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The girl friend made a video and live streamed it on FB. That's all I know. I haven't seen the video, and I don't have a link.
I really wish there was video of the shooting. There is no reason to believe one person over the other in this case. The dead guy wasn't some criminal. He was working man with a concealed carry license. Obviously someone who cared enough about the law to do things the right way prior to this.
And no cop is going to admit to a bad shoot if there is no video evidence. Hell, even if there IS video evidence. And of course the girlfriend is going to want to make her boyfriend look good. So, frankly, I don't take either the cop or the girlfriend at their word.
Sucky situation.
Come on, hair splitters.
If a cop thinks his or someone else's life is in danger, he can act to neutralize the threat. Of COURSE the presence of a gun alone isnt sufficient. But if you know he HAS a gun and doesnt obey a command to show his hands and, instead, starts digging around in his waistband, he can shoot.
Or he can die.
Ya' know everyone forgets this cop had absolutely NO idea who the driver was. He could have been a murderer. People REALLY need to understand they need to listen to cops. ESPECIALLY those with guns drawn.
Come on, hair splitters.
If a cop thinks his or someone else's life is in danger, he can act to neutralize the threat. Of COURSE the presence of a gun alone isnt sufficient. But if you know he HAS a gun and doesnt obey a command to show his hands and, instead, starts digging around in his waistband, he can shoot.
Or he can die.
Ya' know everyone forgets this cop had absolutely NO idea who the driver was. He could have been a murderer. People REALLY need to understand they need to listen to cops. ESPECIALLY those with guns drawn.
The mere presence of a gun does not warrant suspicion let alone reason to believe ones life is in danger.
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q.f.t.if law enforcement is not held to the same standards as citizens then the republic is dead.
The issue here Magg is that the cop is often more inclined to perceive a threat based on race and THAT's a problem. THAT'S where the racism comes into play. That's why you can't use the superficial justification of a perceived threat. You have to look at whether or not the threat was real and not just perceived.
when someone says they are a CCW holder (which the cop should know before he even approaches the car) that should put the officer at ease.
I think we need to put body cams on every police officer in the country. It's the only way to settle these disputes. If the Minneapolis officer had been wearing one, the Dallas incident may never have happened.
The mere presence of a gun does not warrant suspicion let alone reason to believe ones life is in danger.
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Come on, hair splitters.
If a cop thinks his or someone else's life is in danger, he can act to neutralize the threat. Of COURSE the presence of a gun alone isnt sufficient. But if you know he HAS a gun and doesnt obey a command to show his hands and, instead, starts digging around in his waistband, he can shoot.
Or he can die.
Ya' know everyone forgets this cop had absolutely NO idea who the driver was. He could have been a murderer. People REALLY need to understand they need to listen to cops. ESPECIALLY those with guns drawn.
I don't know the details about the particular shooting. Was this guy "digging around in his waistband"?
Actually that's not entirely true.That's a pretty broad statement and, frankly, I find it offensive. The idea that all cops are focused on the race of the people they are engaging is where groups like BLM go off the rails. When a cop engages a person they are focused on the circumstances of that engagement. Race, other than the possibility that the individual matches a certain suspect description, is a consideration that comes in much farther down the line if at all.
Would those two groups by any chance be Yeshiva students and Mormons in white shirts on bicycles? Notorious troublemakers, both of them.
Come on, hair splitters.
If a cop thinks his or someone else's life is in danger, he can act to neutralize the threat. Of COURSE the presence of a gun alone isnt sufficient. But if you know he HAS a gun and doesnt obey a command to show his hands and, instead, starts digging around in his waistband, he can shoot.
Or he can die.
Ya' know everyone forgets this cop had absolutely NO idea who the driver was. He could have been a murderer. People REALLY need to understand they need to listen to cops. ESPECIALLY those with guns drawn.
If I were a cop, I would insist on it.
I agree. The sooner all LEO's are wearing body cams the better for both the criminals and the cops.
True, I agree. I didn't make myself very clear. And, I appreciate you pointing this out.
Like I said, on this one, I'm torn. I wish the video had been started before the officer got to the window, so we could see the interaction in its entirety. But, like I said, or meant to say, if what the officer says happened is accurate then he should be fine, but if what the woman says happened is accurate then it appears to me to be a bad shoot. I guess I'm relying more on her description of the events that I find hard to believe that she would have been able to make up right on the spot and put it on video immediately after a police officer had shot her boyfriend right beside her. She just seemed believable to me.
But... again, and this a big BUT, I don't know what happened. I'm just leaning at this point. If the guy was on fact a CCW license holder he would have been trained in how to act and interact with a police officer, and couple that with the lady's story she tells on the video... well, again, I'm torn.
Again, thanks for pointing out how what I said sounded. I reread it myself and thought - that's not what I said, but there it is.
Oh, I completely disagree. A LEO doesn't have to see a gun to shoot. He has to think his life, or the life of others, is in danger. If a cop shouts, "Let me see your hands! HANDS!!!" with a gun in his hand, and you reach for your waistband, he doesnt have to wait to see what you're going to pull out.
A lawyer for the suburban police officer who fatally shot a black man during a traffic stop said on Saturday that the race of the driver, Philando Castile, played no role in how his client responded, and that the officer “was reacting to the presence of a gun” when he opened fire.
“The shooting had nothing to do with race and everything to do with the presence of that gun,” Mr. Kelly said in an interview, noting that Officer Yanez is Latino.
Mr. Castile “was not following the directions of the police officer,” Mr. Kelly said, but he declined to provide further detail.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/u...o-the-presence-of-a-gun-lawyer-says.html?_r=0
Actually that's not entirely true.
Cops practice shooting at blacks via target practice to make it emotionally easier to kill minorities.
There's a psychological effect to things like this that make it easier to shoot Black vs shooting other minorities. People on these very forums dismissed the statements of how this was inappropriate. I highly suggest you study up on some basics of psychology to understand why using images of Blacks and only Blacks is a horrible idea. And also keep in mind this story only got out because the cops were too lazy and sloppy and left their homemade targets up. Things like this are happening all over the country that don't go reported.
Cops literally practice killing Blacks and it's all for fun and glory. This is a systemic problem that needs to change and as long as cops have defenders for this kind of behvavior it never will change.
That part is not true. CCW training varies state to state, but interacting with a police officer is only a small part, if any part, of the 4 to 8 hour class.
Still the training would come down to announce your CCW license. (Often that is already known to the officer). Present your credentials, announce the location of the weapon(s). If we are to believe the story as presented, that's what this person did.
Actually that's not entirely true.
Cops practice shooting at blacks via target practice to make it emotionally easier to kill minorities.
There's a psychological effect to things like this that make it easier to shoot Black vs shooting other minorities. People on these very forums dismissed the statements of how this was inappropriate. I highly suggest you study up on some basics of psychology to understand why using images of Blacks and only Blacks is a horrible idea. And also keep in mind this story only got out because the cops were too lazy and sloppy and left their homemade targets up. Things like this are happening all over the country that don't go reported.
Cops literally practice killing Blacks and it's all for fun and glory. This is a systemic problem that needs to change and as long as cops have defenders for this kind of behvavior it never will change.
We have absolutely no idea what he was doing. His girlfriend started video after he was shot. Cameras for all, is my vote. Those who argue it's too expensive need to compared that expense with what's happening across the country now.
The officer was a mess in the video. Shouting emotionallybthat he'd told him not to move. She says he was just reaching for his license and registration after having told the cop he had a CCW and a gun.
My take was a general one based on others saying a cop couldnt shoot until he'd seen a gun. That's just not true.
I Think people on this thread, myself included, dont know what they're talking about re use of deadly force.
Yes it is. Unless he has reasonable cause to believe where he is reaching is for a weapon. Like a known gang member known to have a pistol on his waist.
Now the standard they are held to by the DA is entirely different than what the law says.
Thats not surprising. Most people dont have reason to know the use of deadly force standards. But you shouldnt speak with authority. You shouldnt declare things to be true or what the officer can do when you know you dont know.
At least for one reason and thats not knowing the standard, and not knowing in practice how they are held to a different standard, you cant actually know what people are complaining about.
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I'm talking about BLACK PEOPLE! They use targets of BLACK PEOPLE on the targets for target practice.That's ridiculous.
The reason targets are often black on white or black on manila is because the contrast makes the target easier to see. It has nothing to do with race.
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