Moms Demand Action Has No Business Existing

[Spock]

How is it that all the wild claims you make are necessary?

And of course, the whole idea of demanding people "justify" their needs, is that you may subsequently marginalize and demean those needs.

Except that would also be an admission of the existence of those needs.

You picked a real, first rate loser of an argument to clutch to your bosom.

Firearm use is different from whatever other particular hobby one might choose. Firearms are inherently dangerous. The function of firearms is to contain and provide limited direction to a projectile propelled by a chemical reaction.

Do you think that everyone who "wants" something explosive really "needs" it?

 

[Spock]

There doesn't seem to be a connection offered supporting the causality you imply.

You see no connection between firearms and firearm death and injury... enough said. Obvious problem.

 

[JMB1911A1]

The problem is that the activities you find enjoyable involve firearms and the current American policies on firearms have resulted in 100,000+ deaths and injuries. Surely you do not want that situation to continue.

Nothing I do is responsible for the actions of criminals. Once again, your arrogance is insulting to every law abiding gun owner in the U.S.

 

[RF667799]

My evaluation stands until someone can convincingly demonstrate that there is a "need" for firearms.
I am reading confusion about "want" vs "need" in all the posts on that topic.

I give you credit for not being confused, and also credit you for trying to form a duplicitous argument based on equivocation. You're getting closer and closer to exposing the equivocation, all on your own.

The giveaway is that you claim to be able to determine the needs of the entirety of the world.

 

[RF667799]

You see no connection between firearms and firearm death and injury... enough said. Obvious problem.

There's a tautological connection formed by coupling two nouns together. That doesn't show causality.

There's nothing offered to show that Person A murdered Person B because Person C had a gun.

 

[RF667799]

Firearm use is different from whatever other particular hobby one might choose. Firearms are inherently dangerous. The function of firearms is to contain and provide limited direction to a projectile propelled by a chemical reaction.

Do you think that everyone who "wants" something explosive really "needs" it?

You'll not carry the argument by appealing to a special pleading fallacy.

You should have put "really" in the scare quotes as you creep closer to exposing your equivocation.

The thing is, I could expose it whenever I like. But I don't see the need when it's so enjoyable to witness your struggle.

 

[Peter]

Because the lords, kings, and queens have largely ignored the benefits of firearm ownership as might be experienced by those considered inferior, and only considered their own self interest.

There are some fine firearms made in the UK, and they are readily available to those of considerable means. Ever wonder about that?

If the rich are found with handguns they will go to prison the same as everyone else as handguns are banned in the UK.
It's not a law that sneaky lawyers can get around.

There are no benefits to owning a firearm in the UK.

 

[RF667799]

If the rich are found with handguns they will go to prison the same as everyone else as handguns are banned in the UK.
It's not a law that sneaky lawyers can get around.

There are no benefits to owning a firearm in the UK.

Then why do people acquire and own them? Especially considering the obstacles placed in their path?

 

[Rich2018]

If the rich are found with handguns they will go to prison the same as everyone else as handguns are banned in the UK.
It's not a law that sneaky lawyers can get around.

There are no benefits to owning a firearm in the UK.

Neither are there any in the USA except recreation
And fun comes a very poor second to human life.

 

[CLAX1911]

The problem is that the activities you find enjoyable involve firearms

That's your problem. If you have a problem with people owing guns too bad.

and the current American policies on firearms have resulted in 100,000+ deaths and injuries.

Are you suggesting that hobbyists are causing death?

Surely you do not want that situation to continue.

If I thought giving up my guns would stop violence I'd have given them up. Having them is more likely to stop violence.

 

[RF667799]

Neither are there any in the USA except recreation
And fun comes a very poor second to human life.

That's a judgement you have to make on your own.

 

[CLAX1911]

If the rich are found with handguns they will go to prison the same as everyone else as handguns are banned in the UK.
It's not a law that sneaky lawyers can get around.

There are no benefits to owning a firearm in the UK.

Yeah no benefits just children being stabbed to death that's much better than "man threatening kindergarten children with a knife shot and killed by bystander with a gun."

 

[Rich2018]

That's your problem. If you have a problem with people owing guns too bad.

You have a problem with people trying to get guns banned - too bad.

If I thought giving up my guns would stop violence I'd have given them up. Having them is more likely to stop violence.

In economics that's called "The Prisoner's Dilemma" model.

 

[Peter]

Then why do people acquire and own them? Especially considering the obstacles placed in their path?

Possession of a handgun is a crime in the UK.

Firearms | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

 

[RF667799]

You have a problem with people trying to get guns banned - too bad.

You're badly losing the argument supporting banning guns. Especially that tragically stupid idea of banning all guns and then allowing the administration to exempt whatever they like.

In economics that's called "The Prisoner's Dilemma" model.

 

[CLAX1911]

What is your comment about "Defensive Gun Use" is not "what-about-ism" ?

No it's suggesting there is a benefit that outweighs the drawback by 30 times to private ownership of guns.

That's directly addressing the only point you make with something very much on the topic.

But you also seek to deflect by conveniently ignoring that the UK does have much "Defensive Gun Use"

I'm not interested in the UK. I'm not advocating for gun ownership in the UK. Bringing up something unrelated to prop up a poor argument is not a good argument.

And again, I wonder why ???

You're saying what about UK I'm pointing out why it doesn't matter.

 

[CLAX1911]

Possession of a handgun is a crime in the UK.

Firearms | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

No free speech either.

 

[RF667799]

Possession of a handgun is a crime in the UK.

So? We were discussing firearms in general, and you moved the goalposts. I figured I would let you get away with it for awhile, to show how bankrupt are your arguments.

 

[CLAX1911]

You have a problem with people trying to get guns banned - too bad.

Yep I have a problem with your fascism if it was more than just bloviating on the internet. I have guns so too bad for fascists.

In economics that's called "The Prisoner's Dilemma" model.

Lots of weird names in economics. Attempting to elicit emotional reactions is pathetic non argument.

 

[CLAX1911]

So? We were discussing firearms in general, and you moved the goalposts. I figured I would let you get away with it for awhile, to show how bankrupt are your arguments.

In the UK is kind of like when somebody makes a threat and adds in Minecraft to avoid lawsuits.

 

[Spock]

Nothing I do is responsible for the actions of criminals. Once again, your arrogance is insulting to every law abiding gun owner in the U.S.

Your firearms were acquired most likely through the permissive policies currently in effect in America. Personal firearms also become tempting bait for theft. The overall firearm prevalence has produced the excessive firearm causality situation and, for that reason, you are part of the problem.

 

[Spock]

I give you credit for not being confused, and also credit you for trying to form a duplicitous argument based on equivocation. You're getting closer and closer to exposing the equivocation, all on your own.

The giveaway is that you claim to be able to determine the needs of the entirety of the world.

You remain silent on justification for "need".

 

[Spock]

There's a tautological connection formed by coupling two nouns together. That doesn't show causality.

I don't think any intelligent person will claim that there is no connection between firearms in America and firearm violence. It is too obvious to deny.

There's nothing offered to show that Person A murdered Person B because Person C had a gun.

Not the issue. But your straw man is noted.

 

[Spock]

You'll not carry the argument by appealing to a special pleading fallacy.

You should have put "really" in the scare quotes as you creep closer to exposing your equivocation.

The thing is, I could expose it whenever I like. But I don't see the need when it's so enjoyable to witness your struggle.

Remind me of the secret plans Trump has (and Nixon had). You cannot define your need, but continue to invoke it.
Bogus.
There are no "secret" solutions to the firearm problem in America. The solutions relate to the prevalence of firearms.

 

[CLAX1911]

Your firearms were acquired most likely through the permissive policies currently in effect in America. Personal firearms also become tempting bait for theft.

So the only reason anybody ever steals something is because you have the audacity to own it? You shouldn't get coverage on insurance if someone steals your car because you bought it to bait theft.

If your credit card is stolen and 5000 in debt is charged to it you should be forced to pay it because you were baiting theft by having it.

The overall firearm prevalence has produced the excessive firearm causality situation and,

That's false. Casualties are caused by mostly suicidal thoughts guns are simply a means. Murder is cases by murderous thoughts guns are just a means.

for that reason, you are part of the problem.

Part of a false and very poorly reasoned problem? Your personal problems?

Who cares. Your mental health is nobody's concern but yours