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Modern Way to Cheat on Homework

I never said spelling doesn't matter, I said using up all that time on spelling is a waste of time. Kids can learn to spell rather quickly while reading and writing. You can see if a child can spell by reading their papers. You don't need weekly spelling drills, they don't work well at teaching a child to spell. That's been studied for years.

You'll probably hate the way I approach a child's curriculum.

I homeschooled, and my kids all spell better than me. We never had a spelling lesson, not one. Instead my kids wrote stories in clubs through the internet. They made sure they had a story that was well written because it was a reflection of them. They learned whatever they wanted. I wasn't giving weekly tests, or checking there work for errors. They checked it.

My daughter now has a 4.2 gpa and has every year through her university life. She'll graduate with honors in a year as an Engineer. They taught themselves what they needed to know, and with technology that was an easy thing to do. My older daughter is a graphic artists, because she loves art. Spent most of her time perfecting it from a young age. She's landed a great job at a game company in Sweden where her fiancé lives.


One size doesn't fit all. Each student is different, and even my kids differed in their own unique way. The Nordic Countries have a saying, "What ever it takes" and will do whatever they need for each student. Have smaller classrooms, and the same teacher for years. Allow them space and time to learn.

America's "one size fits all approach" is lacking in my opinion. Computers are a must in every classroom because they're apart of daily life now, but if a child doesn't like learning on a computer, then they can try another way. But, to say computers don't catch a homonym is very narrow minded to me. There are a thousand ways to learn grammar. My kids learned it so they wouldn't embarrass themselves in their creative writing clubs, and role playing adventures because they loved it. The computer was just a useful tool to watch instruction. It was efficient.

Cursive writing was never an interest of my children, they never learned it. They've never needed it. If a child wants to learn it, then they will. I don't think it should be required, I think that would be a waste of time. My son has a special interest, pen pals all over the world. He likes traditional mail, so that's what he does. I think it all depends what interests the child has. Then they have the will.

I hope we learn to trust children more, and stop testing them to death. All that's done is take the joy out of learning all these wonderful things and I do hope we stop teaching like we're herding cattle in this country.

:) My approach isn't for everyone. Whatever works.
You're trying to tell me that correct spelling being a waste of time isn't synonymous with "doesn't matter." :rolleyes:

If you home-schooled, I think that's great. Results are what matter, and your children seem to have profited greatly from it.

But you're entering into my area of particular expertise when you broach the topic of writing itself. You are mistaken if you think that computers not catching homonym areas is unimportant. I've always earned part of my living editing for publication, and this is because a computer will not catch all the errors. A human must do that, and that human must be able to recognize the error. Sometimes this includes, believe it or not, the grammar of a chemical engineering equation listed under a Figure. Ask your daughter to ask her profs who publish if an editor is required to review their writing. Trust me when I teach you this mantra: If YOU wrote it, you won't catch all the mistakes and need a fresh eye. Period.

As for cursive writing, I wasn't aware either of how significant it is in brain development until about 7 years ago when I had a pediatrician's wife in one of my classes and she researched this. When writing in cursive, you exercise an important part of your brain that is not used when word-processing, and, in fact, there is more cross-hemispherical activity. All sorts of good articles on the cursive debate are out there, but here is a quickie summary: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article...asons-why-cursive-handwriting-good-your-brain

Have you considered the changes to society itself once only a very, very few people can read cursive handwriting? Do we want a society that is a pyramid with only, say, clerics and scholars able to read cursive?
 
You are mistaken if you think that computers not catching homonym areas is unimportant. I've always earned part of my living editing for publication, and this is because a computer will not catch all the errors.

Yet. AI will get so good, that when matched to an individual human author, it will know what the author meant to say.

At what point we accept that humans will have supportive AI throughout their careers, or alternatively ban individually supportive AI's in education and in careers, I expect will will always expect kids to pass final exams without any AI assistance. Otherwise, it becomes a contest of AI's and pretty much a contest of money available to the student.
 
Yet. AI will get so good, that when matched to an individual human author, it will know what the author meant to say.

At what point we accept that humans will have supportive AI throughout their careers, or alternatively ban individually supportive AI's in education and in careers, I expect will will always expect kids to pass final exams without any AI assistance. Otherwise, it becomes a contest of AI's and pretty much a contest of money available to the student.
You're probably right about the burgeoning impact of AI, but I'm not worried yet about human beings being entirely displaced. But I will say this, that I worked for an AI research facility whose contracts were strictly military, and it was back then in the early 90's that I decided that where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.
 
I obviously don't agree.

We're getting to the point where teachers can no longer tell who wrote a paper and who had an AI write it. Schools need to progress with the times, businesses aren't going to wait on our lack of modern education, they'll just hire from other countries.

I think it's doing a disservice to American kids. Already 51% of jobs are highly susceptible to automation. Why send your child to school for that many years for nothing?

We need more automation design and technology taught at a young age and less unless skills. A lot of foreign countries are ahead of us in this. How long will we wait?
School should be a living progressing experience. Kids get to college and freak out because they don't know anything useful. We should fix that.
That’s giving way too much creditability to AI
 
Eeeeek! Computers won't catch a homonym error! And you can't trust spell/grammar-checks either; you have to KNOW!

I won't lie; I truly grieve for the many, many hours I spent in the stacks in grad school...all the paper I ripped out of the typewriter and wadded up into balls...and I LOVE the Internet. I look stuff up continually, and what a miracle to just Google and to have electronic library sharing and etc. Word-processing and the ability to just cut-and-paste!

But when you say that spelling doesn't matter, you're veering into philistine territory. Spelling matters. Cursive writing matters too.

Cursive writing doesn’t matter. It has no intellectual impact. It is strictly for looks and educationally superficial.
 
Apparently you are in the same boat as the person I responded to previously. You dont understand the reason for the necessity of being able to do things manually and learning to do that before doing it digitally. It is the fundamental foundation and understanding that underlies everything else. Knowing the fundamentals provides the ability to operate outside the digital sphere. This can be important because the power does go out and you may need to do something manually. How many people cant make change? Or add and subtract without a calculator? Quite a few these days.

I am in full agreement. I am glad that I went to school in the age of manual learning being widespread. But all is not lost. When I retired from my accounting job my replacement that I trained told me that in his college accounting courses he had to do everything on paper and written in pen. Doing things manually really makes the basics sink in and become a natural part of your thinking so that even when you use technology you will be aware of any glitches that may occur. Computers are not perfect. I remember having a calculator that went bad in the early days of their use. Computer programs can be poorly written and give bad results that must be found and corrections made to the software. This happened to me in my job with fixed asset software incorrectly calculating depreciation. When I manually calculated it I found it. The problem is that people look at computers as a replacement for their brains, and not as a tool to aid their brains, just like a slide rule was once used. My father used a slide rule in his job and I learned from him how to use it. The basics really need to be in our brains, not just in our machines.
 
Cursive writing doesn’t matter. It has no intellectual impact. It is strictly for looks and educationally superficial.
And yet you acknowledge that "Doing things manually really makes the basics sink in and become a natural part of your thinking so that even when you use technology you will be aware of any glitches that may occur." I find hilarious your arrogant dismissal of the value of cursive handwriting as "ducationally superficial when you clearly haven't read up.:


2. Importance of Cursive Handwriting in Education In the early stages of child learning and development, handwriting provides a direct connection or pathway between the brain and the hand for developing literacy. The complex motor processes needed for handwriting, spelling, and compositional writing requires an integration that reinforces language skills in the developing brain. Research has shown that spelling, reading, and writing are reinforced when handwriting is involved (Edwards, 2003; Graham et al., 2000; Jones & Christensen, 1999; Maeland & Karlsdottir, 1991). According to Berninger and Amtmann (2003), “handwriting is more than just a motor act…handwriting is ‘language by hand’” (p. 346). However, if handwriting is not learned properly, the interference of poor handwriting acquisition can have an inhibitory effect on compositional writing (Edwards, 2003). There are few motor tasks that link the body and the brain so intimately as handwriting. The fine motor skill required for handwriting in combination with short-term and long-term memory and language acquisition has benefits for the developing brain that few other activities can replicate. It has been found that a multi-sensory or kinesthetic approach to learning benefits both disabled and non-learning disabled children (Stempel-Mathey & Wolf, 1999; Laszlo & Broderick, 1991). Handwriting is a multi-sensory activity that helps with fine motor coordination, memory, and cognitive development. Adams (as cited in Stempel-Mathey & Wolf, 1999) states that handwriting “may contribute valuably toward the development of those fine motor skills that determine the willingness as well as the ability to write” (p. 258). Researchers have found that without proper handwriting instruction, children can have difficulty in reading and writing specifically in tasks such as retrieving letters from memory, reproducing letters on paper, accurate spelling, and extracting meaning from text (Berninger, 2012; Case-Smith, 2012; Peverly, 2012). Neurological studies on how the brain responds to different tasks involving text showed that there was significantly more brain activation when children wrote letters than when they typed or traced letters (James, 2012). https://www.researchgate.net/profil...national-Campaign-for-Cursive-Handwriting.pdf

 
You're trying to tell me that correct spelling being a waste of time isn't synonymous with "doesn't matter." :rolleyes:

If you home-schooled, I think that's great. Results are what matter, and your children seem to have profited greatly from it.

I'm just giving you my opinion. I was trying to explain that I think there's more effective ways for students to learn spelling. It's a waste of time to have weekly spelling drills. I do not think learning to spell is unimportant. I think the way we teach it is inefficient. Most schools are switching to "word study." Children receiving a fixed set of words on Monday and testing on Friday couldn't spell those same words a week later. Teaching students about the patterns in groups of words and how to use them when writing simply teaches them how to spell, instead of how to memorize them for short recall. It's more efficient. The old method wasted time and the outcomes were poor. Studying words has not changed.


I think that humans will adapt to what a computer can and can't do. They'll fill in the gaps. Computers are just useful aids. We still learn on them.
There has always been people concerned at every corner we've turned throughout history. The industrial age was no different. We haven't lost hand crafted items, nor the skills you need to do them just because machines made production more efficient. You can find them on places like Etsy, and they're unique from duplicated items you find in Walmart, that's the appeal. There are stores dedicated to hand crafted items. Someone has to build the machine to do them, they need that understanding and skill, but mandating everyone to learn it just to store the knowledge in our brains is a waste of time. At anytime in a persons life they can learn a skill. Youtube is full of people teaching skills. You don't stop learning when you turn 18. I'm 50 and just learned to change the oil in my car. It took about an hour.

The Information Age will be the same. We already rely heavily on computers, and the internet. Phones aren't just for talking anymore. You can do everything you can do on a computer on your phone, Efficiency is what people are attracted to. We communicate now more than we ever have, and that has become the new norm. When you hold that back from children, you are holding back their ability to fit into this century. They won't learn the necessary social skills of their time, and how to avoid the dangers.

Can you cheat using your smart phone? Yes, but you could cheat before you used your smart phone. It's not the devise that makes you a cheater.

Cursive writing is an amazing writing style. If you want to learn cursive writing, you can. Some will make a living using cursive writing, just like making things by hand. It's unique. I don't think it should be mandatory, it should be a choice. It's no longer useful on a large scale. We have script for that, and you can turn anything you write into cursive in a second with one click. Again, efficient.

Robots are the next wave of efficiency. They will replace the need for humans in many areas. I think it's only wise to prepare our children. We should also start preparing for how we will live as a society when jobs are lost, and replaced with robotics. We can't stop it, nor do I believe we should. We need to adapt. Trying to stop it only delays our response and leaves us unprepared.

I understand the love of what's familiar, and what we thought was important. Things change so fast now, it's not that long ago that a book bag was necessary but today a computer bag has taken over. It's lighter, and all the knowledge from those books can be found in this device. What if it breaks? You fix it. You reload your stored data and continue on with your life. That's todays reality.

In the near future you won't need any bag to carry to school. You might not be needing to go anywhere. I'll probably be guarded and taken care of largely by a robot when I'm old. My kids will talk to me through a large screen or home device. I might have a robot dog. lol

My son has a passion for hobbies involving old craftmanship. He also likes the slower pace of doing things by hand, learning by book, he loves the feel and smell of paper. So he does. If that's what you like then just do what you like. He makes things out of wood, and cloth. He loves to sew and cross stitch. He gardens. He's an old soul. Just because the majority of people are moving forward and love the efficiency technology brings doesn't mean you have to. It just means you have more options. My sons now making a living off his crafts and he enjoys his peaceful life.

Most of our businesses will pick what's efficient, it's increases profit. We can't stop that train, never could. We might as well be prepared so the impact is minimum.
 
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That may work for spelling (and it did for me) but to learn what words MEAN requires something more than just reading the same word in context, over and over.

Consider the widely-misused word "exponential." If the first half dozen times you hear it you think from the context it just means "increasing alarmingly" then you're either confused or uninterested when you later read it in a scientific or mathematical context.

Another word that bothers me but not as much, is "existential." Even in the sense "a threat to the existence of" it is often used hyperbolically. When someone says "a an existential threat to Western culture" I can't take them seriously
I agree. Which is why I think the old weekly spelling cram doesn't work. Words should mean more at the time they're taught. That's all I'm saying. I should have been clearer in my explanation. I don't think teaching spelling separate from writing is efficient, or beneficial. When I see that "list" of spelling words for the week I cringe.
 
The Information Age will be the same. We already rely heavily on computers, and the internet. Phones aren't just for talking anymore. You can do everything you can do on a computer on your phone, Efficiency is what people are attracted to. We communicate now more than we ever have, and that has become the new norm. When you hold that back from children, you are holding back their ability to fit into this century. They won't learn the necessary social skills of their time, and how to avoid the dangers.

Can you cheat using your smart phone? Yes, but you could cheat before you used your smart phone. It's not the devise that makes you a cheater.

Cursive writing is an amazing writing style. If you want to learn cursive writing, you can. Some will make a living using cursive writing, just like making things by hand. It's unique. I don't think it should be mandatory, it should be a choice. It's no longer useful on a large scale. We have script for that, and you can turn anything you write into cursive in a second with one click. Again, efficient.

Robots are the next wave of efficiency. They will replace the need for humans in many areas. I think it's only wise to prepare our children. We should also start preparing for how we will live as a society when jobs are lost, and replaced with robotics. We can't stop it, nor do I believe we should. We need to adapt. Trying to stop it only delays our response and leaves us unprepared.

I understand the love of what's familiar, and what we thought was important. Things change so fast now, it's not that long ago that a book bag was necessary but today a computer bag has taken over. It's lighter, and all the knowledge from those books can be found in this device. What if it breaks? You fix it. You reload your stored data and continue on with your life. That's todays reality.

In the near future you won't need any bag to carry to school. You might not be needing to go anywhere. I'll probably be guarded and taken care of largely by a robot when I'm old. My kids will talk to me through a large screen or home device. I might have a robot dog. lol

My son has a passion for hobbies involving old craftmanship. He also likes the slower pace of doing things by hand, learning by book, he loves the feel and smell of paper. So he does. If that's what you like then just do what you like. He makes things out of wood, and cloth. He loves to sew and cross stitch. He gardens. He's an old soul. Just because the majority of people are moving forward and love the efficiency technology brings doesn't mean you have to. It just means you have more options. My sons now making a living off his crafts and he enjoys his peaceful life.

Most of our businesses will pick what's efficient, it's increases profit. We can't stop that train, never could. We might as well be prepared so the impact is minimum.
My business is academia, so perhaps my opinion doesn't matter. But I don't regard cursive handwriting as quaint or inefficient either--depends on the task. Of course, both you and I have the tremendous advantage of being able to both word-process and write by hand, and it is the loss of stimulation to critical parts of the brain that concerns me. Ideally, we want students' brains to be stimulated in every way possible, but most students can't read cursive either. So what happens to teachers' or profs' comments on written work?

Note: I began teaching online in 1999, and all of my grading was, of course, electronic. So very helpful for profs willing to take the time to mark errors and explain them (but even more time-consuming than marking by hand). The second LED overheads were placed in the classroom, I was able to employ both old-school and new-school techniques and toggle back and forth from screen to white board ("chalk" as in "chalk and talk"). What I want is strengthening and versatility of brain use. Don't try to paint it as being "old-fashioned" or a preference for a slower pace.
 
My business is academia, so perhaps my opinion doesn't matter. But I don't regard cursive handwriting as quaint or inefficient either--depends on the task. Of course, both you and I have the tremendous advantage of being able to both word-process and write by hand, and it is the loss of stimulation to critical parts of the brain that concerns me. Ideally, we want students' brains to be stimulated in every way possible, but most students can't read cursive either. So what happens to teachers' or profs' comments on written work?

Note: I began teaching online in 1999, and all of my grading was, of course, electronic. So very helpful for profs willing to take the time to mark errors and explain them (but even more time-consuming than marking by hand). The second LED overheads were placed in the classroom, I was able to employ both old-school and new-school techniques and toggle back and forth from screen to white board ("chalk" as in "chalk and talk"). What I want is strengthening and versatility of brain use. Don't try to paint it as being "old-fashioned" or a preference for a slower pace.
I'm not sure why you're so upset, but I apologize if my post made you feel like your profession doesn't matter. My father was a professor, and my mother was a teacher, I understand and respect what you do. Of course your opinion matters to me or I wouldn't be having a conversation from you. I was under the impression we were sharing our opinions.

By saying my son appreciated old fashion methods doesn't mean I think your methods are old fashion. I was just trying to show you my youngest, surrounded by all this technology still found appreciation for older methods of learning, and art. Just because we don't teach it actively doesn't mean people will forget it, and never use it or appreciate it. I just don't think it's required by all, there are choices and that's great. I think children work well when they take control of their learning journey. That's just my opinion.

If you like to mix old with new then good for you. If it's successful, even better. I don't think you should eliminate technology for the sake of past methods. That's all. No harm meant, we can both have different outlooks on education and still want the best outcome for students. That we share.

It was nice hearing about you methods. "Chalk and talk" sounds awesome. :)
 
I am in full agreement. I am glad that I went to school in the age of manual learning being widespread. But all is not lost. When I retired from my accounting job my replacement that I trained told me that in his college accounting courses he had to do everything on paper and written in pen. Doing things manually really makes the basics sink in and become a natural part of your thinking so that even when you use technology you will be aware of any glitches that may occur. Computers are not perfect. I remember having a calculator that went bad in the early days of their use. Computer programs can be poorly written and give bad results that must be found and corrections made to the software. This happened to me in my job with fixed asset software incorrectly calculating depreciation. When I manually calculated it I found it. The problem is that people look at computers as a replacement for their brains, and not as a tool to aid their brains, just like a slide rule was once used. My father used a slide rule in his job and I learned from him how to use it. The basics really need to be in our brains, not just in our machines.
Yeah, we're not quite to that point with input, but eventually we will be. The computer is only as good as it's programer. lol
At the end of the day tho, we can't possibly retain every bit of knowledge, past and present just incase. At least not all of us. Something has to give.
People are pretty forgiving. I don't know many grammar nazi's left on the net. Most people accept the mistake as just that, and still understand the content of the information.
 
I'm not sure why you're so upset, but I apologize if my post made you feel like your profession doesn't matter. My father was a professor, and my mother was a teacher, I understand and respect what you do. Of course your opinion matters to me or I wouldn't be having a conversation from you. I was under the impression we were sharing our opinions.

By saying my son appreciated old fashion methods doesn't mean I think your methods are old fashion. I was just trying to show you my youngest, surrounded by all this technology still found appreciation for older methods of learning, and art. Just because we don't teach it actively doesn't mean people will forget it, and never use it or appreciate it. I just don't think it's required by all, there are choices and that's great. I think children work well when they take control of their learning journey. That's just my opinion.

If you like to mix old with new then good for you. If it's successful, even better. I don't think you should eliminate technology for the sake of past methods. That's all. No harm meant, we can both have different outlooks on education and still want the best outcome for students. That we share.

It was nice hearing about you methods. "Chalk and talk" sounds awesome. :)
I'm not at all upset.

"Chalk and talk" or "brick and mortar" is just a way to refer to the traditional classroom as opposed to the cyber-classroom. I've enjoyed both, but doing both at the same time is very difficult, and if you do it right, distance-teaching takes much more time--early mornings on the weekends and all weekends as well as every work day. The benefit is the opportunity to work one-on-one with a student, and in this litigious era, another great benefit is that absolutely everything is documented. It's definitely not for everybody on either side of the lectern.
 
And yet you acknowledge that "Doing things manually really makes the basics sink in and become a natural part of your thinking so that even when you use technology you will be aware of any glitches that may occur." I find hilarious your arrogant dismissal of the value of cursive handwriting as "ducationally superficial when you clearly haven't read up.:


2. Importance of Cursive Handwriting in Education In the early stages of child learning and development, handwriting provides a direct connection or pathway between the brain and the hand for developing literacy. The complex motor processes needed for handwriting, spelling, and compositional writing requires an integration that reinforces language skills in the developing brain. Research has shown that spelling, reading, and writing are reinforced when handwriting is involved (Edwards, 2003; Graham et al., 2000; Jones & Christensen, 1999; Maeland & Karlsdottir, 1991). According to Berninger and Amtmann (2003), “handwriting is more than just a motor act…handwriting is ‘language by hand’” (p. 346). However, if handwriting is not learned properly, the interference of poor handwriting acquisition can have an inhibitory effect on compositional writing (Edwards, 2003). There are few motor tasks that link the body and the brain so intimately as handwriting. The fine motor skill required for handwriting in combination with short-term and long-term memory and language acquisition has benefits for the developing brain that few other activities can replicate. It has been found that a multi-sensory or kinesthetic approach to learning benefits both disabled and non-learning disabled children (Stempel-Mathey & Wolf, 1999; Laszlo & Broderick, 1991). Handwriting is a multi-sensory activity that helps with fine motor coordination, memory, and cognitive development. Adams (as cited in Stempel-Mathey & Wolf, 1999) states that handwriting “may contribute valuably toward the development of those fine motor skills that determine the willingness as well as the ability to write” (p. 258). Researchers have found that without proper handwriting instruction, children can have difficulty in reading and writing specifically in tasks such as retrieving letters from memory, reproducing letters on paper, accurate spelling, and extracting meaning from text (Berninger, 2012; Case-Smith, 2012; Peverly, 2012). Neurological studies on how the brain responds to different tasks involving text showed that there was significantly more brain activation when children wrote letters than when they typed or traced letters (James, 2012). https://www.researchgate.net/profil...national-Campaign-for-Cursive-Handwriting.pdf


Manually can mean hand printing or using a typewriter or even yes, manually typing into a document that resides in a computer. I don’t see the art of cursive as being critical to communicating ideas. It is the putting together of sentences and paragraphs in a coherent way that matters, and cursive is a valid way but not essential to this task. All of these ways are physical and do the same thing. The ability to write cursive and spell correctly are not essential to cognitive development.
 
Manually can mean hand printing or using a typewriter or even yes, manually typing into a document that resides in a computer. I don’t see the art of cursive as being critical to communicating ideas. It is the putting together of sentences and paragraphs in a coherent way that matters, and cursive is a valid way but not essential to this task. All of these ways are physical and do the same thing. The ability to write cursive and spell correctly are not essential to cognitive development.
Well, never mind the fact that mastery of a task or skill does strengthen cognitive development. If you will take the time to read my posts in this thread, you'll see that what I have specifically addressed is the role of cursive writing in stimulating parts of the brain that word-processing does not.
 
Well, never mind the fact that mastery of a task or skill does strengthen cognitive development. If you will take the time to read my posts in this thread, you'll see that what I have specifically addressed is the role of cursive writing in stimulating parts of the brain that word-processing does not.

I don't have to believe in the powers of cursive writing just because the source you linked suggest that it does. Your source, which I am unable to access in full, refers to pre-literate children and what I could quote says "Handwriting therefore may facilitate reading acquisition in young children." Nothing definitive in that statement.

Then I went to the next article and found this short piece from another study, "Our findings provide evidence against claims that either learning to write by hand or learning to write digitally (typing supported by text-to-speech) are inherently better for students’ learning of written composition, at least across their first year of writing instruction."

So the bottom line really is that studies can be found to support many points of view on the importance or lack thereof of cursive writing. There is no final definitive word on the subject. My stance is that learning things manually is in general a good foundation to have before using technology which performs some of the same mundane tasks. Cursive can be a plus for some and not for others. Everyone learns and develops their cognitive functions differently and has different cognitive strengths and weaknesses. Flexibility is the key, but with an emphasis on first developing the brain as independently of technological aids as possible. But in some cases, technology may provide a better path.
 
It's about time we switch how we teach children. The Industrial Age classroom just won't work for kids growing up in the digital age.
Chat GPT is in the classrooms already. I had students prepare notes for a chapter. One student handed in a nicely written 3 paragraph essay that didn't include one section of the text chapter.

The giveaway...perfect spelling and grammar. My point however, is that the horse is out of the barn. Time to move away from creating cogs in the machine. My vision is that we go to real computer learning, the kind of learning that can adjust to individual needs in an instant. Teachers? They'll be in the classroom helping individual students as the need arises.
 
Chat GPT is in the classrooms already. I had students prepare notes for a chapter. One student handed in a nicely written 3 paragraph essay that didn't include one section of the text chapter.

The giveaway...perfect spelling and grammar. My point however, is that the horse is out of the barn. Time to move away from creating cogs in the machine. My vision is that we go to real computer learning, the kind of learning that can adjust to individual needs in an instant. Teachers? They'll be in the classroom helping individual students as the need arises.
I'm onboard with that!
Customizable and efficient. Heck, kids might get a shorter work week. That approach also coincides with what most of the world is doing right now.
 
I'm onboard with that!
Customizable and efficient. Heck, kids might get a shorter work week. That approach also coincides with what most of the world is doing right now.
Individualized education is almost absent in todays classrooms. We all learn differently.
 
I'm onboard with that!
Customizable and efficient. Heck, kids might get a shorter work week. That approach also coincides with what most of the world is doing right now.

Individualized education is almost absent in todays classrooms. We all learn differently.

While I sympathize with this, I still think it is important to have in our brains the understanding that technology is not the source of information, just a different way of storing information. We still need to be able to critically assess all information, not matter where it comes from. The problem with technology is how it s often trusted too much and how it offloads much of the mental exercise that brains need to be able to gather and assess information.
 
While I sympathize with this, I still think it is important to have in our brains the understanding that technology is not the source of information, just a different way of storing information. We still need to be able to critically assess all information, not matter where it comes from. The problem with technology is how it s often trusted too much and how it offloads much of the mental exercise that brains need to be able to gather and assess information.
I don't disagree. There are however, a number of classes where all work could be completed with a google search

Technology is already changing the plasticity of our brains. I fear that horse has left the barn.
 
Individualized education is almost absent in todays classrooms. We all learn differently.
Yet another reason to support homeschooling.
 
While I sympathize with this, I still think it is important to have in our brains the understanding that technology is not the source of information, just a different way of storing information. We still need to be able to critically assess all information, not matter where it comes from. The problem with technology is how it s often trusted too much and how it offloads much of the mental exercise that brains need to be able to gather and assess information.
I understand having the feeling. Luckily there are other activities and hobbies like music, gaming, reading that stretch the mind so you can connect those nerves. lol

The amount of information kids take in today just dwarfs what it did before the info age. Both good and bad unfortunately. But that's always been and will always be the case with every new age we evolve into.

Today, having the basics at arms reach on a smart phone so that you can pay attention to the difficult mind bending problems is just really time saving. It will always be there and in the future it will be even easier. Basic math, grammar, spelling, to me are just like learning to get dressed, and go potty. After that, I think using a device is fine. You're into something much bigger and you can't do all of that manually anymore. I think it's just like an aid.

But, everyone has a different take on this and that's good, a combination usually works the best. I've seen some pretty impressive classrooms lately. Really up to date, and individualized. I might not have had to school at home if they were available when my kids were young. That would have been awesome. I'm glad to see it now.
 
So that way your student can avoid socialization and qualified teachers?
As I have posted MANY times, homeschoolers have plenty of opportunities for "socialization." And if you mean by "qualified" you mean parents who have earned a teaching certificate or who hold a Bachelor's, I can only laugh. Most of the curricula need only facilitators. I know both parents who are professionals and hold multiple degrees and those who completed only high school whose children have been very successfully homeschooled (including one of my students who was only 15 and enrolled in engineering at a major university known for its engineering programs on a full-ride plus $50K in scholarships).

You're repeating mistruths from the '80's, frankly.
 
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