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Is it OK to sleep with a date if she's drunk or under the influence of drugs?
No, that's called date rape.
Is it OK to sleep with a date if she's drunk or under the influence of drugs?
I think your view on prostitution is severely biased. When the conditions are right, consensual sex does not cause or worsen illnesses or mental impairment. When prostitution is legal, it's even easier to control negative side effects such as illnesses, forced prostitution and human trafficking.
I agree that prostitution is ugly and disgusting, but I see no reason why it should be illegal. It's "mankind's oldest business" and always will be, criminalization will never make it go away, and legalization can minimize ugly problems such as violence and force around prostitution, and allows prostitutes to enjoy the same benefits other professions enjoy too, such as health control and work contracts.
So that doesn't throw a red flag up for you? Hey, here's this profession that pretty much only drug users and mentally unstable people get in to... where the women are 40 times more likely to kill themselves?
I don't know man. I think we should be helping these women, not enabling their demise. Most adults are capable of looking out for themselves, but there is a small percentage who need to be looked after. We can't just enable them to destroy themselves.
Not if you're both drunk or high. You should get your facts straight.No, that's called date rape.
the drugs infested prostitution is that which is the most visible and most talked about and is tied to the explosive use of drugs in some countries (for example the US). Prostitution is much more than that kind of prostitution. The street kind should be stamped out because it is modern slavery to some level, people are misusing the need for drugs to enslave women into prostitution.
Some kinds of prostitution should be regulated IMHO, monthly health checks, mandatory condom use etc. etc. etc. If it is legal and regulated you can check into it and make sure people aren't forced into it or get into it for drugs use, so that you can help them and take away the reasons for their prostitution. Blindly making it illegal and jailing these women is not the answer IMHO.
Aren't you going to give us a post number at least. That thread is like 40 pages long, and I don't remember you posting any links in that thread.
Chris, here's my response to all of that ...Ask nicely and you shall receive...
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Giving up your eyes for money is immoral. Selling your body for money is immoral.
Evidence?
Where on earth have you met these prostitutes? On the street? Everybody has issues with street prostitution. Most women who choose the life, become escorts. They aren't mistreated. They are well paid actresses.
This one is 43 (or more since they do lie).
Here's her rates
1 hour $450
2 hours $700
3 hours $1000
Here's her page Welcome to my virtual world
You think people push her around? Not a chance! I lived with an escort for 2 years and her customers were quite meek and well behaved.
I'm just baffled what is immoral about this. If the customer is married - he's the immoral one. If the customer, like me, isn't married, all thats happening is free trade, the essence of capitalism.
Actually it is illegal to sell your organs or anyone else's living or dead, consent or not. The only country where it is legal to buy and sell organs (trade) is Iran.
You made a lot of claims there, can you back them up with studies?
I could give you a link easy enough but seriously are you really serious? lol Where would you legally buy a kidney in the US?Link? I've never heard of such a law when it comes to an adult of sound mind consenting to it.
I don't think we should jail the women, I think we should jail the men.
Is it OK to sleep with a hooker if she's drunk or under the effects of drugs?
Chris, here's my response to all of that ...
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/163005-should-prostitution-legal-9.html#post1061952480
To which I can now add that the first statistics about underage prostitution concentrated only on street kids, not the industry as a whole.
Ask nicely and you shall receive...
How true. That's what most people against legalized prostitution seem to miss. This is the way it is now and unless something changes it will continue to stay that way. So there are only two choices that I see. One: If you're truly against prostitution and believe it's not voluntary then you need to eliminate the need for people to become and remain prostitutes. However, usually, the same people saying prostitution is wrong are the ones whining about welfare and minimum wage laws. LOL! The second option is to make it legal so it can be regulated and prostitutes can turn to the law to avoid abuse just like any other worker. That makes it safer for everyone and the community.Another thing is that he keeps mentioning children who were molested. Whether or not the industry is legal or illegal really has no bearing on whether or not someone was sexually assaulted as a child. Keeping prostitution illegal does not change those facts, and these women (or kids) are obviously still IN the industry even though it's illegal right now. So I don't understand the connection he is trying to make there. That damaged people might sell their bodies to make money? Okay, but keeping the industry illegal would certainly not change that sad fact.
But should it be that way? Should we really be allowed to take advantage of each other in such a way? I think we need to acknowledge that certain people in society are more vulnerable than others, and offer them some sort of protection.
If she's drunk or high enough that she can't give consent anymore, then no, it's not okay.
This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.
Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting. Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?
Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."
Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.
What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?
What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?
Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
Yes to everything.
Giving up your eyes for money is immoral. Selling your body for money is immoral.
Giving up your eyes for money is immoral. Selling your body for money is immoral.