Hicup
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Its not punishment...its the price of doing business in this country. If you want to profit from the opportunities and resources that this country offers, you have to pay back into the system..it doesn't come for free.
Huh? Profit from the system? Is this written on your office wall or something? How profoundly progressive of you. Well, small problem with your analysis here. Profit is measured in many ways. How would you measure profit from a leech on the system? Do they profit from it, DisneyDude? The leeches profit from the opportunities, and the resources all the time, however the difference is that with them it's a zero sum game. They take out and put nothing in. If I'm starting a business, or a new country perhaps, I want the ones that put in, not the ones taking out. I want innovation, not mediocrity!
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Pelosi hinting at extending tax cuts for all.The facts are if we continue these tax cuts we will be living in the Congo. The Bush tax cuts have been in effect for almost 10 years and look where it has gotten us.
On Pelosi...
Pelosi sees no justification for high-end tax cuts | Reuters
Class warfare has terrible costs, as had The War on Poverty, and the crazy bit is... the rich in a restrictive economic climate are the ones that are best positioned to exploit weakness. They have the means to scoop up the deals and have lawyers to protect their wealth.Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenue to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits. Surely the lesson of the last decade is that budget deficits are not caused by wild-eyed spenders but by slow economic growth and periodic recessions, and any new recession would break all deficit records.
In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now. The experience of a number of European countries and Japan have borne this out. This country's own experience with tax reduction in 1954 has borne this out. And the reason is that only full employment can balance the budget, and tax reduction can pave the way to that employment. The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.
I repeat: our practical choice is not between a tax-cut deficit and a budgetary surplus. It is between two kinds of deficits: a chronic deficit of inertia, as the unwanted result of inadequate revenues and a restricted economy; or a temporary deficit of transition, resulting from a tax cut designed to boost the economy, increase tax revenues, and achieve--and I believe this can be done--a budget surplus. The first type of deficit is a sign of waste and weakness; the second reflects an investment in the future.
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Its not punishment...its the price of doing business in this country. If you want to profit from the opportunities and resources that this country offers, you have to pay back into the system..it doesn't come for free.
When corporations pay less taxes, they have more to reinvest back into their companies, which in turn, creates more tax revenue. i.e. more tax dollars for the government.
Whay is that so hard for people to understand?
You say that, as if doing business in America is already free.
Well, there is a problem with this. A BIG problem.
You are obviously very blind to it, and then you folks go on and blame others for it.
The problem is mobility. Companies are not going to sit around and be punished. They move.
Wealthy are not going to risk adding folks in a hostile environment, and when the punishment bar is lowered to $250,000 gross... hell... many will cut staff, especially in this environment.
So, you can say there is a price, and there is... just not the one you class warfare types realize.
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Trickle down economics is a shown failure. Why do you people keep tauting it. IT DOESN"T WORK....because companies that get the corporate welfare tend not to reinvest and employ more.
Not at all. You people who believe in tax cutes for the wealthiest 1% and who never saw a corporate welfare handout that they didn't like are that ones that want companies to be able to profit freely off the resources and opportunities in this great country.
Operating in the country comes with a price, responsibilities and obligations....it is the price of doing business.
Which was the biggest fault that Ronald Reagan left this country with. It used to be that companies that decided that they didn't want to pay for doing business here....and shipped jobs and/or moved overseas were punished for doing so. Reagan made it so that they could freely move our manufacturing jobs in China/India/etc...and not pay a price.....lets corporations monitor themselves.
As a result....we are still paying the price today where nothing is made in America anymore...and the corporate interests and 1% lline their pockets while the middle class shrinks.
Until we return to a policy that punishes companies for shipping out American jobs, we will continue to struggle.
Trickle down economics is a shown failure. Why do you people keep tauting it. IT DOESN"T WORK....because companies that get the corporate welfare tend not to reinvest and employ more.
Not at all. You people who believe in tax cutes for the wealthiest 1% and who never saw a corporate welfare handout that they didn't like are that ones that want companies to be able to profit freely off the resources and opportunities in this great country.
Operating in the country comes with a price, responsibilities and obligations....it is the price of doing business.
The facts are if we continue these tax cuts we will be living in the Congo. The Bush tax cuts have been in effect for almost 10 years and look where it has gotten us.
On Pelosi...
Pelosi sees no justification for high-end tax cuts | Reuters
strawman alert. I oppose progressive income taxes and I oppose corporate bailouts. who pushed the most for the GM and Chrysler bailouts? UNIONS
a failure for who? the tapeworm set? the class warfare dem income redistribution,
america became the greatest nation in the world without a confiscatory death tax and income tax
socialism is an abject failure. Ask Greece and the millions upon millions murdered in the name of making people equal
Taking our money from us in the form of taxes, then giving it back to us in the form of economic stimulus is the obvious failure. It took less than a year to prove that recyceling money isn't going to boost the economy.
While you're on the subject of corporate welfare, who was it that bailed out Chrysler and GM? How did that go for us?
That's right and the government's price for doing business in this country is already high enough. Raising that price will have a negative effect on the economy.
Thank you. Liberals and the hypocritical knots they tie themselves into. LOL
They want higher taxes for big business, but then they support stimulus bailouts for big business?
It's right up there with being pro-abortion and anti-death penalty.
No one is talking about socialism except for the right-wing radio pundits and their sheep.
No one is talking about making everyone equal.
We are talking about the cost of doing business.
Yeah because the handouts that GWB gave to the top 1% REALLY helped the economy a great deal....you people are incredible.
Funny....you got your analogy all wrong....A person CAN be pro-choice and anti-death penalty...there is nothing hypocritical about that. Most pro-choice people are against abortion, we just don't believe it is a choice for us to make.
The counter is not true. It is completely hypocrtical to be pro-life and pro-death penalty...but that doesn't stop the right-wingers from trying to use God to justify one position and turning their back on God in the other.
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