Mike Waltz claims ‘full responsibility’ for Signal chat group leaked to journalist

[beefheart]

“We are currently clean on OPSEC”

Here Are the Attack Plans That Trump’s Advisers Shared on Signal

The administration has downplayed the importance of the text messages inadvertently sent to The Atlantic’s editor in chief.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Allan]

The memo didn't say Signal "shouldn't be used".

Are you SURE you read the article? Or, maybe you just have a problem comprehending what you read?

How about posting a link to your bullshit...

The Signal app isn't the problem. It is certified by all the government security agencies as being secure

 

[BabaVoss]

The memo didn't say Signal "shouldn't be used".

Are you SURE you read the article? Or, maybe you just have a problem comprehending what you read?

“The bulletin also underscored to NSA employees that third-party messaging applications such as Signaland Whatsapp are permitted for certain "unclassified accountability/recall exercises" but not for communicating more sensitive information.”

It should be obvious to anyone that non-public DoD information did not belong there. Reckless, stupid incompetence.

 

[Mycroft]

That could be one explanation, and if so, it could have been a simple data entry error (wrong phone number), or it could have been malicious, or maybe even something else. Who knows?

My guess is that it'll be handled internally and quietly, as would be most appropriate.

A "simple data entry error"? That just so happened to be the number of one of the most aggressive media Trump haters? I don't think so.

It might be handled quietly, but I think that would be a mistake. I think this should be broadcast to the world. The perpetrator should be totally exposed to the public. EVERYONE should learn the lesson that ****ing around with the Trump administration like this is happening and that it won't be tolerated.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Allan]

A "simple data entry error"? That just so happened to be the number of one of the most aggressive media Trump haters? I don't think so.

It might be handled quietly, but I think that would be a mistake. I think this should be broadcast to the world. The perpetrator should be totally exposed to the public. EVERYONE should learn the lesson that ****ing around with the Trump administration like this is happening and that it won't be tolerated.

What rubbish.

Going to back first batch of bullshit up?

The Signal app isn't the problem. It is certified by all the government security agencies as being secure

 

[Metric Mouse]

I'll make you a deal: when you stop lying about being a "Progressive", I'll start treating your posts seriously. Until then, bye

Fair.

I'm pretty progressive, so that was easy. Pick any post of mine and say where the point isn't mostly (and usually very) progressive?

So why did you bring up the same MAGA talking points used against Clinton like, ten years ago? Didn't we all decide that was a nothingburger?

Notice how I call out individual posts by you, and you have zero evidence for your claims?

 

[Metric Mouse]

Is there anything more transparent than including reporters in high level governmental discussions?

Would you prefer they be less transparent?

 

[Tamuro]

Trumps entire staff are completely incompetent and “yes men”. Not one set of balls amongst any of them.

 

[Allan]

Is there anything more transparent than including reporters in high level governmental discussions?

Would you prefer they be less transparent?

This was a discussion of military operations in advance of the strike. Transparency in this case would risk the operation and lives.

 

[Jay Falcon]

Oh, you can be sure that heads will roll when they find out who put Goldberg's number in the contact for someone else.

Please stop humiliating yourself. It's so cringe.

Is it really that hard to admit that Trump's team of idiots screwed up?

 

[Ikari]

These guys look worse and worse.

Waltz struggles to explain what happened but he has Elmo looking into it...



Later in the interview he suggests Goldberg might have hacked into the text group....



The most clueless person might still be Donald Trump who at first knew nothing about this, even after the Atlantic story was being widely reported, and now thinks it was a phone call...

Mike Waltz claims ‘full responsibility’ for Signal chat group leaked to journalist

Trump adviser says he can’t explain how Atlantic editor Jeffrey Goldberg’s number was included in the group chat

www.theguardian.com

I like the "best technical minds" part. Like, does it take the best technical minds to understand you shouldn't be discussing sensitive it classified material on an unsecured phone app? lol

 

[Callen]

The hearings today should be "interesting" to say the least.

 

[Allan]

I like the "best technical minds" part. Like, does it take the best technical minds to understand you shouldn't be discussing sensitive it classified material on an unsecured phone app? lol

Does it take the "best technical minds" to understand you shouldn't invite a journalist to the unsecured chat?

 

[Ikari]

Does it take the "best technical minds" to understand you shouldn't invite a journalist to the unsecured chat?

Well, maybe for Trump staffers, lol.

 

[MTAtech]

You are ignoring something very important that Waltz said...that the contact in the Signal app had one person's name and, instead of their number, it had that reporter's number. Yes, Waltz is doing the right thing and taking full responsibility for this happening, but he knows HE didn't do that and you can be damned sure he's going to find out who did.

I would hate to be that person.

They used Signal because they are lazy, incompetent, or don’t know or care about established protocols for secure communications (or all of those.)

Consequently, when what those protocols are supposed to do aren’t used, a failure occurs and someone takes the blame. However, that person knows nothing will happen because nobody will charge them and if they miraculously got charged, the Fascist In Chief would pardon them. So, there is no incentive to following established protocols.

But why were they sharing highly sensitive information over a private messaging app rather than using secure channels? The most likely explanation is that they wanted to evade accountability: texts between government officials are supposed to remain part of the record, while Signal texts can be and in this case were set to disappear. As Phillips O’Brien notes, war planning aside, what the group chat reveals is top officials’ contempt for and hostility toward Europe; some of them opposed an operation against the Houthis because clearing the shipping lanes might help our (erstwhile?) allies.

So the disaster reflected both stupidity and bad intentions. And the same is true of other ongoing disasters, including the shockingly rapid collapse of the Social Security Administration.

 

[Metric Mouse]

This was a discussion of military operations in advance of the strike. Transparency in this case would risk the operation and lives.

I mean, I don't think f 18 pilots were worried about terrorists shooting them down. They've been running bombing missions weekly for 1.5 years... the terrorists know that they are going to be bombed.

But if you want less transparency, that is fine. Many people do.

Others want more transparency. There is no level that is going to make everyone happy,

 

[Allan]

I mean, I don't think f 18 pilots were worried about terrorists shooting them down. They've been running bombing missions weekly for 1.5 years... the terrorists know that they are going to be bombed.

But if you want less transparency, that is fine. Many people do.

Others want more transparency. There is no level that is going to make everyone happy,

They weren't being transparent. They ****ed up.

If they were being transparent as you claim they would have briefed Fox News.

 

[Bubber]

The memo didn't say Signal "shouldn't be used".

Are you SURE you read the article? Or, maybe you just have a problem comprehending what you read?

But this one DOES:

Unmanaged 'messaging apps,' including any app with a chat feature, regardless of the primary function, are NOT authorized to access, transmit, process non-public DoD information. This includes but is not limited to messaging, gaming, and social media apps. (i.e., iMessage, WhatsApps, Signal)

emphasis mine.

https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/Library/Memo-UseOfUnclassMobileApps.pdf

 

[ncguy]

I mean, I don't think f 18 pilots were worried about terrorists shooting them down. They've been running bombing missions weekly for 1.5 years... the terrorists know that they are going to be bombed.

But if you want less transparency, that is fine. Many people do.

Others want more transparency. There is no level that is going to make everyone happy,

not being incompetent would make me happy(ier).
military ops shouldn't be transparent.

 

[ncguy]

But this one DOES:


emphasis mine.

https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/Library/Memo-UseOfUnclassMobileApps.pdf

unless my croft wants to argue that this conversation wasn't "non public dod information", then clearly it says it should NOT be used.
i mean..clearly this is NOT public information, so clearly signal shouldn't be used.

 

[beefheart]

This was a discussion of military operations in advance of the strike. Transparency in this case would risk the operation and lives.

Isn't is amazing, the mental gymnastic that Maga is going through to justify such an egregious security leak, one that would send you and I to Leavenworth prison for a long spell.

That is what cults do to brains.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

The Signal app isn't the problem. It is certified by all the government security agencies as being secure.

As usual, @Mycroft is lounging in a pool of willful ignorance.

Pentagon warned staffers against using Signal before White House chat leak

Bulletin sent on 18 March said Russian hackers could access messages as Trump officials now downplay blunder

www.google.com

 

[eohrnberger]

A "simple data entry error"? That just so happened to be the number of one of the most aggressive media Trump haters? I don't think so.

Fair enough. That is too much of a coincidence. In my defense I did say 'could have been'.

It might be handled quietly, but I think that would be a mistake. I think this should be broadcast to the world. The perpetrator should be totally exposed to the public. EVERYONE should learn the lesson that ****ing around with the Trump administration like this is happening and that it won't be tolerated.

Hmm. i guess we'd need to refine what I meant by 'quietly' and 'internally'.
While the firing / discipline of the person might be 'quietly', word sure will get around internally.
I meant 'internally' as in 'not in the media'.

You don't feel the same? OK.