Minnesota suspected assassin Vance Boelter captured alive after intense manhunt for fatal shooting of Dem pol, spouse: report

[reinaert]

You may have missed the point as the many here represent the very few in the real world.

This is also the real world. Many people are rather terminally online. And expressing opinions to and with pseudonyms has been mainstream since before AOL.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Sure, just like he was a "fan" of those on his hit list.

Why is there so little thought put into your posts?

No need to lash out.

 

[Emlee]

No bond.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

If it's many, it's probably not fringe.

The amount of active posters here is tiny compared to the amount of people in the world, tiny as in grain of sand sort of level.

And this place does tend to attract and unfortunately retain people with extremely polarized views. And though I think this does reflect the greater culture to some extent, most of the active posters here feel very strongly one way or the other.

I should let him say it, but that's what I took from the word fringe. And that's what I believe.

 

[TangoNoCash]

The right wing attempts to reframe this have been well..
sad.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

No need to lash out.

if you are going to do something....

 

[Linuxcooldude]

And there you have it. A MAGA protecting Fox/Newsmax so that Fox/Newsmax can continue doing their disgusting things.

Disgusting things like actually reporting the news?

 

[reinaert]

The amount of active posters here is tiny compared to the amount of people in the world, tiny as in grain of sand sort of level.

Nah. You're fishbowling a global condition as if people in Botswana aren't also online, and this is some kind of special circumstance.

And this place does tend to attract and unfortunately retain people with extremely polarized views.

Nah. This is a moderated forum; it's mostly civil, and it's ****ing got nothing on reddit, 4chan or that sewer, Facebook. Never mind Musk's bot training website, or Telegram.

The world is online. Everyone, everywhere.

And though I think this does reflect the greater culture to some extent, most of the active posters here feel very strongly one way or the other.

Most people feel strongly. It's not a feature of pseudonymous forums.

I used to run bars and nightclubs. You know what can never happen, here. Hospital calls and bouncers having to hand people with strong feelings and opinions off to irritated cops.

I should let him say it, but that's what I took from the word fringe. And that's what I believe.

The center never stays put. And if a lot of people coalesce around a notion, it's not fringe anymore.

 

[Hatuey]

Everyone is extreme but meeeeee, look at my lack of bias!

So much attention seeking from the tribe.
I could never.

 

[Artymoon]

This is also the real world. Many people are rather terminally online. And expressing opinions to and with pseudonyms has been mainstream since before AOL.

This is a fraction of the real world so small you couldn't even see it represented on a chart

I should let him say it, but that's what I took from the word fringe. And that's what I believe.

I use fringe to describe people of any leaning that are so entrenched that nothing could move them off a position and they will likely only see things one of two ways: my way and the wrong way.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Interesting. You think he'll get the Full Luigi Mangione?

I think you really hit onto something here. These two cold-blooded murderers are not the same, but there is some crossover.

I will be very, very surprised if we see our culture do the thing we did with Mangione. A significant portion of society lionized him, made him a hero.

I don't think so.

No one seems to see Boelter in a positive light. Nor should they.

But the Mangione murderer is almost Luke Skywalker for some people.

 

[reinaert]

This is a fraction of the real world so small you couldn't even see it represented on a chart

That's you wanting it to be a distinction. As MAGA has demonstrated beyond doubt, the online and the meatspace are not distinct. They overlap, because they are not separable from each other.

It's also just kinda lazy to separate the online from the real. It's all really happening.

I use fringe to describe people of any leaning that are so entrenched that nothing could move them off a position and they will likely only see things one of two ways: my way and the wrong way.

It's not on me that you want to convey as minority that which is not. 30% of this country is redhatted, for starters. 35-40% Americans view socialism favorably, according to Pew. Not fringe, either.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Disgusting things like actually reporting the news?

"fair and balanced" "whatever he said"

 

[Nickyjo]

This line of thought has completely taken me by surprise honestly.

There's absolutely no way Trump would pardon this murderer. No way.

Agreed. Trump’s other pardons, of Jan 6 rioters and of soldiers who committed war crimes whom our own military prosecuted aren’t the “bridge to far” that a pardon in this case would be.

 

[reinaert]

Interesting. You think he'll get the Full Luigi Mangione?

You didn't ask me, but it's an interesting question.

I don't think so. Assuming Mangione's guilt as a first condition, the reason he got folk hero treatment right out the gate, regardless of the political alignment of respondents, is because the behavior of Brian Thompson's assassin already conformed to an existing American mythos about white and black hats, lone gunmen, the frontier ethic, the distribution of power, and honorable conduct. And Thompson is himself an unsympathetic figure, the sort of person a masked gunman might shoot down and still retain the needed element of honor.

If Thompson's killer had gunned down Thompson's wife, and shot their dog, and had to force another spouse into getting shot to protect a child, nothing of the folk hero mythos would have attached to him.

Also, the Minnesota killer was partisan, went after women, had a kill list, and perhaps importantly, looks creepy and has creepy videos of himself doing intensely religious scolding. That's never going to be a folk hero.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Agreed. Trump’s other pardons, of Jan 6 rioters and of soldiers who committed war crimes whom our own military prosecuted aren’t the “bridge to far” that a pardon in this case would be.

Whether those pardons are, as you say, a bridge too far is fodder for endless debate here on this forum. But I am willing to bet that pardoning this douche would be a bridge too, too, too, too, too far. It's just another league.

 

[Artymoon]

That's you wanting it to be a distinction. As MAGA has demonstrated beyond doubt, the online and the meatspace are not distinct. They overlap, because they are not separable from each other.

It's also just kinda lazy to separate the online from the real. It's all really happening.

I can't speak for other sites, I'm merely citing this one. But using this one as an example, how often are you coming across people in your daily life who possess this level of fervor and zeal? Me, very few.

It's not on me that you want to convey as minority that which is not. 30% of this country is redhatted, for starters. 35-40% Americans view socialism favorably, according to Pew. Not fringe, either.

I'm not talking about specific issues. I challenge you to interact with a few random real world acquaintances and ask them about details of this case. Ask them about L.A. Heck, I had a work friend who was like what in the world is no kings? I'm merely pointing out that the people here are ultra plugged in and ultra entrenched in their positions as witnessed by these posts. The average joe is not that entrenched and immovable thankfully.

 

[Hatuey]

Agreed. Trump’s other pardons, of Jan 6 rioters and of soldiers who committed war crimes whom our own military prosecuted aren’t the “bridge to far” that a pardon in this case would be.

Ngl, ya almost had me with how you started that post.

 

[Bodecea]

So, right wing nutjob, after all.

Who could have guessed?

Very interested in finding out who has helped him.

 

[reinaert]

I can't speak for other sites, I'm merely citing this one. But using this one as an example, how often are you coming across people in your daily life who possess this level of fervor and zeal? Me, very few.

I drive a lot. Most cars leave little doubt as to politics.

I just think your dichotomy is arbitrary and lacking cause.

I'm not talking about specific issues. I challenge you to interact with a few random real world acquaintances and ask them about details of this case. Ask them about L.A. Heck, I had a work friend who was like what in the world is no kings? I'm merely pointing out that the people here are ultra plugged in and ultra entrenched in their positions as witnessed by these posts. The average joe is not that entrenched and immovable thankfully.

I wouldn't extrapolate your one interaction with one other person to everyone.

 

[Bodecea]

Both are. He is facing State and federal charges. The Federal indictment was presented in court this PM.

Oh, so the feds under the rapey felon can protect him?

 

[cAPSLOCK]

You didn't ask me, but it's an interesting question.

I don't think so. Assuming Mangione's guilt as a first condition, the reason he got folk hero treatment right out the gate, regardless of the political alignment of respondents, is because the behavior of Brian Thompson's assassin already conformed to an existing Americam mythos about white and black hats, lone gunmen, the frontier ethic, the distribution of power, and honorable conduct. And Thompson is himself an unsympathetic figure, the sort of person a masked gunman might shoot down and still retain the needed element of honor.

If Thompson's killer had gunned down Thompson's wife, and shot their dog, and had to force another spouse into getting shot to protect a child, nothing of the folk hero mythos would have attached to him.

Also, the Minnesota killer was partisan, went after women, had a kill list, and perhaps importantly, looks creepy and has creepy videos of himself doing intensely religious scolding. That's never going to be a folk hero.

I agree with pretty much all of that, but the fact that our culture has celebrated Mangione's cold, blooded execution of Thompson is sick as hell.

 

[Grand Mal]

Disgusting things like actually reporting the news?

Fox lawyers told you they lie. Fox talking heads told you they lie. Fox's owner told you they lie. And still you say they 'actually report the news'.
What's that word? Starts with a 'c', ends with a 't' and has a 'u' and an 'l' in the middle somewhere.

 

[reinaert]

I agree with pretty much all of that, but the fact that our culture has celebrated Mangione's cold, blooded murder of Thompson is sick as hell.

Alleged. In both cases, alleged.

I don't think what's being celebrated is the murder. I just think Brian Thompson is also a symptom and a signifier of the kind of systems most people have to endure, and are daily ground down by - and who sympathizes with that kind of victim but kin?

 

[Artymoon]

I drive a lot. Most cars leave little doubt as to politics.

I just think your dichotomy is arbitrary and lacking cause.

If that's a barometer, then most cars would be an unknown.

I wouldn't extrapolate your one interaction with one other person to everyone.

I merely use it as a personal example from the circles I move in which I can confidently extrapolate. Everybody has different circles though which I why I challenge you to look at yours.