Moms Demand Action Has No Business Existing

[Spock]

That would depend on the jurisdiction you're in, some jurisdictions allow greater levels of force to be used more freely than in other jurisdictions.

That seems strange. Shouldn't self-defense be universal?

If somebody is attacking you with a deadly weapon you can use a deadly weapon. If somebody is coming at you with a gun, you should be able to use a gun. If somebody is coming at you with a knife, I believe most jurisdictions would also allow you to use a gun in such a situation. If somebody is coming at you with their bare hands, you should be able to fight back with your bare hands.

So Geoge Zimmerman should not have shot Travon Martin....

 

[Felis Leo]

You're not a woman so why do you care?

Because I respect women as fellow citizens, believe in the Constitution, and am not a Fascist incel? Take your pick. Any and all apply.

 

[Lursa]

Because it's the anti gun women who don't use guns, just like how men don't get pregnant, and as such they shouldn't have a voice in the issue.

Anti-gun men dont use guns either . So...your post isnt rational. Here's more food for thought, even if the abortion argument was valid (which IMO it's not).

Only women get pregnant so you believe it's ok to exclude men from weighing in on the issue.

With guns, both men and women own and carry firearms...so why cant both men and women weigh in on either side of the issue?

 

[DebateChallenge]

That seems strange. Shouldn't self-defense be universal?

But it isn't.

So Geoge Zimmerman should not have shot Travon Martin....

If somebody is coming at you with their bare hands, and they're of the same gender as you and roughly the same age and same size, at the very least you should be able to fight back with your bare hands. Aside from that, whether or not a greater level of force should be allowed depends on the situation.

 

[Spock]

But it isn't.

If somebody is coming at you with their bare hands, and they're of the same gender as you and roughly the same age and same size, at the very least you should be able to fight back with your bare hands. Aside from that, whether or not a greater level of force should be allowed depends on the situation.

Essentially we are left with a lot of people with lethal weapons the use of which is influenced by judgment, emotion, personality, and situation. Given that human judgment is frequently compromised, all that seems like a good argument NOT to use a gun for self-defense.

 

[multivita-man]

The organization Moms Demand Action which is an anti 2A anti gun rights organization should not exist. A mom is a female parent so with a name such as Moms Demand Action it implies that it is an organization run by women and as I said before, women have no business being against gun rights and being anti 2A and those that are should have no voice in that particular matter. So Moms Demand Action has no business even being in existence.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Essentially we are left with a lot of people with lethal weapons the use of which is influenced by judgment, emotion, personality, and situation. Given that human judgment is frequently compromised, all that seems like a good argument NOT to use a gun for self-defense.

That depends, if a woman is being attacked by a larger stronger man a gun can be very effective for self defense in such a situation.

 

[Spock]

That depends, if a woman is being attacked by a larger stronger man a gun can be very effective for self defense in such a situation.

What happens when a child picks up a loaded weapon or when a homeowner mistakes their spouse for an intruder or when a severely depressed male has access to a firearm?

 

[RF667799]

What happens when a child picks up a loaded weapon or when a homeowner mistakes their spouse for an intruder or when a severely depressed male has access to a firearm?

Deflection.

 

[Spock]

Deflection.

Just as irrelevant as the @DebateChallenge comment

That depends, if a woman is being attacked by a larger stronger man a gun can be very effective for self defense in such a situation.

What happens when a child picks up a loaded weapon or when a homeowner mistakes their spouse for an intruder or when a severely depressed male has access to a firearm?

 

[RF667799]

Just as irrelevant as the @DebateChallenge comment

No, it was a deflection because of the pretense that it was a relevant response to him.

 

[Spock]

No, it was a deflection because of the pretense that it was a relevant response to him.

An irrelevant response to an irrelevant statement serves to demonstrate the uselessness of that sort of statement as an argument.
You should stop claiming that your personal testimony has any probative value as well.

 

[911Sparky]

The organization Moms Demand Action which is an anti 2A anti gun rights organization should not exist. A mom is a female parent so with a name such as Moms Demand Action it implies that it is an organization run by women and as I said before, women have no business being against gun rights and being anti 2A and those that are should have no voice in that particular matter. So Moms Demand Action has no business even being in existence.

I don't think they are seeking, or need your approval.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Over 200 posts in the thread and the OP *still* cannot defend his assertion that a group should cease to exist because he says so.

 

[Rich2018]

That's true for some people.

Those "some people" are known as gun owners.

Guns are an excellent and extremely effective means of self defense.

Trouble is they're also an excellent and extremely effective means of homicide, and particular mass homicide (mass shootings).

There is at least one privately owned gun for every US citizen, some estimates put it at closer to two guns per citizen, how do you expect them to all be collected?

Excuse#3.1:

1. Gun ownership is a "natural" right that supersedes any law or constitution

2. Guns are needed because:
2.1 Some people live so far away from a supermarket, that they need guns to provide food
2.2 Without guns, they'd be murdered/robbed/raped with a day/week/month/year (delete as appropriate)

3. Gun Control is impossible anyway because:
3.1 There are too many guns in circulation even for a country as powerful as the USA to collect
3.2 Even if a gun ban was imposed, law enforcement would refuse to enforce such laws.

Some would refuse, but more importantly, people would refuse to turn them in.

An assertion without any evidence
Indeed, the empirical evidence is that gun owners would meekly hand over their guns upon request.

 

[Rich2018]

You're not a woman so why do you care?

DC, you're the king of dodge. You said:

....as I said before, women have no business being against gun rights and being anti 2A and those that are should have no voice in that particular matter. So Moms Demand Action has no business even being in existence.

In post#150 I asked you: "what has abortion got to do with it ?"

Do you consider that women are some kind of second class of citizen ?

You didn't answer


In your opinion:
Should only alcoholic law makers pass laws on drunk driving ?
Or people with fast cars determine speed limits ?
Should only addicts write drugs laws ?
Should single, childless adults be prohibited from working in child protection services ?

 

[Spock]

Those "some people" are known as gun owners.



Trouble is they're also an excellent and extremely effective means of homicide, and particular mass homicide (mass shootings).



Excuse#3.1:

1. Gun ownership is a "natural" right that supersedes any law or constitution

2. Guns are needed because:
2.1 Some people live so far away from a supermarket, that they need guns to provide food
2.2 Without guns, they'd be murdered/robbed/raped with a day/week/month/year (delete as appropriate)

3. Gun Control is impossible anyway because:
3.1 There are too many guns in circulation even for a country as powerful as the USA to collect
3.2 Even if a gun ban was imposed, law enforcement would refuse to enforce such laws.



An assertion without any evidence
Indeed, the empirical evidence is that gun owners would meekly hand over their guns upon request.

Although gun redemption, buy-back, turn-in programs would be helpful, especially if there is sufficient compensation, they can all to easily be replaced.
The firearm reduction program worked in Australia after Port Arthur because gun sales were restricted AND gun were bought back.
In all likelihood the program would be costly but given the 500 billion dollar expense for dealing with 100,000 deaths and injuries there would likely be a net benefit.

In some ways the firearm violence problem resembles the homeless problem. It is cheaper to pay for housing than to pay for police response, emergency interventions, and emergency room healthcare, but society cannot understand that calculation. For firearms, society just cannot see a benefit to reduction in firearm prevalence even though it would save lives and treasure.

 

[Fledermaus]

The organization Moms Demand Action which is an anti 2A anti gun rights organization should not exist. A mom is a female parent so with a name such as Moms Demand Action it implies that it is an organization run by women and as I said before, women have no business being against gun rights and being anti 2A and those that are should have no voice in that particular matter. So Moms Demand Action has no business even being in existence.

"women have no business being against gun rights"

According to whom?

 

[Rich2018]

Although gun redemption, buy-back, turn-in programs would be helpful, especially if there is sufficient compensation, they can all to easily be replaced.
The firearm reduction program worked in Australia after Port Arthur because gun sales were restricted AND gun were bought back.
In all likelihood the program would be costly but given the 500 billion dollar expense for dealing with 100,000 deaths and injuries there would likely be a net benefit.

In some ways the firearm violence problem resembles the homeless problem. It is cheaper to pay for housing than to pay for police response, emergency interventions, and emergency room healthcare, but society cannot understand that calculation. For firearms, society just cannot see a benefit to reduction in firearm prevalence even though it would save lives and treasure.

No gun buy back program can yield significant results, unless the supply is turned off
ie: with a gun ban.

 

[Peter]

The organization Moms Demand Action which is an anti 2A anti gun rights organization should not exist. A mom is a female parent so with a name such as Moms Demand Action it implies that it is an organization run by women and as I said before, women have no business being against gun rights and being anti 2A and those that are should have no voice in that particular matter. So Moms Demand Action has no business even being in existence.

This has to be a contender for worst opening post of the year.

Bravo!!!

 

[Bodecea]

Moms Demand Action is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Michael Bloomberg civilian disarmament complex. We are expected to believe that a public relations expert just happened to start this effort on her own and ended up bankrolled by the biggest supporter of gun control in the country.

And what a perfect name. Every time I hear “Mons Demand Action”, I wonder what Shannon Watt’s OnlyFans account is.

"Mons Demand Action"...............

 

[Spock]

No gun buy back program can yield significant results, unless the supply is turned off
ie: with a gun ban.

I would be happy to see a dramatic reduction in production of, and access to, handguns.

 

[Bodecea]

Yes we do have the 1st Amendment but it doesn't apply to women who are anti gun rights, for that particular issue.

I would tell them that they shouldn't exist, and that they should disband and keep their mouths shut about being against gun rights.

What a fascinating look...................

 

[RF667799]

An irrelevant response to an irrelevant statement serves to demonstrate the uselessness of that sort of statement as an argument.

Thanks for admitting to the uselessness of your statement.

You should stop claiming that your personal testimony has any probative value as well.

 

[Bodecea]

Men with guns are afraid of women with voices?

You'd be surprised at how much they are terrified of.