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Mike Waltz claims ‘full responsibility’ for Signal chat group leaked to journalist

eohrnberger said:
. . . and there's the over hyping.

We are, after all, talking about a simple keyboard error which included the journalist, when it shouldn't have, right?

Before you go and call the Signal application insecure, make sure you know enough about it, eh?
And I'm not talking about an assessment of the application from 8 years ago. How about a current one.

From my background and knowledge about the app, communication no the app is secure.
The data is never stored in transit or on any servers, and is military grade encrypted payload.
You're not going to get much better than that.


Has the left ever been in favor of this former Democrat congressman being in the cabinet?
This just another run at preventing her from being in that cabinet position.


Let me know when they start any of that.

National Intelligence Director Apologizes for Lying to Congress​

Dir. Clapper says a response to the Intelligence Committee in March was 'clearly erroneous.'​
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Did John Brennan Perjure Himself Over Steele Dossier? | Law & Crime

A man once identified as “the most talented liar in Washington” may be prosecuted for perjury before Nunes inquiry into ObamaGate is finished.
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They are using an unclassed, public phone app to discuss sensitive or classified information. A "keyboard error" would get a normal person in hot water when creating leaks.

If they used the appropriate tools they have at their disposal for proper communication of sensitive or classified information, or had just had a meeting in a SCIF, none of this would have happened. If they're discussing military operations pre-engagement, who knows what sort of sensitive or classified info they're throwing around this app.
 
Hey. MTG has chosen to make herself look even uglier.


Martha Kelner approached the MAGA Rep. at a press conference on Wednesday (26 March) and as she started to ask a question, Taylor Green interrupted her and demanded to know: “What country are you from?”


She said: “We don’t give a crap about your opinion and your reporting. Why don’t you go back to your country where you have a major migrant problem?”
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eohrnberger said:
. . . and there's the over hyping.

We are, after all, talking about a simple keyboard error which included the journalist, when it shouldn't have, right?

Before you go and call the Signal application insecure, make sure you know enough about it, eh?
And I'm not talking about an assessment of the application from 8 years ago. How about a current one.

From my background and knowledge about the app, communication no the app is secure.
The data is never stored in transit or on any servers, and is military grade encrypted payload.
You're not going to get much better than that.


Has the left ever been in favor of this former Democrat congressman being in the cabinet?
This just another run at preventing her from being in that cabinet position.


Let me know when they start any of that.

National Intelligence Director Apologizes for Lying to Congress​

Dir. Clapper says a response to the Intelligence Committee in March was 'clearly erroneous.'​
​
lawandcrime.com

Did John Brennan Perjure Himself Over Steele Dossier? | Law & Crime

A man once identified as “the most talented liar in Washington” may be prosecuted for perjury before Nunes inquiry into ObamaGate is finished.
lawandcrime.com lawandcrime.com
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Hmmm... I think the NSA knew enough about Signal.
www.cbsnews.com

NSA warned of vulnerabilities in Signal app a month before Houthi strike chat

The National Security Agency sent a bulletin in February warning of Russian hackers trying to access encrypted conversations on Signal.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

 
Mycroft said:
What connection?
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Goldberg remembers meeting Waltz, and given he's the editor in chief of a major publication, that doesn't sound far fetched. I am getting a good laugh at how the MAGAverse is trying to make this about Goldberg, but the simple fact remains: Waltz added him to the chat.
🙂
 
Mycroft said:
The Signal app isn't the problem. It is certified by all the government security agencies as being secure.

The problem is that someone manipulated the app and inserted false contact information into it.

I would hate to be that person. They are about to be in a world of hurt.
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Whatever let's you sleep at night. The rest of us aren't this pathetic when making excuses for an actual screw up.
 
Mycroft said:
When did this happen?
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I have no idea, but what we know is there are two men with different stories about whether they met or not. For me that's less pertinent as the question surrounding Waltz's addition of a number he didn't recognize to this kind of chat on an app the Pentagon said they shouldn't be using for this kind of communication.
 
ElChupacabra said:
I have no idea, but what we know is there are two men with different stories about whether they met or not.
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shrug...

ElChupacabra said:
For me that's less pertinent as the question surrounding Waltz's addition of a number he didn't recognize to this kind of chat
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If you set up a group telephone call with people in your phone's contact list, are you SURE the phone number for one of your contacts actually belongs to that person? Are you SURE someone didn't alter the contact information?

Yes, perhaps you have more control over that kind of information on your phone than someone in the federal government where other government employees are responsible for keeping your contact list up to date.
 
Mycroft said:
Nah...

It's nothing like that. It's just typical deep state shit.
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Post #231


"Typical deep state shit" on the part of Mike Waltz.

So, why hasn't trump fired Waltz?
 
Mycroft said:
When did this happen?
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This is the simplest explanation for how and when it happened.
chriscillizza.substack.com

Here's what Mike Waltz won't tell you

This is getting ridiculous.
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Waltz was a member of Congress from Florida before being NSA. He was interested in national security matters. He was ambitious. He was part of the DC scene. As was Goldberg.

They met at some point and Goldberg told Waltz that if he ever needed him or had anything worth sharing he could contact him — discreetly via Signal.

Waltz added Goldberg’s Signal handle to his phone. Or to the phone of a senior aide.

Accidents happen.

Right? Like doesn’t that make a hell of a lot more sense than some secret mission by some shadowy group to add Goldberg to a Signal chain? Why Goldberg? Why this chain? And how the hell did “they” do it?

Like, come on. It’s obvious what happened here.

Why doesn’t Waltz own up to it? Well because Donald Trump hates the Atlantic and Goldberg in particular. (Remember that Goldberg is the guy who reported that Trump referred to dead servicemen as “suckers” and “losers.”)

So Waltz doesn’t want to admit he knows Goldberg and may have even corresponded with him. Because that makes him part of the Washingtons swamp in Trump’s eyes.
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Atomic Kid said:
This is the simplest explanation for how and when it happened.
chriscillizza.substack.com

Here's what Mike Waltz won't tell you

This is getting ridiculous.
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I like Cillizza a lot. He's so much more persuasive and engaging and nuanced in person than he is in his writing. His writing has gone downhill a little over the past five years; I thought it was just pressure from his editors to take a certain narrative before he got canned, but maybe I was mistaken
 
Visbek said:
I don't agree with your analysis here.

This disaster isn't a result of arrogance. It's an attempt to avoid keeping records of their communications, as required by federal law.

The Federal Records Act requires that these types of communications be retained. However, the Signal chat was set to delete all messages after 4 weeks. They also know that if something hits the fan, they're going to have to explain themselves, and don't want to have things like "I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC." on the record.

It also stands to reason that if they're talking about imminent military attacks on Signal, without anyone batting an eye, then they're talking about lots of other topics, and blatantly violating the FRA.
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Yes. I mentioned that before, or maybe it was a different thread. I agree wholeheartedly. The arrogance is in thinking they were smarter than everyone else and could get away with it.

But this is normal for Trump. In his first term we learned that he would grab phones from staffers and call people so it wouldn’t be recorded or logged.

I’ve said before. One of the big reasons I didn’t vote for Hillary was that she was clever, but always a hair short of being clever enough to make her schemes work. These Trump team members are way short of that level of cleverness. They are dumb and inept.

The Fanboys like to think that these guys are just unlucky. It isn’t luck that they are lacking. And a person with even average intelligence knows you don’t bet the farm on luck.
 
MTAtech said:
Hmmm... I think the NSA knew enough about Signal.
www.cbsnews.com

NSA warned of vulnerabilities in Signal app a month before Houthi strike chat

The National Security Agency sent a bulletin in February warning of Russian hackers trying to access encrypted conversations on Signal.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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Didn't read too far into your own citation, did you?

The key point in that article was exactly what I was posting earlier on:

The unclassified but for-official-use-only documents provided to CBS News by a senior U.S. intelligence official are entitled "Signal Vulnerability"​
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Signal responded to the bulletin in a social media post Tuesday, saying the NSA's "memo used the term 'vulnerability' in relation to Signal-but it had nothing to do with Signal's core tech. It was warning against phishing scams targeting Signal users."​
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"Phishing isn't new, and it's not a flaw in our encryption or any of Signal's underlying technology," the company said. "Phishing attacks are a constant threat for popular apps and websites."​

"It" (the NSA document) "was warning against phishing scams targeting Signal users.".
The NSA guidance on Signal (follow documents provided to CBS News link) is, in fact best summarized by, 'Don't go following suspicious QR codes or links from suspicious sources inviting the user to a group chat, and you won't compromise your Signal security.'

Signal the application is secure.

Now matter how secure, it can't prevent a user from falling prey to social engineering and following those suspicious QR codes or links from suspicious sources which link another device as it were the user's own device. That's beyond the app.

MTAtech said:
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This wasn't because of the tool, whatever that was. Might have been Signal, but I don't think it was ever specified.
 
Ikari said:
They are using an unclassed, public phone app to discuss sensitive or classified information.
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Apparently being used by high officials since the Obama admin, no outrage then, but reserved for now. How curious.

Further, the NSA guidance on Signal, as provided in post #254 and elaborated on in post #270 doesn't even say Signal is prohibited from use.
What it does say:

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is Signal is permitted.

Ikari said:
A "keyboard error" would get a normal person in hot water when creating leaks.
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The 'keyboard error' was a contact entry with the wrong number, the journalists, or adding that journalist to the group chat he wasn't meant to be in.

Ikari said:
If they used the appropriate tools they have at their disposal for proper communication of sensitive or classified information, or had just had a meeting in a SCIF, none of this would have happened. If they're discussing military operations pre-engagement, who knows what sort of sensitive or classified info they're throwing around this app.
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As I correctly observed in post #270, Signal and its communications are secure, but the user can fall prey to social engineering and clicking the wrong invite link can lead to being compromised.
 
eohrnberger said:
Apparently being used by high officials since the Obama admin, no outrage then, but reserved for now. How curious.

Further, the NSA guidance on Signal, as provided in post #254 and elaborated on in post #270 doesn't even say Signal is prohibited from use.
What it does say:

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is Signal is permitted.


The 'keyboard error' was a contact entry with the wrong number, the journalists, or adding that journalist to the group chat he wasn't meant to be in.


As I correctly observed in post #270, Signal and its communications are secure, but the user can fall prey to social engineering and clicking the wrong invite link can lead to being compromised.
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Yeah, it's OK for unclassed information, since it's an unclassed app.

lol

It's not for sensitive or classified information, as I said.
 
Ikari said:
Yeah, it's OK for unclassed information, since it's an unclassed app.

lol

It's not for sensitive or classified information, as I said.
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Its been much talk about that the communications contained classified information.
I've also hear counter claims that the communication didn't contain classified information.

I don't think that there's been anything definitive on this, beyond politically motivated claims, coming from both sides.

What I'll say is that I know that I don't know if it did, or if it didn't contain classified information.
 
eohrnberger said:
Apparently being used by high officials since the Obama admin, no outrage then, but reserved for now. How curious.

Further, the NSA guidance on Signal, as provided in post #254 and elaborated on in post #270 doesn't even say Signal is prohibited from use.
What it does say:

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is Signal is permitted.


The 'keyboard error' was a contact entry with the wrong number, the journalists, or adding that journalist to the group chat he wasn't meant to be in.


As I correctly observed in post #270, Signal and its communications are secure, but the user can fall prey to social engineering and clicking the wrong invite link can lead to being compromised.
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The government doesn't know if signal is really secure. For all the government knows some other government could have access to a signal employee to help compromise any keys or conversations. There could be a zero day situation. The government doesn't control the security of Signal. As a result Signal unsurprisingly is not approved to exchange this sort of information in our government.
 
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