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Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

So far do you think Michael Dunn is guilty of murder?

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Excon said:
Really?
You must be speaking of tribalism in reference to race.
I am not.
I am speaking of tribalism in reference to the community as a whole, which the Jurors represent.

The community being against Dunn can lead to the Jurors not following the law.
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In fairness to you, I elaborated and edited my post as you were replying. Oh no, tribalism can take many forms; political affiliation, race, gender, age, anything. So you're suggesting it might be a North Florida against Central Florida (Dunn's home) thing if he gets convicted? Interesting.
 
As I edited mine.

Just as racial tribalism does exist, so does community tribalism.
Regardless of it's existence, it is irrational, and can lead to faulty decisions. Sometimes purposeful bad decisions.
 
The biggest thing that stands out to me is that he left and went back to his motel. If you believe you shot someone and did so justly you do not leave that scene. You wait for the cops.
 
Kreton said:
The biggest thing that stands out to me is that he left and went back to his motel. If you believe you shot someone and did so justly you do not leave that scene. You wait for the cops.
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Can you point out when/where he came to the belief he actually shot the person he was shooting at? I ask because I am pretty sure he did not learn he actually shot the person until later.
 




It looks like he is guilty.
 
Excon said:
Can you point out when/where he came to the belief he actually shot the person he was shooting at? I ask because I am pretty sure he did not learn he actually shot the person until later.
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Dunn testified himself that he knew about the death at 1:00 in the morning, while still in the hotel. He then proceeded to sleep, wake up, and drive 2.5 hours home.

He contradicted himself several times today, his fiancee directly contradicted his testimony on several points today, and his police interview directly contradicted some of his testimony today.
 
Excon said:
Can you point out when/where he came to the belief he actually shot the person he was shooting at? I ask because I am pretty sure he did not learn he actually shot the person until later.
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I dont think that really matters. Common sense would be enough to believe he knows that if he discharges a firearm at someone, regardless of hitting that person, that he needs wait for and possibly notify the authorities. You cannot shoot someone, or at someone, even legally and then just leave.
 
Yes you can leave.
 
Excon said:
Yes you can leave.
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No you cant.

EDIT unless staying in that area would reasonably leave you in danger in which case you still have to go to a nearby location and call the police. Not go back to your hotel. The guy fled a non hostile (other than himself) scene.
 
wolfsgirl said:
Dunn testified himself that he knew about the death at 1:00 in the morning, while still in the hotel.
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Thereby showing that he left the scene not knowing that anybody had been shot.
Thank you for making my point.


wolfsgirl said:
He contradicted himself several times today, his fiancee directly contradicted his testimony on several points today, and his police interview directly contradicted some of his testimony today.
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By all means, if that is what you think, please provide theses contradictions.
 
Kreton said:
The biggest thing that stands out to me is that he left and went back to his motel. If you believe you shot someone and did so justly you do not leave that scene. You wait for the cops.
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For me its not just one factor but compounding factors. Fleeing the scene, drunk, opening up on the entire SUV including the passengers he says were innocent like he's Kim Jong-un or Uday, continuing to fire repeatedly as the SUV was fleeing, no shotgun found, racist letters from jail and possibly emboldened by the Zimmerman case.
 
Kreton said:
No you cant.

EDIT unless staying in that area would reasonably leave you in danger in which case you still have to go to a nearby location and call the police. Not go back to your hotel. The guy fled a non hostile (other than himself) scene.
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Wrong.
He left because he thought the guy he was shooting at was armed and may start shooting back, and/or that they may be calling in their friends to do the same.
 
Excon said:
Wrong.
He left because he thought the guy he was shooting at was armed and may start shooting back, and/or that they may be calling in their friends to do the same.
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You still have to call the cops. 100% of the time. You can remove yourself from the immediate situation if you feel you are in danger. However you are absolutely required to call the cops at the first opportunity.
 
Kreton said:
You still have to call the cops. 100% of the time. You can remove yourself from the immediate situation if you feel you are in danger. However you are absolutely required to call the cops at the first opportunity.
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Prove it.
And prove that he can't wait like he did.
 
wolfsgirl said:
Watch the trial video. I'm not going to go back through 7 hours of testimony to make a list for you.
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So you are asserting something you can't back up. Figures.

Get back to me when you finally can.
 
Excon said:
Thereby showing that he left the scene not knowing that anybody had been shot.
Thank you for making my point.


By all means, if that is what you think, please provide theses contradictions.
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He stated that he told his fiancee about seeing a gun that night when they left the gas station, she said he didn't.
He stated that the music wasn't on when they pulled up, she said it was already on.
He stated that she didn't want him to call the police, she said that she asked him to call the police.
He stated that Davis got out of the car, yet he also said that the cars were too close for him to open his door, and she said that the cars were too close.
He said he only fired one shot at the rear of the car, but his own police interview he said that he fired 4 at the rear of the car.

There are many more, but those are the ones that came right to my mind. If you want to see the rest, you can watch all 7 hours of today's testimony.
 
Excon said:
Wrong.
He left because he thought the guy he was shooting at was armed and may start shooting back, and/or that they may be calling in their friends to do the same.
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He is required to report that immediately. If he was worried about someone would shoot him you still go to another close by location and call the cops. He didnt even do that. Hell even in his SUV leaving one of those 2 had a cell phone, or passed by a business or saw a cop or something before getting to the hotel. Definately the hotel lobby had a phone. I am pretty sure his room did. If he thought someone had threatened his life and he discharged his firearm in self defense he would have called. If he did think these guys had a gun and were now going to come after him, call his friends, or start shooting back that is even more reason to notify the police. If he was acting in self defense he would have called the cops. Innocent men dont run from the cops, they dont hide.
 
Can you prove in any form what so ever that these kids were threatening him? And before you start, yes he does have to show his life was in reasonable danger. Just like every other self defense claim in history. You have a group of unarmed teens that he approached. They did not assault him. Noone heard them threaten him. Noone saw a gun. There is no actual indication that any of that happened. The only thing that is known really is that he shot the truck up and then fled and hid from the police. A man who shoots in self defense does not do that. He calls the cops and reports the incident as the law requires.
 
It looks like that is what he did.
 

Today on the stand Dunn claimed that he was watching out in the hotel because he was terrified that the "gangsters" were coming after him. Yet he took the dog out for a walk, and even though he was terrified never called the police.
 
As I thought. Your recollection is as faulty as your claim.

And I will add ...
His testimony being different from another's is not contradicting himself as you claimed.
 
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