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No, I did not overlook it, *sigh*, once more; the 20% is an estimate.
Yes, even 1% would be a problem, what about the 99% innocents you would want to keep locked up because of the 1%?
Care to address this central point I have raised?
No, you show what justifies keeping them locked up. They were released for a reason..."innocent until proven guilty" - ever heard of this?show me 99% are "innocent". And please follow along with the conversation... Its not about if they don't return to attacking us they are "innocent"...
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No, you show what justifies keeping them locked up. They were released for a reason..."innocent until proven guilty" - ever heard of this?
Care to justify incarcerating 99 not-proven-guilty persons for each 'terrorist' now, or are you going to continue to evade addressing my point?
If you're going to torture people, releasing them so they can return to their homelands and terrorist organizations is probably a bad idea. They have lots of fresh propaganda to relay back to their people, about the tales of torture chambers in U.S. detainment camps.
People kidnapped in the streets of countries not at war are not "enemy combatants".How long does one detain enemy combatants during a war?
The US has not declared any war, and GITMO detainees are not POWs.When in the history of warfare has one belgerant released its war captured during a war.
No it is not, but I note that you continue to avoid a direct answer to my point and spin the meaning of what I said.Wait we don't hold anyone ever before they are proven guilty? Is this REALLY your contribution to this thread? :lol:
People kidnapped in the streets of countries not at war are not "enemy combatants".
The US has not declared any war, and GITMO detainees are not POWs.
Jeez, dude, this is stuff which has been covered in depth years ago...
No it is not, but I note that you continue to avoid a direct answer to my point and spin the meaning of what I said.
- hardly surprising, which 'libertarian' would want to admit they support fascist policies.
There is some amount of truth to that. Certainly there were terrorists in GITMO, but we picked them up and had people turn in others for rewards and such; so not all the people there were terrorists. We took no precaution as to which group we snatched and threw in prison with no means of defense. Those who may not have been terrorists were first kidnapped basically and unlawfully imprisoned and were in contract then with actual terrorists. It is not inconceivable that when released, some that were not terrorists would resort to such as a method of retribution.
Sorry, I have done this too often over the last few years, this belongs in the realm of 'common knowledge' anybody who wants to rehash this subject should be expected to have - it's hardly news.So what percentage of people in GITMO are these, links and proof please.
No, release them in Washington D.C. near a gun shop. lolShould we release them in your town then?
You have not refuted anything I said, but pretending ignorance instead and make silly diversions like bringing my town into this.I've answered you directly on everything. The fact you do not like my answers is your tantrum, not my problem. :shrug:
What's wrong with me being a moderate?You calling yourself a "moderate" I find it ironic you want to attack me as a libertarian. :shrug:
Ok, I'm not sure if you were aware of this but these guys weren't at Gitmo for singing too loudly in the mosque. They were terrorists before or associated very closely with such. If they were trying to kill us before and someone says "Well now they're mad because their civil rights were violated".....ok WTF? :doh These people were trying to kill us before, so NOW they're mad? Then why were they so mad before?? What about the civil rights of the people in the twin towers? Does anyone not give a **** about them anymore?
I say we take no prisoners, period. You dont talk, a single .223 shot to the head and you leave in a bag. We gotta stop playing with these TERRORISTS. And stop feeling sorry for them! These were terrorists, people! These bleeding heart liberals feel worse off for terrorists trying to kill innocent Americans than for our own citizens in our own prisons being beaten for stealing money!
Whenever I can figure out the liberal mindset I will buy a lottery ticket because at that point I would have accomplished the impossible.
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(Ok, I'm not sure if you were aware of this but these guys weren't at Gitmo for singing too loudly in the mosque. They were terrorists before or associated very closely with such.)
Quote first paragraph, at the OP link.
(As many as one in five former Guantanamo Bay detainees are suspected of or confirmed to have engaged in terrorist activity after their release, U.S. officials said, citing the latest government statistics.)
Very true. But before we can say much for sure, we need numbers verified and some study as to what actually happened. No matter what we do in the meantime, we should try to actually figure out what happened.
Sorry, I have done this too often over the last few years, this belongs in the realm of 'common knowledge' anybody who wants to rehash this subject should be expected to have - it's hardly news.
No, release them in Washington D.C. near a gun shop. lol
You have not refuted anything I said, but pretending ignorance instead and make silly diversions like bringing my town into this.
Hey, I have not kidnapped anybody, this is a legacy from the Bush regime you guys in the US will have to deal with - or maybe not, just keep them in GITMO or dump them in the sea, that's what you want, Mr. Libertarian, isn't it? lol
What's wrong with me being a moderate?
Sorry if I do not fit your expectations, it's probably because I do not subscribe to the US value system, why should I, the world is much larger.
The interesting thing though is the 20% recidivism rate. People told us, "oh these were terrorists! We picked them up on the battle field!" True we picked up some on the battle field, but not all. We had cash rewards for people turning in "terrorists". We didn't have trials, we didn't do investigations, we did nothing to ensure that we were just picking up terrorists. But that's the claim, some people are blind enough to still even make that claim. They were terrorists!
Why is it then that ONLY 20% have returned to terrorist organizations? Shouldn't that number be higher? I mean, they were all terrorists right? When released, why didn't they all run back to do terrorist sorts of stuff? I would have expected something like 80+% recidivism had the "all been terrorists"
So what strikes me as funny about the 20% recidivism rate is that either GITMO was one of the most successful rehabilitation facilities ever, or not all the people in GITMO were terrorists.
People kidnapped in the streets of countries not at war are not "enemy combatants".
The US has not declared any war,
and GITMO detainees are not POWs.
Jeez, dude, this is stuff which has been covered in depth years ago...
Leave Gitmo open, we should not allow the scum in our country....
Why this is wonderful. How about a link?Just out of curiosity, I wonder how many terrorists who have been tried and convicted of terrorism in U.S. Federal courts have gone back to committing terrorists acts while in Maximum Security Prisons.:2razz::lol:
There are a group of Federal Prosecutors and investigators who have become experts at convicting terrorists in the U.S. while not compromising national security. The Judges who hear these cases follow the law. The Marshals who manage these prisoners are extremely competent and well-trained.
I don't have a problem with Gitmo, enhanced interrogations, or electrocuting someone's testicles if it will save American lives. The mistake was trying to codify it--writing memos, trying to make it legal and on the books.
Regarding the story in the OP -- I had already heard this 1 in 5 stat. How many people total are we talking about? What was the circumstances of their release from Gitmo?
Why this is wonderful. How about a link?
:yawn:I accept your concession that you lack the information to back up your claim, .
Don't believe everything you read on rabid wingnut blogs, try reading some other sources. :2razz:All you have said is unsubstantiated lunatic fringe liberal kookery! :shrug:
You haven't proved kidnappings yet punchy....
That's right."Kidnapped" on the street? :lol:
I do not follow US law.Specific Authorization the same thing, pease read your rule of law.
Yep, a deliberate attempt to create a lawless area outside the Geneva Convention.Congressionally designated enemy combatants.
Nope, both Wiki or A.I. make good starting points to inform yourself.You were wrong and making colossal errors then and now, so what?
The US has not declared any war,.......
I do not follow US law.
:yawn:
Nothing better on offer? This is boring.
Don't believe everything you read on rabid wingnut blogs, try reading some other sources. :2razz:
Is there no thread about the CIA guys convicted of kidnapping in Italy recently?
Come on, don't ask me to waste my time and point you to news headlines, I don't buy your pretended ignorance.
That's right.
I do not follow US law.
Yep, a deliberate attempt to create a lawless area outside the Geneva Convention.
Nope, both Wiki or A.I. make good starting points to inform yourself.
There is nothing extremist about logic, and no, I am not dishonest....
john wayne gacy was a lib, do you dress like a clown and entice childeren to your house? (point being,extremist logic, makes little sense, you may have one case, but you are dishonest about it, taking it to the far extreme)
...and?and yet you comment on it.
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