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Message to materialists

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Message to materialists

« I am very happy, my dear brothers and sisters, to be able to say a few words to you today in this beautiful region of France, with its sky always blue, its perfumed air, and the sun always radiant. What profound silence and what peace in this wonderful place!
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I am sure that you already feel that a new day is rising in the world. The history of the earth and of humanity has its periods which replace one another. Each period adds something new in the life of living beings. Astrological science of ancient times was capable of foreseeing the unrolling of events in the life of human beings, in connection with the movement of the stars and planets. Without entering into the details of the periods through which the earth has already passed, and with it the whole of humanity (which would lead us very far), I shall say to you only that an old age, like a long, painful and dark night, is going away. It is disappearing away, into the past of time to give way to a new age, a culture of the sun! One already hears the children of the sun and of light singing hymns of joy and of gratitude to the inexhaustible goodness of the Creator. One sees the sun opening halfway and the angels, unflagging servants of God, coming down to put order and harmony into sensitive and affectionate souls. A new earth and a new heaven have been in preparation and formation for a long time in God's great studios, workshops. The children of the new life know a wonderful way: the path which leads towards the sun! They have tasted delicious fruits, ripened by the rays of this sun, fruits of joy, of hope and of divine love. They ask now this question to their brothers, a little dulled, numb in matter, deprived of faith and hope: *
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- "Do you believe that intelligent beings still exist on earth?" *
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- "Naturally!", answer these nice brothers, who based everything on matter, having, moreover, never well known what it really represents. "Naturally, we believe it! And these intelligent beings, we are they!" *
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- "Oh, how magnificent it is!", respond the children of the new life, "to be classed among intelligent and reasonable beings." *
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- "Do you believe that there are just and noble beings on the earth?" *
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- "By all means!", answer these brothers made heavy and dulled by matter. "Of course, we believe that! It is we who are these just and noble beings! All the others are in error and total ignorance!" *
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- "Oh how wonderful!", exclaim the children of the new life. "It is marvelous to be just and noble in this life that is so sad and colourless for the majority of human beings." *
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"Do you believe in the existence of good, beautiful and powerful beings?" continue to ask the children of the new life. *
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- "Come on! Honestly! There is no doubt!", answer the brothers a little laggard and rebellious; some of them recognizing that they were beaten or desacrated by some in the struggle for existence, and the others enchanted, enticed or seduced by the charms and beauty of creatures specialized for that." *
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"In such cases, how can one not believe in the existence of powerful and beautiful beings?" *
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After that, the children of hope and of the new life affirm solemnly this: *
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- "Oh, you have supplied us with the means to prove to you and to convince you that beauty, intelligence, force, justice, gentleness, charity, love, patience and all other sublime virtues are qualities and attributes, or grains come from an unique Source, transmitted to us by intermediate centers. This Holy Source nourrishes all the worlds and their creatures in infinite space. If all these qualities and virtues came from yourselves, who are matter and nothing else according in your opinion, why then can you not become at will all powerful, omniscient or beautiful as you wish it yourselves? These qualities which human beings possess come logically, therefore, from a Source which is outside of us, or of our current possibilities. Reunite now by your imagination all these qualities and virtues, amplify them to infinity in one single being. It is that being precisely whom we call the Divinity, from whom come to us all talents and all possibilities, unique Being, unquestiontable, more real than reality itself. To doubt His existence, is to doubt your intelligence, your goodness, your force and the glorious future that you can have. It is the greatest error which slipped itself into the intellect of our brothers, slaves of the material world, who bear pretentious names of atheists, materialists, realists, of rationalists, anarchists and of "abracadabrists". *
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Can we increase our qualities and virtues? *
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Yes. by uniting ourselves: *
- by correct and luminous thoughts of true intelligence, *
- by the warm and vivifying feelings or sentiments of selfless love, *
- by straightforward, upright and noble deeds of an ordered and harmonized activity. *
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By uniting ourselves with this inexhaustible Source of goodness, joy and bless which represents the spiritual Sun, we are walking towards perfection. All true thinkers, all non nebulous true mystics of all ages, the prophets, masters or initiates, acknowledged this great and sublime Truth, beyong all truths. They bowed down with love, humility and adoration before The Supreme Being, who is the true distributor of all good, all interior and exterior riches. All drew force from Him for their inspiration, their revelations, and the actions which ensued them. *
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Do you not feel that there is something changed in life, in human nature and in the surrounding countryside? that even the sun and the most faraway stars are sending us the most moving messages? Do you not feel that underground or subterranean forces, in the oceans, in the air and in cosmic ether, all are in feverish activity? Do you not feel that entities, in countless number, descend from heavenly regions with the plan to awaken us to spiritual truths? And that these beings direct myriad other beings, who work on stones, plants, animals and humans beings? Are you waiting to begin to work with these workers of the new time until the greatest disasters and the largest cataclysms burst out on humanity? That subterranean forces begin to shake the earth's fragile crust? That the oceans flow out onto the continents? That storms and hurricanes show their strength and power in sweeping out everything in front of them? And that the most devastating wars are launched between several nations and tear down the earth? *
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It is said in the Holy Scriptures, that "the sun will be obscured", that "the moon will no longer give light", that "the stars will fall from heaven", and that "the powers of heaven will be set in motion. And then the sign of the Son of man shall appear in heaven." *
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All this is purely symbolic. According to the ancient science of symbols, which revealed and summarized all esoteric science, "the sun will be obscured" signifies that the human intellect, their point of view, will not give any more clarity. The works of numerous scholars, writers and philosophers will present only aberrations, deviations and obscureness. Their point of view, based on an egocentric philosophy will crumble. Here is a striking example: the conclusion drawn by certain researchers sincere, honest, and nevertheless misled; that the law of life is battle, war, and merciless, pitiless fight among creatures for their existence. This conclusion has been drawn thanks to their observation of the inferior regions of life: in the oceans, where everything are eating and devouring each other; in forests, jungles, where animals and wild beasts are devouring each another, in swamps, in families and societies, where, everywhere they report egotism, ferocious fight, slaughter. They believed they were right to draw a conclusion which did not contain the whole truth, but only fifty percent. *

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Solve et Coagula said:
It is the greatest error which slipped itself into the intellect of our brothers, slaves of the material world, who bear pretentious names of atheists, materialists, realists, of rationalists, anarchists and of "abracadabrists".
Maybe we decided in not believing in some giant, universal, invisible man that created everything with serious flaws.

What's wrong with materialism?
 

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What's wrong with materialism?
Apparantly it does not recognise the meaning of existence. However, such a meaning is esoteric to the belief of a metafysical plane, and thus the argument is parsimonious.

Regarding the Sun, I'd have to disagree with you there. Human intellect is symbolised by the bright morning star, the planet Venus, beauty. Not by the Sun. The Sun symbolises the eye of God, whose no eye can look into without turning blind.

Consequently, "the sun will be obscured" means the light of God no longer shines upon them. This has little to do, in my interpretation with human intellect.

Mr U
 
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