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More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

Its not punishment...its the price of doing business in this country. If you want to profit from the opportunities and resources that this country offers, you have to pay back into the system..it doesn't come for free.

Huh? Profit from the system? Is this written on your office wall or something? How profoundly progressive of you. Well, small problem with your analysis here. Profit is measured in many ways. How would you measure profit from a leech on the system? Do they profit from it, DisneyDude? The leeches profit from the opportunities, and the resources all the time, however the difference is that with them it's a zero sum game. They take out and put nothing in. If I'm starting a business, or a new country perhaps, I want the ones that put in, not the ones taking out. I want innovation, not mediocrity!


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Huh? Profit from the system? Is this written on your office wall or something? How profoundly progressive of you. Well, small problem with your analysis here. Profit is measured in many ways. How would you measure profit from a leech on the system? Do they profit from it, DisneyDude? The leeches profit from the opportunities, and the resources all the time, however the difference is that with them it's a zero sum game. They take out and put nothing in. If I'm starting a business, or a new country perhaps, I want the ones that put in, not the ones taking out. I want innovation, not mediocrity!


Tim-

lets use DD's thinking

two students go to PS 101. One studies his butt off and makes top grades, and wins a full ride scholarship to Harvard where he makes Phi Beta Kappa and goes on to Cornell Medical school. at age 40 he's making 500K a year as a heart surgeon

student two smokes dope, screws around and barely graduates. he goes to the local community college and flunks out. at age 40 he's been in and out of prison and works as a janitor in a local mall

DD thinks the first guy should be taxed 200K a year for what he got from the government which was a public school education

the other guy nothing

in reality, both were "GIVEN" the exact same thing from the government-one got to where he was by his own effort
 
The facts are if we continue these tax cuts we will be living in the Congo. The Bush tax cuts have been in effect for almost 10 years and look where it has gotten us.

On Pelosi...

Pelosi sees no justification for high-end tax cuts | Reuters
Pelosi hinting at extending tax cuts for all.
Unfortunately for D's, this plays right into the hands of R's. Why the switch now? Well, it's like their vote to send troops into harms way; political expediency.
Bait and switch.

pbrauer:
Economic illiteracy is costly.
Learn from JFK... he, like Reagan understood what Persians knew thousands of years ago. High taxes = low revenues... low taxes = high revenues. You can't collect from a dead duck.

Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenue to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits. Surely the lesson of the last decade is that budget deficits are not caused by wild-eyed spenders but by slow economic growth and periodic recessions, and any new recession would break all deficit records.

In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now. The experience of a number of European countries and Japan have borne this out. This country's own experience with tax reduction in 1954 has borne this out. And the reason is that only full employment can balance the budget, and tax reduction can pave the way to that employment. The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.

I repeat: our practical choice is not between a tax-cut deficit and a budgetary surplus. It is between two kinds of deficits: a chronic deficit of inertia, as the unwanted result of inadequate revenues and a restricted economy; or a temporary deficit of transition, resulting from a tax cut designed to boost the economy, increase tax revenues, and achieve--and I believe this can be done--a budget surplus. The first type of deficit is a sign of waste and weakness; the second reflects an investment in the future.
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Class warfare has terrible costs, as had The War on Poverty, and the crazy bit is... the rich in a restrictive economic climate are the ones that are best positioned to exploit weakness. They have the means to scoop up the deals and have lawyers to protect their wealth.

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Its not punishment...its the price of doing business in this country. If you want to profit from the opportunities and resources that this country offers, you have to pay back into the system..it doesn't come for free.

Well, there is a problem with this. A BIG problem.
You are obviously very blind to it, and then you folks go on and blame others for it.

The problem is mobility. Companies are not going to sit around and be punished. They move.
Wealthy are not going to risk adding folks in a hostile environment, and when the punishment bar is lowered to $250,000 gross... hell... many will cut staff, especially in this environment.

So, you can say there is a price, and there is... just not the one you class warfare types realize.

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When corporations pay less taxes, they have more to reinvest back into their companies, which in turn, creates more tax revenue. i.e. more tax dollars for the government.

Whay is that so hard for people to understand?

Trickle down economics is a shown failure. Why do you people keep tauting it. IT DOESN"T WORK....because companies that get the corporate welfare tend not to reinvest and employ more.
 
You say that, as if doing business in America is already free.

Not at all. You people who believe in tax cutes for the wealthiest 1% and who never saw a corporate welfare handout that they didn't like are that ones that want companies to be able to profit freely off the resources and opportunities in this great country.

Operating in the country comes with a price, responsibilities and obligations....it is the price of doing business.
 
Well, there is a problem with this. A BIG problem.
You are obviously very blind to it, and then you folks go on and blame others for it.

The problem is mobility. Companies are not going to sit around and be punished. They move.
Wealthy are not going to risk adding folks in a hostile environment, and when the punishment bar is lowered to $250,000 gross... hell... many will cut staff, especially in this environment.

So, you can say there is a price, and there is... just not the one you class warfare types realize.

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Which was the biggest fault that Ronald Reagan left this country with. It used to be that companies that decided that they didn't want to pay for doing business here....and shipped jobs and/or moved overseas were punished for doing so. Reagan made it so that they could freely move our manufacturing jobs in China/India/etc...and not pay a price.....lets corporations monitor themselves.

As a result....we are still paying the price today where nothing is made in America anymore...and the corporate interests and 1% lline their pockets while the middle class shrinks.

Until we return to a policy that punishes companies for shipping out American jobs, we will continue to struggle.
 
Trickle down economics is a shown failure. Why do you people keep tauting it. IT DOESN"T WORK....because companies that get the corporate welfare tend not to reinvest and employ more.

a failure for who? the tapeworm set? the class warfare dem income redistribution,

america became the greatest nation in the world without a confiscatory death tax and income tax

socialism is an abject failure. Ask Greece and the millions upon millions murdered in the name of making people equal
 
Not at all. You people who believe in tax cutes for the wealthiest 1% and who never saw a corporate welfare handout that they didn't like are that ones that want companies to be able to profit freely off the resources and opportunities in this great country.

Operating in the country comes with a price, responsibilities and obligations....it is the price of doing business.

strawman alert. I oppose progressive income taxes and I oppose corporate bailouts. who pushed the most for the GM and Chrysler bailouts? UNIONS
 
Which was the biggest fault that Ronald Reagan left this country with. It used to be that companies that decided that they didn't want to pay for doing business here....and shipped jobs and/or moved overseas were punished for doing so. Reagan made it so that they could freely move our manufacturing jobs in China/India/etc...and not pay a price.....lets corporations monitor themselves.

As a result....we are still paying the price today where nothing is made in America anymore...and the corporate interests and 1% lline their pockets while the middle class shrinks.

Until we return to a policy that punishes companies for shipping out American jobs, we will continue to struggle.

like many wealth redistributionists you labor under the delusion that all the top 1% are the same. Did you read the USATODAY letters today-an orthopaedic surgeon noted he's targeted for the obama tax hikes. most surgeons I know make upwards of 400K a year. They are not shipping jobs overseas. How many of the top 1% do you think have that power?
 
Trickle down economics is a shown failure. Why do you people keep tauting it. IT DOESN"T WORK....because companies that get the corporate welfare tend not to reinvest and employ more.

Taking our money from us in the form of taxes, then giving it back to us in the form of economic stimulus is the obvious failure. It took less than a year to prove that recyceling money isn't going to boost the economy.

While you're on the subject of corporate welfare, who was it that bailed out Chrysler and GM? How did that go for us?
 
Not at all. You people who believe in tax cutes for the wealthiest 1% and who never saw a corporate welfare handout that they didn't like are that ones that want companies to be able to profit freely off the resources and opportunities in this great country.

Operating in the country comes with a price, responsibilities and obligations....it is the price of doing business.

That's right and the government's price for doing business in this country is already high enough. Raising that price will have a negative effect on the economy.
 
The facts are if we continue these tax cuts we will be living in the Congo. The Bush tax cuts have been in effect for almost 10 years and look where it has gotten us.

On Pelosi...

Pelosi sees no justification for high-end tax cuts | Reuters

Those tax cuts are the only thing that's saved us; without them, we could be staring down 20 percent unemployment. You can thank Fannie and Freddie (and Frank and Dodd) for where we are, not tax cuts.

The government has no idea what to do with the taxes we pay; why in the hell do you want to give them more? You honestly believe that they would have used additional tax dollars to pay down debt? No, they would have just used it to expand the government further.

Every dollar in our hands, rather than the government's, is a small step in the right direction.
 
strawman alert. I oppose progressive income taxes and I oppose corporate bailouts. who pushed the most for the GM and Chrysler bailouts? UNIONS

Thank you. Liberals and the hypocritical knots they tie themselves into. LOL

They want higher taxes for big business, but then they support stimulus bailouts for big business?

It's right up there with being pro-abortion and anti-death penalty.
 
With a conservative circle-jerk like this, one of you is bound to nut soon.
 
a failure for who? the tapeworm set? the class warfare dem income redistribution,

america became the greatest nation in the world without a confiscatory death tax and income tax

socialism is an abject failure. Ask Greece and the millions upon millions murdered in the name of making people equal

No one is talking about socialism except for the right-wing radio pundits and their sheep.
No one is talking about making everyone equal.

We are talking about the cost of doing business.
 
Taking our money from us in the form of taxes, then giving it back to us in the form of economic stimulus is the obvious failure. It took less than a year to prove that recyceling money isn't going to boost the economy.

While you're on the subject of corporate welfare, who was it that bailed out Chrysler and GM? How did that go for us?



Funny...its worked great in this country for years. It wasn't until you had the great Reagan corporate welfare handout and the Bush deregulation that this country started to really struggle.

Remember when people could actually buy a home in this country? Remember when it was a luxury for both parents to work, not a necessity?

Don't know how old you are....but it was before Reagan destroyed our manufacturing base and the Reagan/Bush policies rewarded compnaies for shipping good paying goods overseas.
 
That's right and the government's price for doing business in this country is already high enough. Raising that price will have a negative effect on the economy.

Yeah because the handouts that GWB gave to the top 1% REALLY helped the economy a great deal....you people are incredible.
 
Thank you. Liberals and the hypocritical knots they tie themselves into. LOL

They want higher taxes for big business, but then they support stimulus bailouts for big business?

It's right up there with being pro-abortion and anti-death penalty.

Funny....you got your analogy all wrong....A person CAN be pro-choice and anti-death penalty...there is nothing hypocritical about that. Most pro-choice people are against abortion, we just don't believe it is a choice for us to make.

The counter is not true. It is completely hypocrtical to be pro-life and pro-death penalty...but that doesn't stop the right-wingers from trying to use God to justify one position and turning their back on God in the other.
 
No one is talking about socialism except for the right-wing radio pundits and their sheep.
No one is talking about making everyone equal.

We are talking about the cost of doing business.

no you aren't

a cost of doing business is not having money taken to buy the votes of who think the rich owe them something.

try again
 
Yeah because the handouts that GWB gave to the top 1% REALLY helped the economy a great deal....you people are incredible.

how is a tax break a gift unless you buy into the nonsense that the money belonged to the government in the first place?
 
Funny....you got your analogy all wrong....A person CAN be pro-choice and anti-death penalty...there is nothing hypocritical about that. Most pro-choice people are against abortion, we just don't believe it is a choice for us to make.

The counter is not true. It is completely hypocrtical to be pro-life and pro-death penalty...but that doesn't stop the right-wingers from trying to use God to justify one position and turning their back on God in the other.

BS-I am pro choice and have reservations about the DP but I am willing to kill if I have to and have in the past. a convict duly convicted of a capital crime is not innocent life. Its entirely possible to be pro death penalty and anti abortion
 
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