Michael Flynn Wants Trump To Declare Martial Law And Redo The Election

[Athanasius68]

We'v strayed from the tread, which is about Flynn calling for Marshall Law to undo the election.

There is no justification for such a call, which his highly undemocratic and undermines America. Basically, it is a confirmation that Republicans don't believe that a Democrat winning the presidency is ever legitimate and when they do, Republicans should use authoritarian means to negate the win.

We just spent the last four years hearing that Mr. Trump was "illegitimate" because of the belief -- without evidence-- he was elected as a result of conspiring with Russia.
So the stronger and more substantiated way of looking at Mr. Flynn's comment is that the Democrats are now reaping what they have sown.

 

[pamak]

The FBI is also a criminal investigation agency.
It is against the law to use a counter-intelligence probe to as a pretext to get around a problem of having insufficient justification for a criminal probe.

The USA already had the tapes as to what was discussed. So if the Russian version appeared upon the front page of the NY TIMES, so what? Flynn can't be blackmailed is already known to the USA. by Russia with something tha

You have shown no reasoning for why the FBI should have ignored as a counter-intelligence agency the fact that the upcoming NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER lies about his talkss with foreign officials and makes him vulnerable to compromising!

Flynn did not know what the FBI had. If he did HE WOULD NOT HAVE LIED TO THE FBI INVESTIGATORS! Amd the mere fact of putting himself in such position *giving leverage to Russians) could also be a result of Flynn being already compromised even before the sanctions talks with the Russian ambassador. The fact that Flynn was FIRED as a result of the lies he told about the conversation he held with the Russian ambassador shows that a person who could expose the content of that conversation COULD HARM FLYNN and thus could blackmail him!

 

[pamak]

That wasn't their decision. Burdick was about a guy given a pardon so he would be compelled to testify in court.
Burdick refused the pardon. The issue was whether a pardon can be declined.
The above quote was simply about how somebody in that situation might rationalize the impact of a pardon.

You cannot counter a quote from the case by quoting yourself!
If you want to make an argument based on evidence, use quotes from te court decision to support your claims regarding what the judges decided!

 

[Rich2018]

We just spent the last four years hearing that Mr. Trump was "illegitimate" because of the belief -- without evidence-- he was elected as a result of conspiring with Russia.
So the stronger and more substantiated way of looking at Mr. Flynn's comment is that the Democrats are now reaping what they have sown.

Trump almost certainly did benefit from Russian interference in the 2016 election. But:

The Democrats never called for martial law to oust Trump
Hilary conceded the election, even though she won the popular vote by millions - if anyone, anywhere can claim a rigged election, it is her

So what did the Democrats "sow" exactly ?

 

[Rich2018]

So-- whats the fact that may be against the law?
Its not against the law to call for martial law.

Yes it is
It's called sedition

I do understand socialists like using law enforcement against their political opponents.

Like:

Hitler
Charles I, Henry VIII of England
Louis XIV of France
Just about ever Tsar of Russia
General Franco
Imperial Japan
Argentine Junta or the 1970's-1982
Apartheid era South Africa

 

[Cordelier]

That wasn't their decision. Burdick was about a guy given a pardon so he would be compelled to testify in court.
Burdick refused the pardon. The issue was whether a pardon can be declined.
The above quote was simply about how somebody in that situation might rationalize the impact of a pardon.

That's ridiculous... the quotation speaks for itself. But I'm not going to bother debating the nature of reality with someone who is obviously dead set on seeing only what he wants to see. We're done here.

 

[pamak]

We just spent the last four years hearing that Mr. Trump was "illegitimate" because of the belief -- without evidence-- he was elected as a result of conspiring with Russia.
So the stronger and more substantiated way of looking at Mr. Flynn's comment is that the Democrats are now reaping what they have sown.

The evidence that Trump got HELP from Russia is not disputed. All intelligence agencies, under two different administrations (including Trump's) said so.

The fact that Trump asked in public the Russians to help him is also not disputed.

The evidence that his campaign advisor shared classified campaign info with Russians linked to foreign secret services came from the GOP Senate.

The fact that Mueller did not find the level of coordination that was required to elevate such actions of collusion to conspiracy does not mean that Trump and some of his advisors did not wink or did not cooperate or did not encourage the Russians to help them!

Flynn just expose the fanaticism of Trump;s minion who continue to support him. Flynn thought that he could get away (and eventually he did thanks to the pardon) because he never imagined that Pence woud intervene and make public statements related to the cnversations Flynn had with the Russian ambassador. The moment Pence made such comments, Flynn came to a verry difficult situation because the exxposure of his conversation would reveal that either Pence lied or that Flynn lied to Pence, and in such scenario the expendable person was the unelected Flynn!

Flynn also did not expect that the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION (Rosenstein) would appoint a special prosecutor who could eventually get access t the conversations Flynn had with top aids at the White House. So, Flynn thought that he could trick the FBI by claiming that he "could not recall" if he discuessed or not sanctions. Unfortunately for him, the access to Flynn's conversations with the top Trump aids exposed his LIE! It became obvious that Flynn could NOT have forgoten that he discussed sanctions when at the same time reported to those aids giving info about the taks he had which included his discussion about the sanctions! That was the type of evidence that rose to "beyond reasonable doubt" that Flynn lied to the FBI when he claimed that he could not recall whether he discussed the sanctions! And THIS is why he was charged!

 

[Athanasius68]

The evidence that Trump got HELP from Russia is not disputed. All intelligence agencies, under two different administrations (including Trump's) said so.

The fact that Trump asked in public the Russians to help him is also not disputed.

The evidence that his campaign advisor shared classified campaign info with Russians linked to foreign secret services came from the GOP Senate.

The fact that Mueller did not find the level of coordination that was required to elevate such actions of collusion to conspiracy does not mean that Trump and some of his advisors did not wink or did not cooperate or did not encourage the Russians to help them!

Flynn just expose the fanaticism of Trump;s minion who continue to support him. Flynn thought that he could get away (and eventually he did thanks to the pardon) because he never imagined that Pence woud intervene and make public statements related to the cnversations Flynn had with the Russian ambassador. The moment Pence made such comments, Flynn came to a verry difficult situation because the exxposure of his conversation would reveal that either Pence lied or that Flynn lied to Pence, and in such scenario the expendable person was the unelected Flynn!

Flynn also did not expect that the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION (Rosenstein) would appoint a special prosecutor who could eventually get access t the conversations Flynn had with top aids at the White House. So, Flynn thought that he could trick the FBI by claiming that he "could not recall" if he discuessed or not sanctions. Unfortunately for him, the access to Flynn's conversations with the top Trump aids exposed his LIE! It became obvious that Flynn could NOT have forgoten that he discussed sanctions when at the same time reported to those aids giving info about the taks he had which included his discussion about the sanctions! That was the type of evidence that rose to "beyond reasonable doubt" that Flynn lied to the FBI when he claimed that he could not recall whether he discussed the sanctions! And THIS is why he was charged!

And as been pointed out ad infinitum, the Trump campaign received nothing from Russia.
Meanwhile the Clinton campaign sought and received stuff from Russia-- via as we now know a probable Russian agent.

 

[pamak]

And as been pointed out ad infinitum, the Trump campaign received nothing from Russia.
Meanwhile the Clinton campaign sought and received stuff from Russia-- via as we now know a probable Russian agent.

It received the DNC emails for sure!

And Russia received from Manafort classified Trump campaign info according to the GOP controlled Senate.

Meanwhile, Clinton received NOTHING from the Russian GOVERNMENT nor did she ever solicit Putin for such favors, in public or in private, directly or indirectly through a third party.

 

[Athanasius68]

It received the DNC emails for sure!

And Russia rceived from Manafort classified Trump campaign info

Meanwhile, Clinton received NOTHING from the Russian GOVERNMENT nor did it ever solicit in public or in private Putin for such favors!

The Trump campaign never received the DNC emails. Those were released to the media.

At this point, you are going to have to say that it was just a coincidence that it was a suspected Russian agent feeding Steele. Not sure why you want to do that.

 

[pamak]

The Trump campaign never received the DNC emails. Those were released to the media.

At this point, you are going to have to say that it was just a coincidence that it was a suspected Russian agent feeding Steele. Not sure why you want to do that.

Trump asked and received the gift and both were in public view. The Russians thought they could hide it by using Wikileaks but they were exposed by the US intelligence agencies!

I have not seen any substantiated (by logic) suspicion that whoever provided Steele false information was working for Putin's government.

The whole idea does not make sense because it is pretty clear that Putin's government had no reason to provide false info that harmed their favorite candidate.

 

[Athanasius68]

Trump asked and received the gift and both were in public view. The Russians thought they could hide it by using Wikileaks but they were exposed by the US intelligence agencies!

I have not seen any substantiated suspicio that whoeevr provided Steele false information was working for Putin's government. And the whole idea does not make sense because it is pretty clear that Putin's government had no reason to provide false info that harmed their favorite candidate.

Again, you have to have faith that a suspected Russian agent was just freelancing...

 

[pamak]

Again, you have to have faith that a suspected Russian agent was just freelancing...

Again, it is much more probable that for getting a few bucks,, people were eager to say whatever sounded interesting in the ears of the private investigator (Steele) than believing in the scenario that Putin was using his agents to spread info that undermined his favorite candidate!

 

[Athanasius68]

Again, it is much more probable that for getting a few bucks,, people were eager to say whatever sounded interesting in the ears of the private investigator (Steele) than believing in the scenario that Putin was using his agents to spread info that undermined his favorite candidate!

Steele had no first hand knowledge of what he wrote. Somebody else told him and that person was told something by somebody else...

Russia likes to support both sides in a country.

 

[pamak]

Steele had no first hand knowledge of what he wrote. Somebody else told him and that person was told something by somebody else...

Russia likes to support both sides in a country.

The first is irrelevant to the points we dicuss.



The second is not supported by the available evidence and logic! You make a claim without giving a convincing explanation for why Putin would choose to undermine AT THAT TIME (close to the US elections) his favorite candidate when the stakes were high because of the Russian policies in Ukraine.
Also, Putin could have easily exposed (but did not do it) that Trump lied when he claimed that he did not pursue any business deals in Russia. Eventually, we learned fro Mueller the truth

Mueller Outlines 3 Business Deals Trump Pursued In Russia

According to the Mueller report, Donald Trump chased three potential business deals in Russia around the time of his campaign.

www.forbes.com

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Michael Flynn Wants Trump To Declare Martial Law And Redo The Election

The president's freshly pardoned ex-national security adviser retweeted a statement advocating suspending the Constitution.

www.huffpost.com

Michael Flynn, President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser who was pardoned by the president last week for lying during the Russia investigation, wants Trump to declare martial law and “temporarily suspend the Constitution” until a new election is held.
Flynn, who had been awaiting sentencing for lying to the FBI about his Russian contacts before Trump’s pardon, on Tuesday retweeted a news release from a right-wing Ohio group called We The People Convention asking the president to declare martial law so troops can supervise a do-over of the 2020 election.

Biden's FBI should open an investigation of Flynn's and of this Ohio group's acivities. Now, I suspect Flynn lackeys will suddenly remember the constitution and ask others to respect it but I do not see any problem with that. The FBI can open a perfectly legal investigation.

Has no leftist noticed that the Constitution is already being ignored and martial law declared??

 

[pamak]

Has no leftist noticed that the Constitution is already being ignored and martial law declared??

Is this the excuse you will use to go along with declaring martial law?