Memo shows Trump lawyer's six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election

[Bodecea]

It’s very typical of trump, when you think about it.

The action that was the most radical, and irresponsible was the one he always chose. He loved chaos, and mentally thrived in an environment in which all around him and under him were busy worrying about their positions, backbiting, competing for the emperors ring.

That is the nature of narcissistic sociopaths.

And if it was beyond the pale, that was the choice Trump preferred.

"Chaos is a ladder."

 

[Bodecea]

Ummm...

You DO know that the "media ecosystem" is liberal...right?

 

[mike2810]

Wow....Trump really hates America. And there are those so despicable as to still support his sedition loving ass.

So true. Trump has demonstrated that Trump is for Trump.
What is not surprising is when some of Trump supporters are asked to back up with what they say with names or sources they back away ad dismiss the request.

imo, Trump had some good policies and ideas. Too bad he doesn't know how to lead.

 

[Ikari]

So true. Trump has demonstrated that Trump is for Trump.
What is not surprising is when some of Trump supporters are asked to back up with what they say with names or sources they back away ad dismiss the request.

imo, Trump had some good policies and ideas. Too bad he doesn't know how to lead.

I'm not sure he had good ideas, he never really demonstrated anything above trolling and dividing.

 

[Logophile]

Almost as sad and destructive as Trump himself.

Well, harping on Trump isn't going to make Biden any less a failure on every front, no matter how hard anybody tries. Thanks!!

 

[Ikari]

Well, harping on Trump isn't going to make Biden any less a failure on every front, no matter how hard anybody tries. Thanks!!

Yeah, he has been a pretty poor President. Better than Trump, but still pretty poor.

 

[mike2810]

I'm not sure he had good ideas, he never really demonstrated anything above trolling and dividing.

Living in Arizona, some of his border policies were not bad. For example having people wait in Mexico for their asylum court date.
imo, Trump was in it for Trump. So sad that he cannot comes to grip he lost. As a life long Republican (was independent for a few years). I did not vote for him.
His ego got in the way.

 

[Torus34]

That there are problems at our southern border is a fact. That much can be sorted out by an act of the Congress of the United States of America is also a fact. That the present Congress seems to be looking elsewhere is a third fact. That leaves the Administration, any administration, with the partially bated sword of the executive order.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[Bodecea]

You could have said that trumpism rests on a solid foundation of white racism and white resentment.

It is especially popular in rural and lower middle class rust belt America. It also thrived in the very same part of America where the KKK was strongest in the 1920’s, the isolationist “America First Movement” of 1940, and the John Birchers in the 1960’s.

That’s the land Rush Limbaugh came from, and he knew how to sell flat earth and thinly veiled racism to a receptive audience.

So did Donald Trump. He made few attempts to hide his open racism. In fact, he bragged about it. And his mob loved him for it.

They are the "Know Nothings" of the 21st Century.

 

[j brown's body]

Well, harping on Trump isn't going to make Biden any less a failure on every front, no matter how hard anybody tries. Thanks!!

Biden has done a good job bringing our problems out from underneath the spectacle of the last administration.

This country has many, significant problems. Bluster and show isn't going to solve them. It only compounds them, as we see now.

 

[RealityNow]

Ummm...

You DO know that the "media ecosystem" is liberal...right?

America's principle of REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY is a LIBERAL CONSTRUCT as is every document that was crafted to form it.

It was/is only when people promote/ed discriminatory agenda and try and make it policy and law, and engage to contort the language and use the malfeasance of biases; to pervert the laws and governing principle to support, institute and promote bias, be it racial, gender or other forms of bias and prejudice; does it become one that promotes the angle of manipulation to try to invoke concepts of Conservatism.

The principles underlying the concept of Conservatism, is a means and methods to try to constrict, omit and deny something to the Liberal Masses that make up the Civil, Civic, Social, Environmental and Economics of this nation's Liberal Construct of Representative Democracy of/within the Society and Nation of America.


(Please don't try to degrade what is written with a one liner slap stick comment!! the principles and values of what is written in the above comment, are far too deeply intricate to even make such an attempt)

 

[j brown's body]

So true. Trump has demonstrated that Trump is for Trump.
What is not surprising is when some of Trump supporters are asked to back up with what they say with names or sources they back away ad dismiss the request.

imo, Trump had some good policies and ideas. Too bad he doesn't know how to lead.

Interesting that as the alleged author of Art of the Deal, he couldn't cut any as president.

 

[highroller]

"The Eastman memo laid out a six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election for Trump, which included throwing out the results in seven states because they allegedly had competing electors. In fact, no state had actually put forward an alternate slate of electors -- there were merely Trump allies claiming without any authority to be electors.

Under Eastman's scheme, Pence would have declared Trump the winner with more Electoral College votes after the seven states were thrown out, at 232 votes to 222. Anticipating "howls" from Democrats protesting the overturning of the election, the memo proposes, Pence would instead say that no candidate had reached 270 votes in the Electoral College. That would throw the election to the House of Representatives, where each state would get one vote. Since Republicans controlled 26 state delegations, a majority could vote for Trump to win the election.

"The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission -- either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court," Eastman wrote. "The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind." ...When Pence refused to intervene, Trump turned on his vice president, attacking him on Twitter even as the insurrection at the Capitol was unfolding on January 6."

Link

It seems like the Republican legislators in key states have set up a system for competing electors. All it takes now is a VP and president as corrupt as Trump to play it out. And then it's lights out for democracy in America. But then, we aren't really a democracy anyway, right conservative friends?

“The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Good for Mike Pence telling Trump and his cronies that he would not throw his countrymen to the wolves.

 

[j brown's body]

“The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Good for Mike Pence telling Trump and his cronies that he would not throw his countrymen to the wolves.

There'll be a next time.

 

[mike2810]

Interesting that as the alleged author of Art of the Deal, he couldn't cut any as president.

he "cut" a few. Like with NK. They just didn't work out has he thought it would. Maybe Trump got played.

 

[RealityNow]

You could have said that trumpism rests on a solid foundation of white racism and white resentment.

It is especially popular in rural and lower middle class rust belt America. It also thrived in the very same part of America where the KKK was strongest in the 1920’s, the isolationist “America First Movement” of 1940, and the John Birchers in the 1960’s.

That’s the land Rush Limbaugh came from, and he knew how to sell flat earth and thinly veiled racism to a receptive audience.

So did Donald Trump. He made few attempts to hide his open racism. In fact, he bragged about it. And his mob loved him for it.

These people "fight against themselves" and have been groomed not to even acknowledge it.. They have been groomed to fight to remain in a format of a form of serfdom; they listen to the overlords, who gerrymander them into zones, to feed them drama and incitement commentary, to make them think they are on their side, when all it does it occupy their minds with an attack agenda, which keeps them fighting to protect their overlords, and over time they have become to romanticize their pity me party mentality into a cultish collection of people aggrieved by things their own acts and mentality creates and supports of their own disenfranchisement. That's the result of their overlords ensure they remain as under-educated, uneducated and miseducated as they can and to ensure they are and they remain, Civics Illiterate.

How... by keeping them economically depressed, and repressed from positive economic uplift. This is the recipe to ensure their devotion, while feeding them the drama and misinformation which will assure they remain in a level of desperations, until they can't see what they support is the root causes of their own defeatisms.

It's taken hold of them like a mass saturations of the Stockholm Syndrome.

• Stockholm syndrome = a condition in which hostages develop a psychological bond with their captors during captivity.

 

[RealityNow]

I quibble only at the word, "convicted". I still believe that one should only be convicted after a fair trial, but I am with you up to that point!

I did not infer an unfair trail... we have enough data for a "fair trial".. and that is in full respect of the laws..

Please see what the law prescribes:

• Sedition, Subversion and Treason

 

[jgarden47]

It didn’t really rest with Pence. Not enough, at least. Too many red states didn’t have the stomach to overturn their own electorates, though in 2022 and 2024 you can bet they’ll have fortified themselves for that. Honestly, they probably already are. When red states appoint their own electors and go against the will of the voters, every single conservative-leaning voter here will adopt the attitude of “*Sniff*...what are you going to do? We’re a republic, not a democracy.”

I really don’t know how you move forward when one party has given up on democracy.

The driving force behind this is the current dramatic shift in American demographics - for the first time in 400 years, "visible minorities" (Blacks, Latinos, Asians) will become the new majority by 2050!

The Republican Party has long since "thrown-in-the-towel" when it comes to competing for the national popular vote, content to restrict itself to a "regional" appeal, targeting the rural southern and mid-west states - in the hope that their Electoral College votes will vault them into the White House!

Given the demise of "White" Americans as the majority of the electorate, instead of changing with the times and broadening its appeal, the Republican Party, in its infinite wisdom, has adopted the Trump strategy of "doubling-down" - resurrecting their own 21stC version of "Jim Crow" by suppressing the vote of the opposition!

History will not be kind when it comes to judging this sense of "WHITE CONSERVATIVE ENTITLEMENT," and the undemocratic,"rearguard" actions being taken at the federal and state level to "forestall" the inevitable!

 

[Mycroft]

America's principle of REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY is a LIBERAL CONSTRUCT as is every document that was crafted to form it.

It was/is only when people promote/ed discriminatory agenda and try and make it policy and law, and engage to contort the language and use the malfeasance of biases; to pervert the laws and governing principle to support, institute and promote bias, be it racial, gender or other forms of bias and prejudice; does it become one that promotes the angle of manipulation to try to invoke concepts of Conservatism.

The principles underlying the concept of Conservatism, is a means and methods to try to constrict, omit and deny something to the Liberal Masses that make up the Civil, Civic, Social, Environmental and Economics of this nation's Liberal Construct of Representative Democracy of/within the Society and Nation of America.


(Please don't try to degrade what is written with a one liner slap stick comment!! the principles and values of what is written in the above comment, are far too deeply intricate to even make such an attempt)

"the principles and values of what is written in the above comment"...are blithering nonsense.

 

[Indlib]

More analysis here:

The Eastman Memo: Poor Lawyering for a Disreputable Cause (Updated)

An audacious last-minute attempt to undo the results of the 2020 election.

reason.com

Now it makes a bit more sense. The talk and positioning of alternate electors before Jan 6th wasn't created in a vacuum by butthurt Trump supporters.

It was all actually part of the plan outlined in the memo.

Unreal.

 

[D_NATURED]

Ummm...

You DO know that the "media ecosystem" is liberal...right?

The media is corporate, as in for-profit. As such, they create products for sale to liberals, conservative and everyone in between, with "truth" being just another marketing strategy. Your perspective is paranoid but also profoundly ignorant of the fact that the American media is a republican creation. It is they who were dismissive of the fairness doctrine and it was they who wanted the media consolidated into a few, rich hands. The fascists worked too hard at corrupting accurate information with corporate bullshit for you to be this unhappy with the results.

Never forget the media was created in the conservative image, where it now is a tool for dividing and confusing the people, rather than informing them, as yet another republican nail in the democracy coffin.

You should be celebrating how your party has corrupted truth itself, not playing the victim.

 

[TomFitz]

These people "fight against themselves" and have been groomed not to even acknowledge it.. They have been groomed to fight to remain in a format of a form of serfdom; they listen to the overlords, who gerrymander them into zones, to feed them drama and incitement commentary, to make them think they are on their side, when all it does it occupy their minds with an attack agenda, which keeps them fighting to protect their overlords, and over time they have become to romanticize their pity me party mentality into a cultish collection of people aggrieved by things their own acts and mentality creates and supports of their own disenfranchisement. That's the result of their overlords ensure they remain as under-educated, uneducated and miseducated as they can and to ensure they are and they remain, Civics Illiterate.

How... by keeping them economically depressed, and repressed from positive economic uplift. This is the recipe to ensure their devotion, while feeding them the drama and misinformation which will assure they remain in a level of desperations, until they can't see what they support is the root causes of their own defeatisms.

It's taken hold of them like a mass saturations of the Stockholm Syndrome.

• Stockholm syndrome = a condition in which hostages develop a psychological bond with their captors during captivity.

Yes, that sums it up.

I have never seen a group more consistantly vote against its own interests than the talk radio right.

Not one of them ever criticized Wall Street in 2008. In 2009-10 when stimulus was needed badly, they supported the GOP do nothing policy that has worked so well under Herbert Hoover.

They have never been interested much in actual leaders.

But they can’t get enough of carnival barkers and freak shows.

So the “man” puts on a bread and circuses show on Fox, OAN and the rest, featuring the likes of Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, Matt Gaetz and a few other, and they all clap and cheer and throw money at it.

Meanwhile, the real “deep state” is busy, while trump nation is looking the other way.

The difference with trump was that he was blatant about it, opening up DC to every grifter that he thought would pay him tribute.

 

[TomFitz]

The media is corporate, as in for-profit. As such, they create products for sale to liberals, conservative and everyone in between, with "truth" being just another marketing strategy. Your perspective is paranoid but also profoundly ignorant of the fact that the American media is a republican creation. It is they who were dismissive of the fairness doctrine and it was they who wanted the media consolidated into a few, rich hands. The fascists worked too hard at corrupting accurate information with corporate bullshit for you to be this unhappy with the results.

Never forget the media was created in the conservative image, where it now is a tool for dividing and confusing the people, rather than informing them, as yet another republican nail in the democracy coffin.

You should be celebrating how your party has corrupted truth itself, not playing the victim.

Well, that’s what Reagan‘s “marketplace of ideas” has wrought.

 

[RealityNow]

"the principles and values of what is written in the above comment"...are blithering nonsense.

you can say that if it makes you feel better. You might need to come to realization that "Representative Government" happens by the Liberalities of Citizens to Elect Representatives. if you don't grasp that, its because you choose not to ... either way... it does not change the fact, of the Liberal Premise.

 

[RealityNow]

These people "fight against themselves" and have been groomed not to even acknowledge it.. They have been groomed to fight to remain in a format of a form of serfdom; they listen to the overlords, who gerrymander them into zones, to feed them drama and incitement commentary, to make them think they are on their side, when all it does it occupy their minds with an attack agenda, which keeps them fighting to protect their overlords, and over time they have become to romanticize their pity me party mentality into a cultish collection of people aggrieved by things their own acts and mentality creates and supports of their own disenfranchisement. That's the result of their overlords ensure they remain as under-educated, uneducated and miseducated as they can and to ensure they are and they remain, Civics Illiterate.

How... by keeping them economically depressed, and repressed from positive economic uplift. This is the recipe to ensure their devotion, while feeding them the drama and misinformation which will assure they remain in a level of desperations, until they can't see what they support is the root causes of their own defeatisms.

It's taken hold of them like a mass saturations of the Stockholm Syndrome.

• Stockholm syndrome = a condition in which hostages develop a psychological bond with their captors during captivity.

Guaranteed that any Republican and Conservative will claim this is not true.. but fact is, there has never been a people groomed into cultish like serfdom who has ever acknowledge they were caught up in it. They will fight to defend it, because they want not to accept they have been misled. It's common, people will go to great length to avoid facing when they'd been hoodwinked, and many will double down rather than come to terms with it. That's the mentality of people dead set against learning, growing and dealing with change. They can't bear to face the change to truth, because they'd have to face they were susceptible and in many cases became gullible to the drama antics, that play them as victims of a system, when they are the supporters of the system that promotes their own disenfranchisement.

Republican has fought against Minimum Wage Hikes, Unions and Programs that help society. When there is not one of their wealthy owned politicians care anything about debt. Republican have never seen a bill they would not fleece and they have never met a Corporate Leader they will not support getting government monies.
Wealthy People don't worry about National Debt, because they rely on the working class of pay it while every Republican Administration over the past 50 yrs have given tax breaks to corporations and the wealthy, and every time they do, the debt increase quadruple, because the Government get's 4+ times the benefit from tax resources, and when they don't get those tax resources the debt is quadrupled or more by the % value of the corporate tax cut. This is a higher level of math that the average Republican will never be led or taught to try to understand, because when the offsets upwards comes in of the trade defict, which means less dollars circulating in the economy, which means less tax revenue it does not generate. That adds to the debt, because that money does not come to offset any level of maintenance cost of what the maintenance cost is to a nation.

These people will never comprehend it, because they don't engage critical thinking. They can't envisage the fact that when the government has to delay maintenance and projects, the fact that what cost one amount in year 1 will cost more if 5 yrs pass before that maintenance is done. Our Roads are a good example. We can't do the average 5-7 yrs resurfacing on our non cement roads, so it takes 1-13-15 yrs before they are resurfaced, and by then the base has deteriorated and the cost quadruples. These are reality factors they don't consider.
This is multiplied and compounded by the many variable that requires maintenance it does not get in a timely manner.

It's no way to bring Republican Constituency to Understand this even as they drive across potholed roads and broken down base in roadways, But that type of lack of maintenance is visible in so many areas of society... The wealthy don't care, they fly where they want to go, and their communities don't have potholes.
They don't have broken down infrastructures nor do they suffer the inconvenience of non maintenance conditions in any areas of their communities.
So, they pursue more and more tax cuts... and the general public suffers the consequences.