks.

 

[countryboy]

This poll is disappointing, but not terribly shocking. People are too controlled by fear at the moment and that's why you have a significant percentage of the population supporting policies that, for example, would ban members of a religion or those fleeing brutal conditions.

I would like to hear the argument for why permitting the sale of assault rifles would make the likelihood of these lone wolf attacks any less likely and why permitting the sale makes the likelihood that a lone wolf attack will be foiled.

I would argue that permitting the sale of assault rifles does the opposite and more by providing more opportunities for these types of individuals to obtain assault rifles and the much, much, MUCH more common ordinary criminal, domestic abuser, or sovereign rights nut job to use them against other individuals inappropriately.

See what I mean?

 

[JunkyardDogma]

:yt

Wasn't it Hitler that instituted gun control in Germany? I think you have it backwards. I am pretty sure you have a lot backwards. You don't seem to be posting anything that is overly intelligent or thoughtful.
uch::scared::scared:

Gun control only for his enemies, the Jews, just as you would like it for ISIS. For most Germans he repealed gun control. Look it up.

"Gun regulation of the Third Reich

The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. But under the new law:

Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition."[5]
The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.[6]
Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year.[6]
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP (the National Socialist German Workers' Party, aka the Nazi party) members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[5]
Manufacture of arms and ammunition continued to require a permit, with the revision that such permits would no longer be issued to Jews or any company part-owned by Jews. Jews were consequently forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[5]

Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.

Disarming Jews in Nazi Germany
Nazi law to disarm Jews

On November 11, 1938 (the day after Kristallnacht) the Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons were promulgated by Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, effectively depriving all Jews living under the Third Reich of the right to possess any form of weapons including truncheons, knives, or firearms and ammunition.[7]

Before that, some police forces used the pre-existing "trustworthiness" clause to disarm Jews on the basis that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'".[5]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany

 

[NonoBadDog]

Pershaw. As if the will of the people mattered a whit to the control freaks.

It is fun to watch. That is why I don't freak out when I hear Gabby Giffords wants to put 11 million into carrying on about gun control. It is like free advertising.

 

[MrT]

I can't figure out how come you are worried about such a small problem. The lone wolf with an "assault weapon" is the lowest occurrence in the whole crime category. Why all the flag waving about assault weapons? It is probably fear mongering drummed up by gun control advocates.

I am not worried about the lone wolf situation, but I am offering the suggestion that fear of the lone wolf is a motivation behind people refusing to support assault weapons bans or purchasing assault weapons themselves. In fact, I made the point in my original post that the negative influence of an assault rifle is far more likely to be felt by the fact that non-terroristic individuals are able to readily and easily purchase the assault rifle and use the gun inappropriately.

 

[Riveroaks]

Most Americans oppose so-called assault weapons ban: poll





We already knew this but this new poll indicates just what 2nd Amendments advocates have been saying all along. What I find most interesting is Josh Ernest's take on it. He is correct but not in the way he thinks.


Denial is everything. Resistance is futile Mr. Ernst.

Assuming it is a good poll and statistically scientific (no reason to doubt it but I can't vouch for it), this is just a very recent aberration from the long history of opposition to combat style guns.

I do not know any non-gun owning person who thinks a combat style guns is sane. And they are not changing their minds in droves either.

So I would not bet the ranch on this poll.

I own a combat style gun ala a clone of the 1942 M-1 Carbine ( Ruger Mini).

I see a few Mini's at the range all the time, and occasionally an M-1 Carbine too.

But I mostly see AK's and AR's there.

I would be surprised if non gun households are now starting to buy up combat style guns however.

Nice poll though.

 

[countryboy]

I can't figure out how come you are worried about such a small problem. The lone wolf with an "assault weapon" is the lowest occurrence in the whole crime category. Why all the flag waving about assault weapons? It is probably fear mongering drummed up by gun control advocates.

Oh don't worry, he wants to ban handguns as well.

 

[MrT]

See what I mean?

The will of the people? You're willing to hang your hat on that one? So you support universal background checks, then?

 

[NonoBadDog]

Gun control only for his enemies, the Jews, just as you would like it for ISIS. For most Germans he repealed gun control. Look it up.

"Gun regulation of the Third Reich

The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. But under the new law:

Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition."[5]
The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.[6]
Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year.[6]
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP (the National Socialist German Workers' Party, aka the Nazi party) members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[5]
Manufacture of arms and ammunition continued to require a permit, with the revision that such permits would no longer be issued to Jews or any company part-owned by Jews. Jews were consequently forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[5]

Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.

Disarming Jews in Nazi Germany
Nazi law to disarm Jews

On November 11, 1938 (the day after Kristallnacht) the Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons were promulgated by Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, effectively depriving all Jews living under the Third Reich of the right to possess any form of weapons including truncheons, knives, or firearms and ammunition.[7]

Before that, some police forces used the pre-existing "trustworthiness" clause to disarm Jews on the basis that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'".[5]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany

It doesn't matter who it was for. Actually you are justifying my argument. You and your kind would take the guns away from your opposition and force them to your will with as little resistance as possible. Good luck with that.

I have never said anything about ISIS and gun control. Why would I even entertain such a stupid concept?

 

[Riveroaks]

And the denial continues. Thank you Mr. Obama:

Obama meets with gun control advocate Michael Bloomberg | Washington Examiner



Call Bloomeberg, because he did so well in other states, like Colorado. Oh yeah, the Democrats lost two seats in the senate and the senate majority because they listened to him in Colorado.

Bloomberg is dangerous, yes.

He is the opposite of Trump.

Bloomberg is rich and anti gun.

Trump is rich and pro gun.

I love Trump.

I hate Bloomberg.

 

[MrT]

Oh don't worry, he wants to ban handguns as well.

No, that is not true. I have changed my mind on that point (even though I always said that I only sought it in an ideal world).