Milwaukee County Judge Dugan indicted, grand jury meets Tuesday (1 Viewer)

[Pyrite]

I actually have done a bit of research on this. There IS a reason this judge is being called out for her obvious mistakes. I don’t think her sex had one thing her being a “female” had anything to do with it. The JUDGE screwed up. Doesn’t matter what chromosomes she had. But of course, you are free to now conclude this is sexism. When all else fails.

Post #449

What's the "reason" the judge "is being called out for her obvious mistakes"?

When do "mistakes" constitute law-breaking?

Which laws did she violate? (Provide copies and pastes of excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.)

Which specific actions taken by the judge broke the laws you've cited? (Provide copies and pastes of excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.)

 

[TamleeB]

Post #449

What's the "reason" the judge "is being called out for her obvious mistakes"?

When do "mistakes" constitute law-breaking?

Which laws did she violate? (Provide copies and pastes of excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.)

Which specific actions taken by the judge broke the laws you've cited? (Provide copies and pastes of excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.)

Honestly, I don’t need to offer up anything. I am totally fine with this case moving forward in a court of law. And I WILL accept whatever happens in that ruling. Will you?

 

[Pyrite]

Honestly, I don’t need to offer up anything. I am totally fine with this case moving forward in a court of law. <snipped>

Okay by me. I'm used to MAGA's not being able to corroborate their claims, substantiate their statements.....

 

[TamleeB]

Okay by me. I'm used to MAGA's not being able to corroborate their claims, substantiate their statements.....

What claims would you like to see corroborated? I am totally fine with the witnesses to the event (who have already stepped up to give their statements) coming to court. At this point it is a matter of the trial. I am good with that. Until then this judge will NOT be able to do more damage. Which is a good thing.

 

[Pyrite]

What claims would you like to see corroborated? I am totally fine with the witnesses to the event (who have already stepped up to give their statements) coming to court. At this point it is a matter of the trial. I am good with that. Until then this judge will NOT be able to do more damage. Which is a good thing.

See my Post #451.

If you cannot scroll up that far, let me know, and I'll copy and paste it for you down here.

An aside for the reading audience:

Given @TamleeB's response to Post #451 - SEE Post #452 - I don't expect this poster to corroborate anything. But it is interesting that @TamleeB seems to have forgotten how our conversation has gone....

 

[TamleeB]

See my Post #451.

If you cannot scroll up that far, let me know, and I'll copy and paste it for you down here.

I am not at I interested in chasing around your posts. Sorry.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Insofar as it relates to my point, it is.

Your point was wrong.

she ushered him out to the ICE agents and you want to arrest her for using the wrong door.

Your lies are getting even more idiotic.

 

[CLAX1911]

What crimes did he commit?

Treason.

And he didn’t ignore the borders.

Oh so he intentionally created a crisis?

He attempted to honor US law and treaty commitments regarding asylum seekers,

That's not what I'm talking about he completely did not enforce any border rules at all. And because of it we have a crisis now.

even as deportations continued.

If you're deporting 50 people a month and 10,000 are coming over the border that's not a good idea you're not processing that many asylum seekers not in a million years.

You wouldn’t know it, but migrants were screened in in much the same way under Trump even as Donald called migrants names.

I wouldn't know it because it's a lie. Very few people were screamed they were just allowed to walk across the border. That means he's selling out American people for foreign Nationals.

I don't give a rat's ass who called anyone names.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Public trials don't directly influence jurors, but they can influence how prosecutors and defense attorneys carry out their arguments, leading to more sympathetic jurors if the defendant has a strong defense.

Examples?

 

[Pyrite]

See my Post #451.

If you cannot scroll up that far, let me know, and I'll copy and paste it for you down here.

An aside for the reading audience:

Given @TamleeB's response to Post #451 - SEE Post #452 - I don't expect this poster to corroborate anything. But it is interesting that @TamleeB seems to have forgotten how our conversation has gone....

AND.....

I am not at I interested in chasing around your posts. Sorry.

Post #456

Very predictable!

In response, I'll repost the reply I made to @TamleeB a mere 25 minutes ago:

Okay by me. I'm used to MAGA's not being able to corroborate their claims, substantiate their statements.....

Post #453

 

[TamleeB]

AND.....


Post #456

Very predictable!

In response, I'll repost the reply I made to @TamleeB a mere 25 minutes ago:


Post #453

It’s all good.

 

[Nickyjo]

Treason.

How did he commit treason? What acts qualified?

Oh so he intentionally created a crisis?

That's not what I'm talking about he completely did not enforce any border rules at all. And because of it we have a crisis now.

So there were no apprehensions and deportations of illegals under Biden?

If you're deporting 50 people a month and 10,000 are coming over the border that's not a good idea you're not processing that many asylum seekers not in a million years.

I wouldn't know it because it's a lie. Very few people were screamed they were just allowed to walk across the border. That means he's selling out American people for foreign Nationals.

They never have been just allowed to walk across the border under any president.

I don't give a rat's ass who called anyone names.

I volunteered with a group for a week or two on the border (El Paso) during Trump’s first term. Every mid-morning ICE officials would contact us and tell the folks there permanently how many aliens they would deliver to our center, an abandoned plant, in the afternoon. These were screed in at the border, not unlike they were under Biden. These aliens, who were given documents that would prevent their deportation, might stay for a few days, then I and others would take them to the bus station for their trips to the US destinations where there might be relatives or friends who had sent money for tickets. Local artists came to paint murals on the walls, church groups to serve special meals, and the Salvation Army to provide cots for their stay. There were US soldiers from a nearby military base, ironically one of them the child or grandson of Vietnamese refugees, who came to fix up and decorate a chapel in one of the room in the plant for the migrants to worship in. Thus, the commander in chief’s troops, (to say nothing of members of the community of El Paso) were working against his purposes, albeit in their free time.

As to not caring who calls people names, I have enough pride in my country to care when our leader, often viewed as our face to the world, debases himself by calling migrants rapists (while offering no proof to back up his accusations) or by suggesting shooting migrants in the legs.

 

[CLAX1911]

How did he commit treason? What acts qualified?

Making the boarder crisis.

So there were no apprehensions and deportations of illegals under Biden?

Don't give a shit if he pretended to do his job if the amount of failure made it moot.

They never have been just allowed to walk across the border under any president.

Biden went out of his way to make sure they weren't stopped.

 

[Xilnik]

Examples?

One very famous example: O.J. Simpson.

 

[Xilnik]

This is a pretty strange statement. YOU keep bringing up Trump and anti-Trump sentiment, even in this post. I keep saying - focus on this specific case - Trump and the AEA have nothing to do with it.



Case in point. There is no 'unfamiliar environment' in this case. It is very straightforward. There was no reason for Dugan to handle this case any differently - in fact, nothing was asked of her with regard to the immigration case. It wasn't her case our jurisdiction. She chose to sabotage the case in her courtroom, and insert herself into the immigration case.




May have? She absolutely acted improperly, and her response had nothing to do with her judicial responsibilities.

Quote me saying anything negative about Trump related to Judge Dugan that does not directly correspond with a potential for executive overreach.

I won't bother repeating my stance. You're clearly too emotional to discuss this reasonably.

 

[TamleeB]

Quote me saying anything negative about Trump related to Judge Dugan that is not directly related to overreach.

I won't bother repeating my stance. You're clearly too emotional to discuss this reasonably.

I have an honest question for you. Do you believe that judge Dugan acted properly? Yes or NO?

 

[Xilnik]

I have an honest question for you. Do you believe that judge Dugan acted properly? Yes or NO?

Based on the information available, I've already said "No" multiple times. I also believe in innocent until proven guilty. Her actions warrant the grand jury and indictment. I'll wait for more information before fully committing to my answer.

 

[TamleeB]

Based on the information available, I've already said "No" multiple times. I also believe in innocent until proven guilty. Her actions warrant the grand jury and indictment. I'll wait for more information before fully committing to my answer.

That is fair

 

[eohrnberger]

Thank you for agreeing with me about illegal immigrants. I'm not sure how Biden's enforcement, or lack thereof,

addresses my concerns about constitutional overreach.

You are seeing a constitutional overreach in declaring Tren de Aragua a Foreign Terrorist Organization, and then using AEA to summarily deport them.
I'm not seeing a constitutional overreach.
What I am seeing is what needs to be done.
What I am seeing is cleaning up something which should never have happened in the first place.
What I am seeing is cleaning up Biden's mess.

 

[ClaraD]

Honestly, I don’t need to offer up anything. I am totally fine with this case moving forward in a court of law. And I WILL accept whatever happens in that ruling. Will you?

you do know that judges there have immunity if they are acting in their official capacity....right?

 

[dcsports]

The judge's intent isn't clear, given the fact it was she who made the decision to seek guidance from her superior.

You can make as many claims re her actions as you want, but your word isn't good enough. Same goes for your claims about relevant laws and the Constitution. If you want to show that something is factual, copy and paste excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.
[deflection removed]

I'm sorry. To claim the judge was somehow confused or just seeking guidance is silly. Again, raising a stink in the hallway when nothing was required of her made that clear. If she wanted to claim ignorance, she should have just stayed in her courtroom.

She wasn't 'seeking guidance' - she tried to mislead the officers, then checked the hallway, and snuck the defendant out the back. Then pretended to go about her business. It was unfortunate for her that the officers positioned officers separate from the arrest team to monitor the courtroom and hallway outside her courtroom.

The charging document has been posted several times. Do a search.

 

[TamleeB]

you do know that judges there have immunity if they are acting in their official capacity....right?

I do indeed. I look forward to seeing how this plays out in a court of law. Do you?

 

[dcsports]

Quote me saying anything negative about Trump related to Judge Dugan that does not directly correspond with a potential for executive overreach.

I won't bother repeating my stance. [deflection removed]

ROFLOL. I do appreciate that you were trying to have a reasonable conversation. Again, you keep bringing him, the AEA, claims of executive overreach, etc. up - as you did here. I keep pointing out that these have zero relevance in the case of the former judge Dugan.

 

[ClaraD]

I do indeed. I look forward to seeing how this plays out in a court of law. Do you?

If she has immunity they are wasting time...she was on the bench, acting in her official capacity when she demanded a warrant from ICE for a person in court, in front of her for a hearing.

 

[Xilnik]

ROFLOL. I do appreciate that you were trying to have a reasonable conversation. Again, you keep bringing him, the AEA, claims of executive overreach, etc. up - as you did here. I keep pointing out that these have zero relevance in the case of the former judge Dugan.

I disagree. I expect it to come up in her defense and purely from a judicial standpoint. It won't be partisan or emotional-based, though I suspect you and other Trump supporters will claim it is. For some reason, the Trump victim card makes up the full deck.