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Minnesota state representative admits she is in the US illegally during legislative debate

Pound4abrown said:
Well, so long as you meant no offense to anyone. :rolleyes:
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No insult intended. I have lots of relatives who live there, and they agree with me.
My father was born in MN. His father was a member of the state House of Representatives

Not everyone in MN. is a far left lunatic.

It used to be a great state but that was a long time ago, long before the Marxists, and far progressive leftist government took it over.
 
trixare4kids said:
No insult intended. I have lots of relatives who live there, and they agree with me.
My father was born in MN. His father was a member of the state House of Representatives

Not everyone in MN. is a far left lunatic.

It used to be a great state but that was a long time ago, long before the Marxists, and far progressive leftist government took it over.
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While "happiest state" is a subjective term, Minnesota is frequently ranked high on lists that assess state happiness and well-being, often placing in the top 10 or 20. In 2024, WalletHub ranked Minnesota at #6 on its "Happiest States in America" list, citing factors like emotional and physical well-being, community, and environment as key drivers. Other rankings, like those from Visual Capitalist and Newsweek, also place Minnesota among the happiest states.
 
j brown's body said:
So why do people decline to do that?
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There are a variety of reasons. Some can't. But for many it's because it takes money and effort, and they don't have a lot of incentive to do so. That's the problem with a lack of enforcement, Much of the time people can get away without being here legally, so they do. It's normally only an issue if they encounter law enforcement for some type of issue they can't ignore. (I know people who have gotten in trouble for public intoxication and being involved in a car accident.

Enforcement can make a big difference, and is why many other countries don't have the same issue. Knowing you could get caught is a big incentive to make corrections.
 
NolanVoyd said:
Read the exchange. I am not accusing you of saying it was illegal to elect her.
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then why do you keep repeating it when I never said it ?


NolanVoyd said:
This is the sentence of yours that i am talking about.

"still - understand that when breaking laws are justified for one thing or by one group that anyone/everyone can break laws and self justify them too. Open that pandora's box, see where it goes"
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this is 100% true

liberals justify illegals coming to the USA breaking laws to get it - they're ok with it

fine, just understand that other people can justify breaking laws too then based on the same "well I'm ok with it" deal



NolanVoyd said:
And this.

"this MN Representatives parents did illegal things - and if people can self justify breaking laws then we can expect everyone and anyone to do it too - right ?"

Now apply that to Trump. (It was Trump who did illegal things, not his parents)
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Trump was tried and found guilty ... he wasn't deported because he wasn't illegally here

What punishment did her parents get ?
 
NolanVoyd said:
No it does not. It supports what i said.

There are a few exceptions but for most illegals there is no path to becoming legal.
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I wonder if you read it.

For some, there isn't, especially if they got tangled with the legal system. But for many (arguably most) there are options. It even points them out. Return to home country and apply from there, go through an employer, family programs, humanitarian programs. They require time and help navigating the system, but there are options for many.
 
NolanVoyd said:
what punishment did Trump get fir his 34 felony comvictions?
You all elected him president.
Try to be logically consistent.
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google it - you can see the outcomes of the trial

now, back to the MN rep's parents ... what trial did they get? convictions? punishment ?
 
NolanVoyd said:
Read the exchange. I am not accusing you of saying it was illegal to elect her.

This is the sentence of yours that i am talking about.

"still - understand that when breaking laws are justified for one thing or by one group that anyone/everyone can break laws and self justify them too. Open that pandora's box, see where it goes"

And this.

"this MN Representatives parents did illegal things - and if people can self justify breaking laws then we can expect everyone and anyone to do it too - right ?"

Now apply that to Trump. (It was Trump who did illegal things, not his parents)
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I think the overall point is that Trump started nothing new. He is just one in a long line of hypocritical, justifying politicians.

Except, people want to only point that finger one direction.
 
stealthycat said:
google it - you can see the outcomes of the trial
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what punishment did Trump get fir his 34 felony comvictions?

You all elected him president.

stealthycat said:
now, back to the MN rep's parents ... what trial did they get? convictions? punishment ?
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RIght.

Trump is a convicted felon.

Niether the rep. or her parents are convicted felons.

Try to be logically consistent.
 
j brown's body said:
So why do people decline to do that?
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For the same reason that the people who steal your car decline to go buy their own.

They think theft is easier than doing it legitimately and it goes unpunished.
 
NolanVoyd said:
BS!

There is no path to becoming legal for most of the people that are here illegally.

Read and learn.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

Why Don’t Immigrants Apply for Citizenship?

There is no line available for undocumented immigrants and the “regular channels” do not include them.
www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
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Already pointed out, but that article doesn't support your statement. It actually gives several paths.

It is certainly fair to say that there's not a path for some, or that there isn't an easy path for most. But in many cases, the issue centers on the fact they came here illegally, and there has been insufficient enforcement.
 
dcsports said:
Already pointed out, but that article doesn't support your statement.
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Of course it supports my statement.

i already quoted from it.

Here you go again.

"There is no line available for current undocumented immigrants and the “regular channels” are largely not available to prospective immigrants who end up entering the country through unauthorized channels. Even though more than 80 percent of undocumented immigrants have lived in the United States for over 10 years, many could live out the rest of their lives without any opportunity to become legal residents of this country."
dcsports said:
It actually gives several paths.
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pay attention......there are a few exceptions but fir "most" there is no path.
dcsports said:
It is certainly fair to say that there's not a path for some,
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MOST
dcsports said:
the issue centers on the fact they came here illegally, and there has been insufficient enforcement.
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And why do you think they come illegally?

Do you think they could have come legally and just chose not to?

No, they come illegally because the legal immigration system is badly broken. It does not allow nearly enough in to meet the labor needs of the US economy.

Meanwhile American businesses need their labor now, these hard working people have jobs waiting now, and the legal immigration system takes decades and does not allow them to come now when their labor is needed.
 
Cope said:
I think the overall point is that Trump started nothing new. He is just one in a long line of hypocritical, justifying politicians.

Except, people want to only point that finger one direction.
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Other than trying to destroy the independence of the judicuary, the universities, the lawyers, the media and anything else that could hold him accountable, go Nazi on immigrants and make the military his political tool, he's not too bad.
 
NolanVoyd said:
Of course it supports my statement.
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No, it doesn't. And I pointed out why not, a couple of times now.

And yes, if you came here illegally, and don't meet one of the other available paths, that may mean leaving the country as a part of the process.

NolanVoyd said:
And why do you think they come illegally?

Do you think they could have come legally and just chose not to?
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Yes, the system is largely broken. (Thanks Democrats!) It also hasn't been enforced well, so people have taken the path of less resistance - choosing not to follow the legal process. The legal path is there and available, and I know many people who have used it.

NolanVoyd said:
Meanwhile American businesses need their labor now, these hard working people have jobs waiting now, and the legal immigration system takes decades and does not allow them to come now when their labor is needed.
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Much of this is overstated. But yes, there will be adjustment, and hopefully incentive to improve the process.

And it will be better for everyone in the long run. The often overlooked part of the process is that people who are working illegally are either committing other crimes - like identity theft and tax fraud - or working without protections - meaning they are being taken advantage of. That's not right, and shouldn't be accepted.
 
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