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This is something I've always been confused about. There is a group of people who seem to feel that locking down the border with the military is the best way to stop illegal immigration.
This ignores two basic problems;
First, we have a Posse Comitatus law. This prohibits the armed forces of the United States from acting as a police force inside the US.
Second, almost half of illegal immigrants overstay work visas, they dont hop the border.
With these in mind, why is there such a drive to militarize the border?
This is something I've always been confused about. There is a group of people who seem to feel that locking down the border with the military is the best way to stop illegal immigration.
This ignores two basic problems;
First, we have a Posse Comitatus law. This prohibits the armed forces of the United States from acting as a police force inside the US.
Then there is other half that doesn't get in with Visas as well as the as the gangs smugglers and other people to worry about.As for the Visa overstays cut the countries off we have the most problems with, **** them.As my drill sergeants used to say it takes one of you to **** things up for the rest of you all, or in the case of illegals its takes millions to **** things up for everybody else in their country.Second, almost half of illegal immigrants overstay work visas, they dont hop the border.
I am sure most people would not have a problem with part of a law meant to appease whiny southerners who lost the civil war was amended to allow the border to be militarized.
Then there is other half that doesn't get in with Visas as well as the as the gangs smugglers and other people to worry about.As for the Visa overstays cut the countries off we have the most problems with, **** them.As my drill sergeants used to say it takes one of you to **** things up for the rest of you all, or in the case of illegals its takes millions to **** things up for everybody else in their country.
This is something I've always been confused about. There is a group of people who seem to feel that locking down the border with the military is the best way to stop illegal immigration.
This ignores two basic problems;
First, we have a Posse Comitatus law. This prohibits the armed forces of the United States from acting as a police force inside the US.
Second, almost half of illegal immigrants overstay work visas, they dont hop the border.
With these in mind, why is there such a drive to militarize the border?
I realize no one has really been protesting JSOC, but that doesnt mean it doesnt violate the law. Unless the act is repealed, you cannot legally militarize the border with the Army, Navy, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service. You cant just ignore the law when you dont like it.I am sure most people would not have a problem with part of a law meant to appease whiny southerners who lost the civil war was amended to allow the border to be militarized.
I realize no one has really been protesting JSOC, but that doesnt mean it doesnt violate the law. Unless the act is repealed, you cannot legally militarize the border with the Army, Navy, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service. You cant just ignore the law when you dont like it.
The rest of your post is basically ranting.
This is something I've always been confused about. There is a group of people who seem to feel that locking down the border with the military is the best way to stop illegal immigration.
This ignores two basic problems;
First, we have a Posse Comitatus law. This prohibits the armed forces of the United States from acting as a police force inside the US.
Second, almost half of illegal immigrants overstay work visas, they dont hop the border.
With these in mind, why is there such a drive to militarize the border?
This is something I've always been confused about. There is a group of people who seem to feel that locking down the border with the military is the best way to stop illegal immigration.
This ignores two basic problems;
First, we have a Posse Comitatus law. This prohibits the armed forces of the United States from acting as a police force inside the US.
Second, almost half of illegal immigrants overstay work visas, they dont hop the border.
That's rather anti-capitalist of you. Shouldn't a company be allowed to hire whoever it wants?Didn't know there was a meaningful drive to militarize the border. That's not the answer.
Everybody but Washington knows the answer. Enforce existing laws making it illegal to hire illegals. Send a loud-and-clear message to companies that they will pay dearly if they're found to have illegals working for them. Dearly. If they knew or, more importantly, SHOULD have known. Don't fall for jackpot babies. Change the law. We know these things. It's not rocket science.
Except the FBI doesnt have jurisdiction in Latin America.As to the drug gangs, cut off the money. Let the FBI do what the FBI does with organized crime.
No such provision exists in the posse comitatus actUnless requested to do so by the State Governor and those requests have been made and ignored.
Ok, do you have any proof of this or is this just rhetoric?They're generally not the ones we're worried about we're not especially worried about the ones who come here to work we're concerned with things like the outright annexation by Mexican drug funded paramilitary of large swaths of U.S. territory.
What you said sounded very much like "We dont need this law, let's ignore it." And I am not in favor of repealing the posse comitatus act. There's a reason that rule started with Ancient Rome, it's to keep the armed forces from being used domestically to threaten the populace. Additionally, soldiers are not police and shouldnt be trying to do a cop's job.I am saying repeal or amend the law, I never said ignore it
No such provision exists in the posse comitatus act.
The limitation also does not apply to the National Guard when activated by a state's governor and operating in accordance with Title 32 of the U.S. Code (for example, National Guardsmen were used extensively by state governors during Hurricane Katrina response actions). Conversely, the limitation would apply to the National Guard when activated by the President and operating in accordance with Title 10 and Title 32 of the U.S. Code.
Posse comitatus (common law) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
TITLE 32 > CHAPTER 9 > § 907
907. Relationship to State duty
Nothing in this chapter shall be construed as a limitation on the authority of any unit of the National Guard of a State, when such unit is not in Federal service, to perform functions authorized to be performed by the National Guard by the laws of the State concerned.
United States Code: Title 32,CHAPTER 9—HOMELAND DEFENSE ACTIVITIES | LII / Legal Information Institute
That's rather anti-capitalist of you. Shouldn't a company be allowed to hire whoever it wants?
It's against Federal law. Just because the Feds don't do a good job of enforcing it, doesn't mean it doesn't work.
Except the FBI doesnt have jurisdiction in Latin America.
Sorry??? It isn't peso's coming HERE that are the problem, is it? It's dollars going THERE.
a company should be able to hire anyone it wants "LEGALLY" and if it is found to be habitually ilegally hiring non usa citizens then their license to opperate should be pulled. imo.That's rather anti-capitalist of you. Shouldn't a company be allowed to hire whoever it wants?
Except the FBI doesnt have jurisdiction in Latin America.
No such provision exists in the posse comitatus act
Ok, do you have any proof of this or is this just rhetoric?
What you said sounded very much like "We dont need this law, let's ignore it." And I am not in favor of repealing the posse comitatus act. There's a reason that rule started with Ancient Rome, it's to keep the armed forces from being used domestically to threaten the populace. Additionally, soldiers are not police and shouldnt be trying to do a cop's job.
What you said sounded very much like "We dont need this law, let's ignore it." And I am not in favor of repealing the posse comitatus act.
There's a reason that rule started with Ancient Rome, it's to keep the armed forces from being used domestically to threaten the populace.
Additionally, soldiers are not police and shouldnt be trying to do a cop's job.
I realize no one has really been protesting JSOC, but that doesnt mean it doesnt violate the law. Unless the act is repealed, you cannot legally militarize the border with the Army, Navy, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service. You cant just ignore the law when you dont like it.
The rest of your post is basically ranting.
IIRC, thats only for states of emergency and in response to natural disasters, not to handle everyday situations of law enforcement.Yes they do, the State Governor can request the use of Federal Troops in the form of the National Guard.
It shouldnt be the Federal government's job to enforce laws against hiring people without the proper paperwork.It's against Federal law. Just because the Feds don't do a good job of enforcing it, doesn't mean it doesn't work.
Ok, so what is the FBI supposed to do about it?Sorry??? It isn't peso's coming HERE that are the problem, is it? It's dollars going THERE.
And in theory, that's how it works.a company should be able to hire anyone it wants "LEGALLY" and if it is found to be habitually ilegally hiring non usa citizens then their license to opperate should be pulled. imo.
I am uncomfortable with the armed forces being able to be deployed as a police force. That is not what they are trained to do, it is not what they are equipped to do.Yeah we don't need it or at least the part that applies to the border so lets repeal it.
Look up the history of the law. Its one that stretches back to Rome and it's job was to keep armies out of the city to prevent a coup backed by the military. I dont see a reason to repeal the law.Ancient Rome didn't have **** to do with that being enacted in the US. It was enacted to appease whiny crybaby Southerners who lost the civil war.
And tell me, what exactly do we need to worry about from Canada or Mexico? Undocumented immigration is not a significant threat.A border is the first defense against neighboring countries. Therefore border security is a military job and therefore should be handled by the military.
As I have said, simply because you are unsatisfied with the progress doesnt mean the law isnt enforced.So I agree we can't ignore laws because we don't like it. For those that support illegal immigration, its against Federal law. AZ gets taken to court for passing law targeting employers of illegals, AZ gets taken to court for passing a law to allow local LE to enforce federal law regarding illegals in the US. So why does the Feds get a free pass for not enforcing existing immigration laws. Seems if the Feds can ignore illegals, they can put the military on the borders.
I am uncomfortable with the armed forces being able to be deployed as a police force. That is not what they are trained to do, it is not what they are equipped to do.
I did look it up. It was enacted in this country after the civil war,specifically right after reconstruction. So it was created to appease whiny crybaby southerners who lost the civil war.Look up the history of the law. Its one that stretches back to Rome and it's job was to keep armies out of the city to prevent a coup backed by the military.
I dont see a reason to repeal the law.
If 12-20 million plus people trespassed into this country. Then how hard would it be if the invaders were armed to trespass into this country?And tell me, what exactly do we need to worry about from Canada or Mexico?UndocumentedIllegal immigration is not a significant threat.
As I have said, simply because you are unsatisfied with the progress doesnt mean the law isnt enforced.
This is something I've always been confused about. There is a group of people who seem to feel that locking down the border with the military is the best way to stop illegal immigration.
This ignores two basic problems;
First, we have a Posse Comitatus law. This prohibits the armed forces of the United States from acting as a police force inside the US.
Second, almost half of illegal immigrants overstay work visas, they dont hop the border.
With these in mind, why is there such a drive to militarize the border?
Well that law wouldn't apply as the military would be acting as "a military" in keeping people away from and preventing them from crossing the border, and would not be acting as a police force. Of course, you have to define what "acting like a police force" means as well as "acting as a military" because they overlap. If that law were true and/or enforced we'd have no National Guard, and calling said National Guard during times of emergency would be illegal.This is something I've always been confused about. There is a group of people who seem to feel that locking down the border with the military is the best way to stop illegal immigration.
This ignores two basic problems;
First, we have a Posse Comitatus law. This prohibits the armed forces of the United States from acting as a police force inside the US.
I think keeping folks off the border works one way... they wouldn't be there to prevent folks from leaving the U.S., they're there to prevent folks from coming into the U.S. Illegals who overstay their visa's either evade the police or ICE, leave voluntarily, find sanctuary in certain U.S. city's, or are deported.Second, almost half of illegal immigrants overstay work visas, they dont hop the border.
With these in mind, why is there such a drive to militarize the border?
IIRC, thats only for states of emergency and in response to natural disasters, not to handle everyday situations of law enforcement.
It shouldnt be the Federal government's job to enforce laws against hiring people without the proper paperwork.
Ok, so what is the FBI supposed to do about it?
And in theory, that's how it works.
I am uncomfortable with the armed forces being able to be deployed as a police force. That is not what they are trained to do, it is not what they are equipped to do.
Look up the history of the law. Its one that stretches back to Rome and it's job was to keep armies out of the city to prevent a coup backed by the military. I dont see a reason to repeal the law.
And tell me, what exactly do we need to worry about from Canada or Mexico? Undocumented immigration is not a significant threat.
As I have said, simply because you are unsatisfied with the progress doesnt mean the law isnt enforced.
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