Mike Waltz claims ‘full responsibility’ for Signal chat group leaked to journalist

[Ikari]

The Atlantic releases the Signal chat showing Hegseth's detailed attack plans against the Houthis

The Atlantic has released the entire Signal chat among Trump senior national security officials.

apnews.com

“1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”

“1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”

“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”

“1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”

“1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”

“MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”

“We are currently clean on OPSEC”

Exact times coupled with exact strike packages, come on. If that isn't minimum CUI, I'll eat my hat.

 

[Plasmaball]

Apparently being used by high officials since the Obama admin, no outrage then, but reserved for now. How curious.

Further, the NSA guidance on Signal, as provided in post #254 and elaborated on in post #270 doesn't even say Signal is prohibited from use.
What it does say:

View attachment 67562386​

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is Signal is permitted.


The 'keyboard error' was a contact entry with the wrong number, the journalists, or adding that journalist to the group chat he wasn't meant to be in.


As I correctly observed in post #270, Signal and its communications are secure, but the user can fall prey to social engineering and clicking the wrong invite link can lead to being compromised.

Unclassified.
You guys are trying to wish this away with poor excuses.

They ****ed up. There is no evil intent here by anyone. People are human. Covering it up is worse than the actual issue at hand.

At best waltz was going through his contacts, hit Goldberg by mistake and Goldberg being a reporter is gonna click said link. Realizes what the link was but by then the damage is done.


Lol you don't think thise governemt people aren't talking to reporters on erasable apps like signal all the time? Come on now.


Hesberg shouldn't have been giving out details about the strikes either. That's a different issue from waltz and Goldberg. That is classified and should be on approved devices. The fact that the maga right are not up in arms over that? Typical.

But sure let's pretend people like mycroft is right. Who is just waiting for the Trump administration to make something up about how Goldberg cracked the code to get into signal.

 

[eohrnberger]

The government doesn't know if signal is really secure. For all the government knows some other government could have access to a signal employee to help compromise any keys or conversations.

You have this from which authority again?

There could be a zero day situation. The government doesn't control the security of Signal. As a result Signal unsurprisingly is not approved to exchange this sort of information in our government.

The post you responded to screen grabbed from the NSA notification that:

. . is permitted by policy.

Further, its been much talk about that the communications contained classified information.
I've also hear counter claims that the communication didn't contain classified information.

I don't think that there's been anything definitive on this, beyond politically motivated claims, coming from both sides.

What I'll say is that I know that I don't know if it did, or if it didn't contain classified information.

 

[eohrnberger]

The Atlantic releases the Signal chat showing Hegseth's detailed attack plans against the Houthis

The Atlantic has released the entire Signal chat among Trump senior national security officials.

apnews.com

Exact times coupled with exact strike packages, come on. If that isn't minimum CUI, I'll eat my hat.

Do you see which pieces of information which would make it actionable is missing?
No locations, no routes, no specific units, no specific targets.

 

[Hip octogenarian]

Coldbert can **** off and nobody would care.

Millions upon millions would care. I'm sure that Colbert has far more real fans than Trump does. Stephen Colbert is a national treasure. Donald Trump is a national disaster.

 

[Hip octogenarian]

It is nice to see a claim of taking full responsibility, whatever that ends up meaning.

But it is difficult to overlook both the gross incompetence of all this, as well as how fast MAGAs rush to defend it, all without much effort by those same predictable hateful MAGAs to be thankful to Jeffrey Goldberg at The Atlantic for not immediately releasing what had happened.

And some of those defenders of Lord Trump blaming Goldberg for something someone else in the MAGA camp did is shameful.

That group has no shame.

 

[rahl]

Nope.

The Trump administration is, right now, engaged in finding out how a contact in the Signal app had one person's name...and Goldberg's number...and finding out who put that manipulated contact in Waltz's computer.

Will Trump release his findings at the same time he releases his findings about Obama’s birth certificate or the 2020 election?

 

[Ikari]

Do you see which piece of information which would make it actionable is missing?
Locations.

Locations may kick it up to classified levels, but pre-engagement tweeting times and strike packages...that's minimum CUI.

 

[TangoNoCash]

You have this from which authority again?

I have been involved with computers and software for decades and am familiar with software exploits, server compromise and computer security best practice.

The post you responded to screen grabbed from the NSA notification that:
View attachment 67562391
. . is permitted by policy.

As repeated over and over this policy does not apply to this style of communication. Imagine if it did.

Further, its been much talk about that the communications contained classified information.
I've also hear counter claims that the communication didn't contain classified information.

Complete bs. You know you can read the texts right? In what world is that not ts information?

I don't think that there's been anything definitive on this, beyond politically motivated claims, coming from both sides.

That’s a you problem.

What I'll say is that I know that I don't know if it did, or if it didn't contain classified information.

Look for yourself. Come on now. This is just silly.

 

[eohrnberger]

Unclassified.
You guys are trying to wish this away with poor excuses.

They ****ed up. There is no evil intent here by anyone. People are human. Covering it up is worse than the actual issue at hand.

At best waltz was going through his contacts, hit Goldberg by mistake and Goldberg being a reporter is gonna click said link. Realizes what the link was but by then the damage is done.


Lol you don't think thise governemt people aren't talking to reporters on erasable apps like signal all the time? Come on now.

The scenario that you sketch lends more credence to the keyboarding error theory.

I'd say that a remediation would be a clearly secure coms phone, and a non-secure coms phone, and not to mix up the two, but that's water under the bridge at this point.

Hesberg shouldn't have been giving out details about the strikes either. That's a different issue from waltz and Goldberg. That is classified and should be on approved devices.

The fact that the maga right are not up in arms over that? Typical.

I don't speak for 'MAGA', nor do I have any idea what they would think or do.
I'm observing, taking it all in, digging a bit more here and there, before I distill a bit and form my own opinion.

But sure let's pretend people like mycroft is right. Who is just waiting for the Trump administration to make something up about how Goldberg cracked the code to get into signal.

I don't know who's pretending anything of the sort. Do you?

 

[weaver2]

Coldbert can **** off and nobody would care.

Colbert just said our loud what everybody is thinking. The Trump administration is not competent. They do stupid things. They are not smart.

 

[eohrnberger]

Locations may kick it up to classified levels, but pre-engagement tweeting times and strike packages...that's minimum CUI.

More was missing as well.
No no routes, no specific units, no specific targets.

How many square miles is the Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen now?
Approximately 203,850 square miles.

 

[Felis Leo]

Or….don't use Signal to discuss bombing a country.

Crazy concept. Mind blowing, I’m sure.

How did we even manage to get by before the internet and smart phones?

 

[Ikari]

More was missing as well.
No no routes, no specific units, no specific targets.

How many square miles is the Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen now?
Approximately 203,850 square miles.

There's enough there to piece together information that should be controlled. Pre-employment, there's no way you're divulging times and strike packages and it not be CUI at minimum.

 

[eohrnberger]

I have been involved with computers and software for decades and am familiar with software exploits, server compromise and computer security best practice.

Good. Then you also realize that the NSA notification wasn't due to Signal security, but rather a social engineering warning.

As repeated over and over this policy does not apply to this style of communication. Imagine if it did.

None the less, the use of Signal is clearly permitted by policy, as it states.

Complete bs. You know you can read the texts right? In what world is that not ts information?

No locations, no routes, no specific units, no specific targets, in essence what would make it actionable intel.

That’s a you problem.

It's a 'you problem' to buy into politically motivated over hyping.

Look for yourself. Come on now. This is just silly.

No locations, no routes, no specific units, no specific targets, in essence what would make it actionable intel.
How many square miles is the Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen now?
Approximately 203,850 square miles.

How 'classified' can it really be?
I mean besides wanting it to be classified because of political motivations.

 

[TamleeB]

Mike Waltz claims ‘full responsibility’ for Signal chat group leaked to journalist.​

Has Mike Waltz been charged with any and all appropriate charges for having allowed this leak?

If not, why not?

Charges?

 

[TamleeB]

How did we even manage to get by before the internet and smart phones?

Ask Hillary

 

[Allan]

The Signal app isn't the problem. It is certified by all the government security agencies as being secure.

Trump throws @Mycroft under the bus...

“I don’t know that Signal works. I think Signal could be defective to be honest with you,” he said. “Because you use Signal and we use Signal and everybody uses Signal, but it could be a defective platform and we’re going to have to find that out.” -Trump

Signal shoots down Trump’s suggestion that administration’s security leak could be blamed on app

President Trump suggested that the encrypted message app Signal may be “defective” after a journalist was inadvertently added to a group chat that included his top administration officials discussing recent airstrikes in Yemen.

www.washingtontimes.com

Your going to have to find a new line of bullshit Mycroft.

 

[Bodecea]

What connection?

 

[Bodecea]

.....

 

[Kelby]

The Atlantic releases the Signal chat showing Hegseth's detailed attack plans against the Houthis

The Atlantic has released the entire Signal chat among Trump senior national security officials.

apnews.com

Exact times coupled with exact strike packages, come on. If that isn't minimum CUI, I'll eat my hat.

And that's a BIG hat.

 

[Bodecea]

The blathering of a comedian really doesn't matter.

And yet, you voted for one....multiple times.

 

[Plasmaball]

The scenario that you sketch lends more credence to the keyboarding error theory.

I'd say that a remediation would be a clearly secure coms phone, and a non-secure coms phone, and not to mix up the two, but that's water under the bridge at this point.

This would just be more a point and laugh story if it wasn't for hagseth stating classied docs.

I don't speak for 'MAGA', nor do I have any idea what they would think or do.
I'm observing, taking it all in, digging a bit more here and there, before I distill a bit and form my own opinion.


I don't know who's pretending anything of the sort. Do you?

 

[Bodecea]

Sorry, but I don't pay attention to speculation...especially from a Trump hater.

"I don't pay attention to speculation"


.......

 

[TangoNoCash]

Good. Then you also realize that the NSA notification wasn't due to Signal security, but rather a social engineering warning.

Sure but that doesn’t matter. Point is they are subject to MiM attacks and other vectors since it’s not a network they control. This is security 101. They chose to violate it.

None the less, the use of Signal is clearly permitted by policy, as it states.

No. Read the policy. Sigh.

No locations, no routes, no specific units, no specific targets, in essence what would make it actionable intel.



It's a 'you problem' to buy into politically motivated over hyping.


No locations, no routes, no specific units, no specific targets, in essence what would make it actionable intel.
How many square miles is the Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen now?
Approximately 203,850 square miles.

How 'classified' can it really be?
I mean besides wanting it to be classified because of political motivations.

No because I think discussion of attack times, targets and weapons shouldn’t be discussed on public network in any fashion. How is this not common sense to you? Trump world has gone even more insane.