Moms Demand Action Has No Business Existing

[The AntiDonald]

We get it. You're woke to the threat they represent and you want them cancelled

And these MAGAs are the loudest ones when it comes to complaining about censorship. They are the masters of hypocrites.

 

[Spock]

Do you exclude accidents when you talk about firearm violence?

Nope

You're just repeating yourself claim, still without supporting it.

The support and burden of proof should be upon firearm proponents to prove that firearm violence in America is justified.

Not interested in something purporting to be serious while beginning with baby talk.

No one is going to trick you into learning.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Firearm violence in America is preventable:

Firearm Violence in the United States | Center for Gun Violence Solutions

publichealth.jhu.edu

You do realize that the JHU Center for “Gun Violence” is part of the BLOOMBERG School of Public Health, right? Wholly funded by that anti-civil right gun control proponent Michel Bloomberg. They follow his marching orders and publish only what they are allowed to publish in order to keep the dollars flowing. It is just more propaganda.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Permissive implies a comparison to other countries. Clearly American firearm access is pathologically permissive.

Bullshit. Goalpost move noted. Firearms access in the U.S. is only “permissive” in your opinion.

Not really. Rape is a crime against the person; firearms are property.

Murder and attempted murder is a crime against the person. The firearm is a tool and has no capability to commit crime on its own.

The belief that firearm owners are not responsible for the theft of their firearms has consequently promoted unsafe storage, theft, and accidental death and injury.

I am not responsible for the actions of a criminal. If you leave your car unlocked and it gets stolen, it is not your fault. We should be able to leave our homes open and unlocked in an ideal world.

The fact that you blame firearms owners for their property being stolen is exactly the same as blaming a woman for wearing a short skirt and getting raped. Disgusting.

 

[RF667799]

Permissive implies a comparison to other countries. Clearly American firearm access is pathologically permissive.

Not really. Rape is a crime against the person; firearms are property.
The belief that firearm owners are not responsible for the theft of their firearms has consequently promoted unsafe storage, theft, and accidental death and injury.

Stealing someone's property is a crime against the person. Really. Every time.

Quit making up bullshit to try to extricate yourself from difficult positions.

 

[RF667799]

Nope

Then your argument is incoherent and intellectually crippled.

The support and burden of proof should be upon firearm proponents to prove that firearm violence in America is justified.

That's your demand, and it is not justified.

No one is going to trick you into learning.

Bring something to the table that adults can relate to. Baby talk propaganda only impresses half-wits.

 

[Spock]

You do realize that the JHU Center for “Gun Violence” is part of the BLOOMBERG School of Public Health, right? Wholly funded by that anti-civil right gun control proponent Michel Bloomberg. They follow his marching orders and publish only what they are allowed to publish in order to keep the dollars flowing. It is just more propaganda.

The operative phrase is SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH, not your anti-violence bias.
Refute the 11,000 scholarly papers studying firearm violence. Anti-intellectualism is the worst aspect of RW whacko Trumpist politics because the criticism is essentially an attempt to undermine science, knowledge, and scholarship and promote ignorance.

 

[Spock]

Bullshit. Goalpost move noted. Firearms access in the U.S. is only “permissive” in your opinion.

Some opinions are more valid reflections of reality than others.

Murder and attempted murder is a crime against the person. The firearm is a tool and has no capability to commit crime on its own.

Homicide is promoted by firearms, hence firearm as the most frequently used method of homicide.

I am not responsible for the actions of a criminal. If you leave your car unlocked and it gets stolen, it is not your fault. We should be able to leave our homes open and unlocked in an ideal world.

You are responsible for preventing theft of dangerous devices.

The fact that you blame firearms owners for their property being stolen is exactly the same as blaming a woman for wearing a short skirt and getting raped. Disgusting.

You might have an argument if gun nut groups advocated for secure storage of ALL firearms. The NRA has opposed laws that would require that of gun owners.

 

[RF667799]

The operative phrase is SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH, not your anti-violence bias.
Refute the 11,000 scholarly papers studying firearm violence. Anti-intellectualism is the worst aspect of RW whacko Trumpist politics because the criticism is essentially an attempt to undermine science, knowledge, and scholarship and promote ignorance.

When confused; When in doubt
Talk shit; Whip Trump out

 

[Spock]

Stealing someone's property is a crime against the person. Really. Every time.

Robbery is a crime against the person; simple theft is a property crime, last time I looked.

Quit making up bullshit to try to extricate yourself from difficult positions.

My arguments seem so strange to you because you have been indoctrinated and live in a fantasy world that ignores firearm violence.

 

[RF667799]

Some opinions are more valid reflections of reality than others.

Homicide is promoted by firearms,

They must be extraordinarily ineffective at those promotion efforts.

hence firearm as the most frequently used method of homicide.

Something is always going to be "most frequently used".

You are responsible for preventing theft of dangerous devices.

You might have an argument if gun nut groups advocated for secure storage of ALL firearms. The NRA has opposed laws that would require that of gun owners.

The Constitution forbids your extremism.

 

[Spock]

Then your argument is incoherent and intellectually crippled.



That's your demand, and it is not justified.

Since firearms are a luxury and fundamentally unnecessary device, those who possess them are obligated to justify firearm acquisition policies.

Bring something to the table that adults can relate to. Baby talk propaganda only impresses half-wits.

Expert studies in National Library of Medicine totaling more than 11,000 publications on firearms and health should be your first resource.

 

[RF667799]

Robbery is a crime against the person; simple theft is a property crime, last time I looked.

It's not a crime against property. You've devolved into babbling.

My arguments seem so strange to you because you have been indoctrinated and live in a fantasy world that ignores firearm violence.

Your arguments aren't strange.

When they aren't banal boilerplate, they're incoherent muttering.

 

[Spock]

They must be extraordinarily ineffective at those promotion efforts.


Something is always going to be "most frequently used".

Reliably it will be firearms, when they are available.

The Constitution forbids your extremism.

No. SCOTUS has falsely failed to define "infringed" and allowed wide-spread proliferation.

 

[RF667799]

Since firearms are a luxury and fundamentally unnecessary device, those who possess them are obligated to justify firearm acquisition policies.

You've never proven you have the capability to determine the needs and values of other people, despite being given a specific challenge to aid you in that.

Your argument can be disregarded as begging the question.

Expert studies in National Library of Medicine totaling more than 11,000 publications on firearms and health should be your first resource.

"Somewhere, something proves me right. I just can't muster the intellectual horsepower to find it and incorporate it into my lame arguments."

 

[RF667799]

Reliably it will be firearms, when they are available.

No. SCOTUS has falsely failed to define "infringed" and allowed wide-spread proliferation.

"Falsely failed"

Babble.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Some opinions are more valid reflections of reality than others.

Only in the opinion of someone who is arrogant.

Homicide is promoted by firearms, hence firearm as the most frequently used method of homicide.

Bullshit.

You are responsible for preventing theft of dangerous devices.

100% of the fault belongs to the criminal. No surprise to find you pro-criminal.

You might have an argument if gun nut groups advocated for secure storage of ALL firearms. The NRA has opposed laws that would require that of gun owners.

How do you enforce a safe storage law without violating the 4A? What your side proposes renders homeowners defenseless against criminals. That is what the NRA opposes. Your position is pro home invader.

 

[Spock]

You've never proven you have the capability to determine the needs and values of other people, despite being given a specific challenge to aid you in that.

Your argument can be disregarded as begging the question.

Logic would dictate that the primary value of luxury items is for non-essential indulgence and, hence, not for a need but a want.

"Somewhere, something proves me right. I just can't muster the intellectual horsepower to find it and incorporate it into my lame arguments."

You should familiarize yourself with the literature on firearm violence. Your posts do not demonstrate the slightest familiarity.

"Falsely failed"

Babble.

I am sure that the most informed and erudite explanation will be inscrutable to you.

 

[RF667799]

Logic would dictate that the primary value of luxury items is for non-essential indulgence and, hence, not for a need but a want.

Are you just about to define the term you've been babbling about?

You should familiarize yourself with the literature on firearm violence. Your posts do not demonstrate the slightest familiarity.

Not interested in fairy tales.

I am sure that the most informed and erudite explanation will be inscrutable to you.

Tell us how something "falsely fails". That's random words smashed together.

 

[Spock]

Only in the opinion of someone who is arrogant.

The greatest failing of conservatives is the assumption that every opinion is equally valuable. So we get things like equating evolution with intelligent design and the commentary of Rush Limbaugh with academicians. Failure to vet opinion from uninformed and unqualified authorities has been all too common by Trump supporters primarily.

Bullshit.

100% of the fault belongs to the criminal. No surprise to find you pro-criminal.

You must think that property owners have no responsibility for the safe and secure care of their property-- pools, dogs, explosives, structurally deficient building, all come to mind. Firearms, since they are inherently dangerous, are a special concern and anyone who owns a firearm should be held responsible for keeping them out of the hands of children, the suicidal, criminals or misfits.

How do you enforce a safe storage law without violating the 4A? What your side proposes renders homeowners defenseless against criminals. That is what the NRA opposes. Your position is pro home invader.

Irrelevant question and not worth a discussion. Somehow other threats to public health manage to be regulated.

 

[Spock]

Are you just about to define the term you've been babbling about?



Not interested in fairy tales.

Tell us how something "falsely fails". That's random words smashed together.

Phone a friend for help with comprehension.

 

[RF667799]

Phone a friend for help with comprehension.

I take it you won't be defining the term a substantial part of your argument is based on. Those carrying on about "needs" seldom will. It would close the door to equivocation.

 

[Spock]

I take it you won't be defining the term a substantial part of your argument is based on. Those carrying on about "needs" seldom will. It would close the door to equivocation.

You have documented an unwillingness to read expert analysis, an tendency to eschew logic, and a desire to invent your own language. Communication will be difficult.

 

[CLAX1911]

Firearm violence in America is preventable:

Firearm Violence in the United States | Center for Gun Violence Solutions

publichealth.jhu.edu

What was gun control that would make it worse. If you empower criminals with the inability of citizens to defend themselves it will just lead to more victimization.

 

[Rich2018]

Mussolinian Adolf Hitler disagrcan't

Equivocation fallacy

Hitler initiated a program of federal highway building
Does that mean that President Eisenhower, who did the same 20 years later, was a fascist ?

Maybe not whatever fascism is in your head but nobody does.

To reiterate, you don't know what fascism is, which is not all that surprising given that your education didn't progress beyond high school
Yet you pretend that you do, like many posters on here.

They wish to eliminate Liberty all Liberty they may be too dumb to understand this but I think that's what the leaders of it are counting on.

Nope, you're focusing on a symptom, not the cause

I wouldn't consider them liberals in the classical sense but if we're talking about the modern day anti-capitalist liberal which is anti-liberal oddly enough yeah they're 100% like that that's exactly the same philosophy they were living by. In fact if you translate some of Hitler's speeches you can't tell the difference between them and Bernie Sanders.

Anti-capitalist liberals ?
Do you know how nonsensical that is ?

Liberalism is the opposition to controls. ie: the free market and capitalism. Opposing capitalism is NOT liberalism

Bernie Sanders argues for greater social democracy. Learn the difference.

Simplifying and misrepresenting other people's arguments is kind of your bag it's what you have to do when you want something that's wrong.

No, that's exactly what you do
Caused in no small part by your limited education.