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More New Age Claptrap Being Injected Into Schools - Gardening

alright, i'll bite that apple. how, precisely, will learning to identify a rhubarb help someone succeed in whatever career path they choose?

That was never the argument. Education is about teaching skills. There are various was to go about doing this.

Inside a classroom or outside of a classroom.

We identify these skills as Key Competencies...

Key competencies / The New Zealand Curriculum / Curriculum documents / The New Zealand Curriculum Online - NZ Curriculum Online

These skills transcend content or subject.
 
It's hilarious, however, to see people consider GARDENING to be 'new age claptrap'

Isn't it really OLD FASHIONED? Cultivating plants for consumption and human use has been done for countless generations and is a practice that spans worldwide.

I wouldn't really call this a 'new' thing - like as if only hippies figured it out or something in the 60's. :lol:
 
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Well why is this even raising an issue?

What's wrong with learning how to garden?

Am I a bad parent because every year I try to get a garden going in our backyard and we eat those few fruits and veggies? My kid's schools - and my elementary schools - ALWAYS had small flower gardens that we'd help to maintain. Why not a fruit and veggie garden? - no harm could possibly come from it.

Kids ARE outside during recess: why not throw in a nature lesson or two?
Kids DO already grow the infamous beanstalk from a lima bean in a cup which quickly dies if mom/dad at home don't know how to care for it further - what's wrong with trying to expand this to a larger scale project and actually teach and learn how to care for plants?
Kids ALREADY like to dig in the dirt and pick flowers and give them to mom on mothers day - why not use this to teach some math?

Geesh people - get a life. Is this really such a horrendous thing to try to do for kids? "Nature - oh no - lets run away and hide" :roll:

What's it last anyway - a few months and then it's winter . . . a few months and then it's 120 outside? (ok, maybe that's just us during the summer) . . but seriously. No one can do anything except for hold boring class in stringent sterile classrooms in uncomfortable old school desks?

Damn - and people wonder why kids come to not like school as they grow older.

There may be an added bonus by helping "calm" ADHD kids

Of course, gardens aren’t just for parents and politicians – they have also proven beneficial for children and teens, particularly those with special needs such as Asperger’s syndrome, high-functioning autism, attention deficit disorder (ADHD), and related issues.

Studies suggest that children and teens who participate in cultivating a garden at home or at school show greater willingness to try new foods, improved eating habits and knowledge about nutrition, and increased consumption of fruits and vegetables. In a study of elementary school and junior high school students, researchers found that young people also developed more positive attitudes about environmental issues after participating in a school garden program (Waliczek, T.M., Zajicek, J.M. (1999)).

School gardening programs have also been associated with higher scores on science achievement tests and improved life skills. Studies in Bexar County, Texas showed that gardening increased self-esteem, helped students develop a sense of ownership and responsibility, helped foster relationships with family members, and increased parental involvement (Alexander, J. & D. Hendren, (1998)). In studies of children with learning disabilities, gardening was linked with enhanced nonverbal communication skills, cooperation, and relationship-building skills (Sarver, M. (1985)).

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That was never the argument. Education is about teaching skills. There are various was to go about doing this.

Inside a classroom or outside of a classroom.

We identify these skills as Key Competencies...

Key competencies / The New Zealand Curriculum / Curriculum documents / The New Zealand Curriculum Online - NZ Curriculum Online

These skills transcend content or subject.

you're circling without providing an answer.

I'm open to the notion of teaching basic machinery, work skills, work ethic, and so forth; I just want to know how this is supposed to actually improve the student's education in terms of (as you put it) their career path.
 
you're circling without providing an answer.

I'm open to the notion of teaching basic machinery, work skills, work ethic, and so forth; I just want to know how this is supposed to actually improve the student's education in terms of (as you put it) their career path.

Why does anything at all that kids do - like art, music, gym activities, singing, recess, spelling bees and science fairs - why does any of that improve a child's education?

Education isn't just reading, writing and arrhythmic. It's social, cognitive, spacial, tactile and everything else.

I'd classify plant-related study as a means of getting in some science at the least - why not? Maybe pictures in a book about bugs, dirt and fungus can be better replaced with some real-life exposure? You know: why not?

You're not really giving a reason "why not" and if you can't possible figure out what sort of physical, educational and sensory experiences might come with some outdoor class time that pictures in books can't quite address then maybe you need to pay more attention to what is out the window.
 
Why does anything at all that kids do - like art, music, gym activities, singing, recess, spelling bees and science fairs - why does any of that improve a child's education?

:shrug: i'm open to the possibility - frankly i think that it's probably a superior alternative to recess, and I think it could probably tie well into science, as well as a host of other possibilities - you're engaging body and brain together, just as the Greeks taught. I'm also on record here many times saying that we need to gear our educational system more towards vocation. I just want to know what the actual justification is, or if it's just "oh we think that this will lead to a well-rounded student capable of other buzz words enter meme here". Because I suspect the latter.
 
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Whats the justification for putting me into a shop class and making me build a rocket powered boat that shoots down a lane of water on a CO2 can? Or one made out of rubber bands and pencils. :lol:
 
:shrug: i'm open to the possibility - frankly i think that it's probably a superior alternative to recess, and I think it could probably tie well into science, as well as a host of other possibilities - you're engaging body and brain together, just as the Greeks taught. I'm also on record here many times saying that we need to gear our educational system more towards vocation. I just want to know what the actual justification is, or if it's just "oh we think that this will lead to a well-rounded student capable of other buzz words enter meme here". Because I suspect the latter.

Did you even bother to look at the link that I provided... if you did you would know the answer and that the answer is not hte latter.

It is what Auntie was talking about and more...
 
Whats the justification for putting me into a shop class and making me build a rocket powered boat that shoots down a lane of water on a CO2 can? Or one made out of rubber bands and pencils. :lol:

Man - I was so miffed in highschool when they said I couldn't be in shop class because my hair was too long.

I also hacked it all off.

Any chance that anyone ever has to expose kids to a new opportunity or interest is giving the child one more possible fun thing or even career goal to immerse their self in throughout life.

I wish I knew how to weld sooner - my husband taught me a few years ago but if I learned in highschool there would have been no stopping me when it came to my early days of home reno.
 
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There need to be more opportunities for schoolchildren of all grades to engage in productive, hands-on opportunities. A LOT more.

But they will only garner support when ridiculous arguments against them return to the asylum where they belong.
 
The leftist buzzwords fly fast and furious in this article:


"There's learning that can happen in really rich ways beyond the growing, planting and harvesting," said Rachel Martin, who co-founded a school garden at Midvale Elementary School six years ago and is now the director of the sustainable schools program for Sustain Dane, an organization that works to incorporate sustainable programs in school districts, municipal governments, business and neighborhoods.

Students can do math by counting the number of zucchini on a vine or read a book next to a cluster of sunflowers. They also can observe seasonal changes, such as what it means for a plant to go to seed in the fall and drawing pictures of decaying tomato stalks in the winter.​


What's going on here is that someone likes gardening and wants to spread the message and then they rationalize ways that gardens can help learning. "See, students can count zucchinis" and so this is a way to teach math. Yeah, well students can also count race cars so does that mean the school should take a daily trip to the race track and let students watch NASCAR?


Eventually, the group would like to pool its resources to pay someone who would travel around the Madison district, helping teachers conduct lessons related to gardening and that support a hands-on, integrated approach to learning, Michaud said. The goal is to pass on ways of living sustainably to future generations, she said. "Gardens are a big tool to do it."​


And the truth comes out - it's not really about "learning" it's about indoctrinating students into leftist claptrap about gardening being equivalent to living sustainably.


Lubarsky said students participating in a Madison School & Community Recreation program do most of the work at the garden now, but incorporating it into curriculum is "definitely a goal for the future."

Teachers don't need to go out and dig in the garden; they can simply hold math class among the tomatoes to get students thinking about the environment and being outside, he said.​


The students are used for manual labor and the organizers are going to think about how to incorporate these gardens into the curriculum sometime in the future. Again, another snippet of truth, it's about pushing a religious/environmental agenda.

If teachers want to rebut their image of being people who are extremely prone to adopting fads then then they need to be forcefully rejecting kooky ideas which are disguised as educational methods but are really implemented in order to push a religious/environmental message onto students.

gardening is not kooky. everyone should know how to grow things. slow news day, or what? there is absolutely nothing wrong with this program.
 
Holy crap, is Riverdad really arguing that ecology is a religion?
 
gardening is not kooky. everyone should know how to grow things. slow news day, or what? there is absolutely nothing wrong with this program.

I'd like details on how "Again, another snippet of truth, it's about pushing a religious/environmental agenda." Maybe it is, but I'd like to learn more about that "snippet."

Seems to me that this would be a good expenditure of time for students who aren't interested in traditional academics. Landscaping and horticultural pursuits can be very lucrative. And we need people who know how to plant and grow and tend.

Why not a little NASCAR for students who are, as used to be said, "mechanically inclined"? Let them learn math by calculating mileage or whatever.

I'm all for "engaging" students in whatever way leads to their functional literacy and other competencies, frankly. They don't seem to be able to catch the "three 'R's'" these days, so I say go with what works.
 
And the truth comes out - it's not really about "learning" it's about indoctrinating students into leftist claptrap about gardening being equivalent to living sustainably.

I really want some of what you're smoking because it leaves you senseless. Young children find it easier to grasp various concepts such as math, with tangible objects they can see and touch than intangibles. This is no plot...Lord, talk about a mountain out of a molehill.
 
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