Obama and his minions screw the pooch and team Obama is blaming Bush again.
SHOCKING I TELL YOU
i swear if liberals spent as much time trying to fix problems as they did blaming bush,we would all be swimming in a sea of gold,but obviously blaming someone is easier than fixing a problem or admitting you screwed up.
Only morons actually believe that American gun laws have anything to do with violence in a country as corrupt as Mexico and only dishonest obamamites claim that cracking down on legitimate American gun dealers is a relevant responseIt says it traced 68K guns back to the USA. I heard today, flipping channels in the car, that they have confiscated over 300K guns... also that most guns they trace average to be about 15 years old. So how 'update' is their data? And what is the total number of guns for sure. If only 68K of 300K came from America, then the picture is quite different than the anti-gun folks want painted.
It says it traced 68K guns back to the USA. I heard today, flipping channels in the car, that they have confiscated over 300K guns... also that most guns they trace average to be about 15 years old. So how 'update' is their data? And what is the total number of guns for sure. If only 68K of 300K came from America, then the picture is quite different than the anti-gun folks want painted.
Obama and his minions screw the pooch and team Obama is blaming Bush again.
SHOCKING I TELL YOU
Says the guy who accuses ME of mistating what others say. :lol:
I'm not "blaming" Bush or Obama. Trying to prevent gun smuggling from the U.S. to criminals across the border is just being a good neighbor.
But you have an obvious logic problem if you're claiming that Obama just did it as an underhanded way to attack U.S. gun owners ... unless you think that Bush was also engaged in a sneaky attack on gun owners' rights. Is that what you're saying?
the fast and furious program under Obama was designed to create ammunition for the anti gun elements in the administration to justify further restrictions on american FFL holders.
But the almost identical Bush program was not, is that what you're trying to say? Can you explain the difference? Do you have any evidence to support the motive you ascribe to the Obama program, other than pure partisan hackery and right wing paranoia?
the atf used to list the number of untrackable illegally made guns,since obamas administartion they have onlylisted trackable guns,the fact they blame 100% of guns in mexico on the us,but cant list how many untrackable guns shows they have an agenda.
unlike td though i dont believe its for anti gun purposes,i believe its because the atf would lose funding and staff due to lessening crimes in america between the bush and obama terms.
They don't blame 100% of the guns in Mexicon on the US. That's bull****. I believe it's ONLY about 20%.
Do you think we would have a problem with Mexico if 20% of the guns used in crimes here came from Mexico? I think Americans would have a big problem with it.
yes quite the red herring,but keep going maybe someone will fallfor it
What, you're not going to try to defend your bogus claim? :roll:
But the almost identical Bush program was not, is that what you're trying to say? Can you explain the difference? Do you have any evidence to support the motive you ascribe to the Obama program, other than pure partisan hackery and right wing paranoia?
Except they weren't quite the same really.
Bush - a few hundred guns, tracking protocols in place, full notification with Mexican officials.
Obama - none of that, just a wing and a prayer and the most inept Attorney Gen and Justice Dept in my life time.
Oh and there is that other agenda, you know the one about control.
Except they were the same, really, other than the fact that F&F involved more guns. Under Bush the ATF and DOJ actually ran two gun walking operations involving a total of about 650 guns -- not a few hundred. In the first operation, "Wide Receiver", nearly all of the guns were lost in Mexico.
They don't blame 100% of the guns in Mexicon on the US. That's bull****. I believe it's ONLY about 20%.
Do you think we would have a problem with Mexico if 20% of the guns used in crimes here came from Mexico? I think Americans would have a big problem with it.
You mean F&F? That was a sting operation (poorly) designed to track the source of the illegal trade. It was a lot of guns, but a drop in the bucket relative to number illegally crossing the border.
. []I guess no one has figured out that people who can import and export billions of dollars of blow can also traffic in firearms rather easily
I believe a standing ovation is in order.
A sting operation, according to who? According to those same higher ups now refusing to answer subpeonas and testify? Like Watergate, its not just the crime, its the cover up where people get caught. There is more to this story, either an illegal for profit money making scheme or a secret war gone haywire, that leads all the way to the WH. Remember Nixon maintained the U.S. wasn't bombing Cambodia. Now we know otherwise.
Does this gunwalking scandal constitute another secret, undeclared war, by the Obama Admin., without the permission of the Congress ?
Impeachment anyone?
before you standing ovation,but but but we made it illegal therefore no one can smuggle guns or blow because the law says so:roll:
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