• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

More proof that the God of the Bible is a lie

Slippery Slope said:
And you're not upset that, according to the state, your marriage (and the rights that go with it) have been taken away?
Click to expand...

Nothing has been taken away. Before we even married, we had power of attorney drawn up for each of us and we are one another's sole inheritors.

I certainly do not look to the state for approval of my relationships on any level and I am in no way bitter toward others for having their own personal beliefs so long as they keep the presentation of their beliefs respectful.

Do I think it is a raw deal for those who do look to the state to approve of their relationships? Yes, on an equality level I can see their perspective. But then, I'm a firm believer that if one wants to be merely equal to his peers, he has no ambition.
 
Slippery Slope said:
No one has a right to have their beliefs respected when those beliefs harm others.
Click to expand...

1) My act of believing in what I believe harms no one. I neither proselytize nor chastise anyone for their beliefs. You are, as usual, speaking in absolutes and overgeneralizations.

2) That is only your opinion which is pretty meaningless. You need to prove that a person's beliefs harm others...and remember, I said a person, not an institution. You also need to show that you are the arbiter of what is right and wrong. Let me give you a hint on that one: you are not.

3) Your attacks harm others; therefore, by your own definition, no one need respect your beliefs. Now, if that is that stance you want to take, then I suppose we should all tell you precisely where to go when you start talking.

See how this works? If you want respect, you need to give it. You don't, so it is unlikely if you will.
 
Last edited:
Slippery Slope said:
Atheists, anyone really, who doesn't stand up and shout at a group who wishes to replace social law and rights with their dogma are complicit in the damage that gets done. Then one day you wake up to find you've lost something and cry. Stand up for your rights and the progress of humanity because xians won't look out for your best interest. You simply placate them so as not to hurt their feelings. Do you think they were thinking about you when they try to sneak their dogma into or work very hard to keep something religious in the public commons and laws? Your give atheists a bad name, allow xians to do harm and I personally do not appreciate it.
Click to expand...
It's so sad that you view all Christians as the same. Maybe one day you'll understand that there are decent people in this world, and then their are horrible ones.
 
Lerxst said:
You're a blatant liar.
Click to expand...

Really? So xians aren't trying to have prayer in schools? How about having creationism or ID taught, how about demanding that a statue of the 10 commandments be placed on public property... do you need a longer list or is that enough to prove you're wrong?
 
EgoffTib said:
It's so sad that you view all Christians as the same. Maybe one day you'll understand that there are decent people in this world, and then their are horrible ones.
Click to expand...
I do realize that, I'm sorry that you can't figure out that a generalization is just a generalization and not an absolute. Or maybe it's just easier to attack me if you pretend like I'm speaking in absolutes.
 
Slippery Slope said:
I do realize that, I'm sorry that you can't figure out that a generalization is just a generalization and not an absolute. Or maybe it's just easier to attack me if you pretend like I'm speaking in absolutes.
Click to expand...
Why even speak in generalizations?
 
Slippery Slope said:
Really? So xians aren't trying to have prayer in schools? How about having creationism or ID taught, how about demanding that a statue of the 10 commandments be placed on public property... do you need a longer list or is that enough to prove you're wrong?
Click to expand...

In all those instances, CHRISTians were merely trying to not have rabid extremist atheists like you telling them what they can and cannot do OR they were trying to not have their way of life pushed out of the places it had always been welcome before.
 
Slippery Slope said:
Really? So xians aren't trying to have prayer in schools? How about having creationism or ID taught, how about demanding that a statue of the 10 commandments be placed on public property... do you need a longer list or is that enough to prove you're wrong?
Click to expand...
So do you think that all Christians are like that? I would hardly agree that even half of them care enough to get upset about ID not being taught in schools or not allowing prayer.
 
jallman said:
In all those instances, CHRISTians were merely trying to not have rabid extremist atheists like you telling them what they can and cannot do OR they were trying to not have their way of life pushed out of the places it had always been welcome before.
Click to expand...
But you don't mind the rabid extremists xians telling others what they can or can't do? I see.

If their way of life is harmful to others... With your logic we shouldn't have freed the slaves because it pushed the slave owners way of life out of the places it had always been welcome before.
 
EgoffTib said:
So do you think that all Christians are like that? I would hardly agree that even half of them care enough to get upset about ID not being taught in schools or not allowing prayer.
Click to expand...
No and I've said as much. I've also said that the moderate or liberal xians are guilty of complicity for not standing up against the radicals of their organization.
 
Slippery Slope said:
But you don't mind the rabid extremists xians telling others what they can or can't do? I see.
Click to expand...

Really? I said that? Where? I trust you will have no problem quoting the post.

If their way of life is harmful to others... With your logic we shouldn't have freed the slaves because it pushed the slave owners way of life out of the places it had always been welcome before.
Click to expand...

If you are sincerely comparing a chunk of rock displayed in a courthouse to the oppression of a people through slavery, then there is no help for you save for strong meds.
 
Slippery Slope said:
No and I've said as much. I've also said that the moderate or liberal xians are guilty of complicity for not standing up against the radicals of their organization.
Click to expand...
Ah, well I blame you for not standing up to the extremely liberal.
 
jallman said:
Really? I said that? Where? I trust you will have no problem quoting the post.
Click to expand...
By ommission. If X says something similar and you say nothing but then Y says it and you attack them...

If you are sincerely comparing a chunk of rock displayed in a courthouse to the oppression of a people through slavery, then there is no help for you save for strong meds.
Click to expand...
If that's what you think I was doing then you're not as smart as you think.
 
Slippery Slope said:
By ommission. If X says something similar and you say nothing but then Y says it and you attack them...
Click to expand...

So then, you just made that **** up, too. Glad we cleared that up.

If that's what you think I was doing then you're not as smart as you think.
Click to expand...

Except that it is EXACTLY what you tried to do.
 
EgoffTib said:
Good for you. I would bet that there are Christians who stand up to their extremist counterparts... see where I'm going with this?
Click to expand...
Is this where I'm supposed to play dumb like you guys have been doing? :roll: It's a debate forum for pete's sake.
 
Slippery Slope said:
Is this where I'm supposed to play dumb like you guys have been doing? :roll: It's a debate forum for pete's sake.
Click to expand...

True, it is a debate forum. Note that it's not an "act like a total jackass" forum. See the difference?
 
Slippery Slope said:
No and I've said as much. I've also said that the moderate or liberal xians are guilty of complicity for not standing up against the radicals of their organization.
Click to expand...

I agree with this.

Which is primarily why, I, as a moderate atheist, tend to stand up against extremist atheists who try to force their views down other people's throats or have an anti-theistic agenda that clouds their ability to reason.


I also stand up to Christian extremists who try to impose their views on me and others, but I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't also stand up to my fellow atheists when they are seeking to impose their will on the religious as well.
 
Let's focus on your comment. You said....

Because xians try to force their dogma on all of us.
Click to expand...

You are a liar. Xians or Christians include me and whole lot of people I know. We have NEVER tried to force our beliefs on anyone, let alone "all" people. Thus, you are a liar of the highest order.

Slippery Slope said:
Really? So xians aren't trying to have prayer in schools?
Click to expand...
Not mandatory prayer. Just the option for Christians to be able to voluntarily pray while on school property and not be discriminated against.
How about having creationism or ID taught,
Click to expand...
Religion is part of history, and the course was not to be forced on anyone (at least in the instances I know of). It was an elective.

how about demanding that a statue of the 10 commandments be placed on public property...
Click to expand...
How about anyone can demand anything they want? If the government put the ten commandments out on public property, it would be an act of government, not an act of the church or of "Christianity." Now I would like you to explain to me how a monument forces anything on anyone? Please.

do you need a longer list or is that enough to prove you're wrong?
Click to expand...
Well I think the length of your list is fine, it's the content you need to work on. If you want to prove me wrong, then logically I would think you would make points that actually prove me wrong.

I accused you of being a liar because you made a very dishonest generalization about Christians. And I proved to you why you were liar.

So, if you want to prove me wrong you should start by providing evidence that supports your case. Not hollow anti-Christian rhetoric.
 
Slippery Slope said:
Because xians try to force their dogma on all of us. Aren't xians bitching about Islam trying to force their dogma on them? Same thing. As an atheist, I don't like having your religious nonsense forced on me or my family.
Click to expand...

Please show where I have tried to force my dogma on you. If you cannot, or I can show evidence of any xian on this forum not forcing their dogma on you, you have been proven false. Let me give you a hint on how to avoid things like this. Make the word "SOME" your friend. Then, perhaps, you won't come across as making foolish absolutist comments.
 
Slippery Slope said:
I do realize that, I'm sorry that you can't figure out that a generalization is just a generalization and not an absolute. Or maybe it's just easier to attack me if you pretend like I'm speaking in absolutes.
Click to expand...

Maybe if you stopped speaking in absolutes, your comments would make more sense.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom