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MINNEAPOLIS – John Rydberg showed no mercy on the night in 1975 when he broke into a rural Wisconsin home and raped a young couple as their son slept upstairs — or four years later, when he raped a Minnesota woman at knifepoint in front of her children.
On Friday, he will seek mercy for himself, trying to convince a judicial panel he is a changed man who deserves release after nearly two decades in Minnesota's sex offender treatment program. If he gets the provisional discharge he's seeking, the 68-year-old Rydberg would be released to a Twin Cities halfway house with a GPS ankle bracelet and a long list of conditions to follow. If he behaves, he may become the first person permanently freed from the state's civil commitment program for sex offenders since it started in 1994.
OK, since it costs about 100k per year to keep sex offenders in the program, and since Minnesota also is going through a budget crisis, I am OK with letting them out after they are pronounced cured........
On ONE condition, and that is castration. The way I see it, if you commit the kinds of horrible crimes this guy has, then you should permanently lose your privilege of being able to have sex.
Article is here.
I think I'd be inclined to trust the professionals on this. The guy has served 30 years in jail and received 20 years of treatment. If the people dealing with him think he's ready for release, what's the issue?
Castration? What kind of rubbish is that? People released after 30 years for gun crime offences have their trigger fingers amputated? Thieves have their hands cut off?
I don't consider any crimes 'okay'. Rape and child molestation are not the same thing. Raping a girl while on a date, while neither more or less serious, is a very different crime from a father systematically abusing his children. Both are hideous but I don't see anything uniquely heinous about them in comparison to other crimes that garner similarly harsh sentences such as murder, armed robbery, torture and terrorist acts.Out of all the crimes that people can commit there is only ONE that cannot in any way shape or form be considered OK. And that is Rape/child molestation (they're the same in my eyes).
Murder is murder.Kill someone? Self defense or accidental.
Stealing? Needed food/money to feed the family. (granted not as much of a valid excuse now adays but at least it would be excuseable when in this context)
Assualt? I know I would assault any adult that hit my kids or my wife.
Murder (not just killing, but deliberate, pre-meditated murder), armed robbery, torture and terrorism? What excuses can justify these?But Rape? There is NO excuse to justify ripping the clothes off of some woman/child and raping her. None. Notta. Zip.
Well, those are your values. I'm sure many people agree with you, but to me there are a number of crimes that are on a similar level. If you decide that the most serious crimes merit perpetual incarceration, then fine, apply the sentence and we wouldn't be having this discussion. The judiciary imposed a sentence that was not life without the possibility of parole according to the legislation in place. If someone completes their sentence, as this guy has, then it's unjust to change your mind and impose further arbitrary punishment to make the community feel better.IMO it is the WORST offense anyone can possibly commit. As far as I am concerned the guy can rot in prison. Though I would perfer a bullet to the brain pan...about 3 times.
I don't consider any crimes 'okay'. Rape and child molestation are not the same thing. Raping a girl while on a date, while neither more or less serious, is a very different crime from a father systematically abusing his children. Both are hideous but I don't see anything uniquely heinous about them in comparison to other crimes that garner similarly harsh sentences such as murder, armed robbery, torture and terrorist acts.
Murder is murder.
No one is claiming theft or assault are of the same magnitude, that's a bit straw mannish.
Murder (not just killing, but deliberate, pre-meditated murder), armed robbery, torture and terrorism? What excuses can justify these?
Well, those are your values. I'm sure many people agree with you, but to me there are a number of crimes that are on a similar level. If you decide that the most serious crimes merit perpetual incarceration, then fine, apply the sentence and we wouldn't be having this discussion. The judiciary imposed a sentence that was not life without the possibility of parole according to the legislation in place. If someone completes their sentence, as this guy has, then it's unjust to change your mind and impose further arbitrary punishment to make the community feel better.
OK, since it costs about 100k per year to keep sex offenders in the program, and since Minnesota also is going through a budget crisis, I am OK with letting them out after they are pronounced cured........
On ONE condition, and that is castration. The way I see it, if you commit the kinds of horrible crimes this guy has, then you should permanently lose your privilege of being able to have sex.
Article is here.
OK, since it costs about 100k per year to keep sex offenders in the program, and since Minnesota also is going through a budget crisis, I am OK with letting them out after they are pronounced cured........
On ONE condition, and that is castration. The way I see it, if you commit the kinds of horrible crimes this guy has, then you should permanently lose your privilege of being able to have sex.
Article is here.
I don't see the point of castrating a 16-year-old boy who has sex with his 15-year-old girlfriend though.
It's not the same. Your hypothetical 16 year old boy didn't rape a woman in front of her family at knifepoint.
I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to use the government like that. I don't know...something about cruel and unusual punishment. That damned Constitution getting in the way again. Listen, I know this is an emotionally charged subject, I just think we'd all be well better served if we didn't get so emotional about it. Use some logic, some nice, emotionaless, Vulkan logic. These lists are getting out of hand, and there does need to be a way to get off the list if you're put on. Recidivism rates are not that much worse than most other crimes. We've essentially set up infinite punishments and beyond life in prison without parol, that's not necessarily a good thing.
It's time we revise our system we have. There are too many automatic punishments, too much databasing, too many lists. People have to have the ability to get free from this, demonstrate in some way that they have been "cured" (bad word...but I ain't had my coffee yet) and be able to have the full of their rights restored.
Within 3 years following their release, 5.3% of sex offenders (men who had committed rape or sexual assault) were rearrested for another sex crime (and 3.3% were reconvicted)
That is true.
However, sex offender laws apply equally to 16-year-old boys who have sex with their 15-year-old girlfriends as well as men who rape a woman in front of her family at knifepoint.
So how about we finally get some nuance in our sex offender laws before we take such draconian action?
In which states are consensual relations between two teenages one year apart in age a criminal act, let alone comparible with a violent home invasion, forced rape with a weapon?
I'm not sure. So let's not talk about two teenage kids who have sex with each other.
Instead, let's use a 15-year-old girl who uses her webcam to send pics of her boobs to her 16-year-old boyfriend. Now she can be put on trial for production and distribution of child pornography. Which will put her on the sex offender list.
I'm not really sure how you're going to castrate a female, though... Or how that would prevent a woman from commiting sex offenses. Even though women are guilty of sex offenses too. Just google the number of female teachers who have had sex with their male and female students.
In which states are consensual relations between two teenages one year apart in age a criminal act, let alone comparible with a violent home invasion, forced rape with a weapon?
Well, the lists are public record, that might be of great help to you then when looking for a babysitter next date night with the wife. Considering your staunch defense of these offenders.
WTF are you babbling on about? I haven't said anything about castration or female sex offenders. In fact, the only post I've made in this thread is asking you to support the inane statement that consentual sex between teenagers was the same as a home invasion and violent rape with a weapon. The only response you made, is when you answered my question with "I'm not sure."
So don't make statements of fact when you "aren't sure" the facts you are stating are even true.
Put the Bastard in the general population and let him rot with NO special treatment at all.
California now has 'Chelsea's Law' which says: Anyone convicted of certain sex offenses against a child in California will get life in prison without parole starting Thursday, after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed "Chelsea's Law."
Schwarzenegger signs California's 'Chelsea's Law' - CNN
This is my answer to this BS, and it needs to the law everywhere.
Why don't we have prisons in the Desert under ground to save on AC with only one guard tower in the middle and shoot to kill anything that moves above ground. Or in tents. It works for sheriff Joe and it's cheap.
Nobody is saying that violent sex offenders shouldn't get the worst this world has to offer.
However, children and teens and even some adults who commit non-violent sex offenses should not be treated in the same way that violent sex offenders should be treated.
Many child and teen sex offenders commit crimes because, I think, they're just too young and inexperienced to know better. They don't deserved to have that stigma for life. And what they need is psychological evaluations and therapy in order to train and teach them socially accepted sexual behavior. Rather than the incarceration we give them.
It's absolutely absurd to expect the same behavior from a child or teen that we expect from an adult. So we shouldn't give them adult criminal sentences. Especially if the crime is non-violent in nature.
... could your baiting be any more blatant?
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I'd say you seem to have a difficult time distinguishing between supporting the rights of sex offenders whom haven't served their time, supporting the rights of those who have served their time already, and supporting the right to due process for those not accused but merely accused.
No, I support the rights of the innocent child that didn't deserve what this guy put them through. As far as I am concerned he gave up his rights card the minute he laid hands on a child.
j-mac
At what point do you finally say "he's been punished enough?" Even a murderer doesn't have to register and send out notifications for life.
What if he didn't lay hands on anyone? A child porn downloader? A pee-behind-the-tree guy? You ever took a piss off the side of your boat? If so, you are a sex offender. Turn yourself in, and get yourself on that list.
What if he was falsely accused and convicted by the coerced testimony of a child by a pissed off ex-wife? What if his preteen daughter, whos mad because he wouldn't let her go to the mall with her friends, says he touched her? Who you think anyone will believe, a crying little girl on the stand, or big evil mean bad dad?
Things aren't as cut and dry as they first seem, Jmac. Open your eyes a bit, buddy.
MINNEAPOLIS – John Rydberg showed no mercy on the night in 1975 when he broke into a rural Wisconsin home and raped a young couple as their son slept upstairs — or four years later, when he raped a Minnesota woman at knifepoint in front of her children.
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