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My personal beliefs are that all those who are presented with the Gospel and chose to reject it will go to hell for eternity. I think there is grace for those who never heard and for children who die before they can make an informed decision. I do know that in Christianity it is God's will that every nation on earth know the Gospel and God says that He will not bring about the final judgement until the Gospel has been spread to all nations. God is the judge and as far as what I get from the Bible I know that it is His will to spread the truth, but it is also up to Him to decide how to judge those that died without knowing.
Feed the body and the soul. I've been on a mission trip to Haiti. We brought food, water, clothes, medicine and built homes and churches for them. We also had a Bible school where I taught as a teacher with a translator. At the Bible school kids also got food and supplies to bring to school. The mission I went with was a compound that is active and takes volunteer groups who help out. They provide the children with an education and food, they help prop up much of the needy families in the area and they are really the only form of aid that these people get. We never denied anyone aid because they didn't want to convert. We didn't go around knocking on huts with Bible tracts asking if they would like to convert. We provide aid and help in the name of Jesus as Jesus did. From a Christian perspective there are people out there that are starving to death without proper medical care that are lost and will die and go to hell. If you treat only the physical needs while offering nothing to help the spiritual then you've only treated half of the problem.
I have relatives who are going (for a second time) to Africa to talk about Jesus.
This is something I really despise about Christianity and Christians. They are converting people by dangling a cheerio in front of them.
The people I know who go on mission trips (and there are a good many of them I know personally), go on medical service trips to provide medicine, surgeries, vaccinations, or other medical-related services. They are Christian, but what they are doing is service to their fellow man, free of charge, and for the good of humanity. I have no problem with that whatsoever.
Did you make this comment when the Muslim salesmen began moving into Africa or do you confine your hate to the Christians?
I have relatives who are going (for a second time) to Africa to talk about Jesus.
This is something I really despise about Christianity and Christians. They are converting people by dangling a cheerio in front of them. The people to whom they try to sell Jesus and Christianity just want the food and water. I wonder how many of them actually care or just want the aid. These people do not have the luxury of shutting the door in the bible salesman's face. They need the help. Humanitarian aid is much more pure and does not have some hidden agenda.
And they do it, very often, a real risk to themselves.
"Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me."
I have relatives who are going (for a second time) to Africa to talk about Jesus.
This is something I really despise about Christianity and Christians. They are converting people by dangling a cheerio in front of them. The people to whom they try to sell Jesus and Christianity just want the food and water. I wonder how many of them actually care or just want the aid. These people do not have the luxury of shutting the door in the bible salesman's face. They need the help. Humanitarian aid is much more pure and does not have some hidden agenda.
Did you make this comment when the Muslim salesmen began moving into Africa or do you confine your hate to the Christians?
Where did he say he HATED Christians, Ray? SHOW IT!
Where did he say he HATED Christians, Ray? SHOW IT!
Well, I guess if you consider the words hatred and despised synonymous.........
This is something I really despise about Christianity and Christians
What is remarkable about this thread is that the atheists and homosexuals simply cannot accept that someone would do anything without a personal profit motive.
That is an enlightening illustration regarding the pathology of lacking the capacity for faith and hope.
Since we're arguing semantics now.......After reading Ray's post that you quoted, I don't think that this was what Ray said either. I don't think he actually claimed that OP said that he "hated Christians."
Darn those evil Christians, giving people food and water and aid and teaching them about sanitation and medicine, how DARE they tell people about the one thing that most changed their life for the better and offer them an opportunity to learn more about it!
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Some people need to grow the frack up and find something real to whine about. Like maybe the American pastor under sentence of death in the Middle East for daring to teach Christianity to interested parties.
The decision to divert limited resources toward the construction of churches in locations where educational and medical facilities are in short supply should be criticized by anyone with genuine interest in the welfare of others. With as much poverty and illness present in the world, there is no excuse to prioritize the construction of a church.
My personal beliefs are that all those who are presented with the Gospel and chose to reject it will go to hell for eternity.
Perhaps, even though we may have to agree to disagree on despise being synonymous with hate. I do not like proselytizing no matter who is doing it in the name of whomever. Does that mean therefore I do not like Christians? K=P can despise proselytizing and still like or love his Christian grandparents. It is proselytizing that K=P said he despised. With respect, I think some people jumped the gun (Ray of course has a huge Christ chip on his shoulder) on this and took K=P's statement to mean something he didn't say.
I don't know the statistics on it, or even if there are any, but I would be willing to bet you that most Christians don't like proselytizing either. Many would probably say they despise it, my Christian wife would be one of them. I can assure you my Christian wife doesn't despise Christians. If Buddhists continued to ring the door bell and ask about our karma. If Buddhists witnessed her at work and social gatherings she'd despise that too. So would I.
hate
/hāt/
Verb
Feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone): "the boys hate each other".
Noun
Intense or passionate dislike: "feelings of hate".
Synonyms
verb.
detest - abhor - loathe - abominate - execrate - dislike
noun.
hatred - odium - abhorrence - detestation - loathing
Soooo, if they haven't heard the Gospel they will likely go to Heaven by default. But by traveling to those communities and teaching them the Gospel you are now introducing the chance they will go to Hell for eternity?
The op's first sentence in his post declared that he despises Christians. Despise is clearly hatred. Personally, I don't care if he hates Christians or not, but if he doesn't, then he should have made that clear.
As for proselytizing, yeah, I tend to agree with you, but the people I know who go on mission trips, aren't proselytizing. They are providing humanitarian services in poor areas of the world.
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