Fledermaus
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Wow, really? Anyway, at least you are open to the facts. Putin has to look absolutely strong...he cant back down. He's already turning the "protective troops" in the 2 Russian regions into his excuse...
IMO, now is the time we should be getting Germany and other allies with ports on the North Sea to close to all Russian vessels and Russian nationals. This would be very inconvenient for the Russians working on the Nord Stream pipeline.
A harbinger of Biden's threat to shut the whole thing down. I hope Germany has the balls to back him.
EU is too locked in to cheap Russian gas.
So then they need to win, or at least hold the line, so they can have the Ukraine's natural gas.
I believe it is just the beginning.I still hope and believe that will be the end of it for now.
Putin is replaying Hitlers WWII playbook. If you look at what happen in Europe in the buildup to WWII this is easy to follow. He even gave a speech outlining his intentions a few years ago. Hitler wrote a book, Putin gave a speech.To all who read this I was wrong.
I believed Putin was merely sabre rattling when he posted troops on the borders of Ukraine.
He has reportedly is moving "peacekeeping" troops into the newly declared "republics".
If so, I was wrong about that.
I still hope and believe that will be the end of it for now.
I believe it is just the beginning.
One man's "independent republic" is another man's Anschluss.Putin is replaying Hitlers WWII playbook. If you look at what happen in Europe in the buildup to WWII this is easy to follow. He even gave a speech outlining his intentions a few years ago. Hitler wrote a book, Putin gave a speech.
Putin set this up to see how the U.S. and other countries would react. Our leaders showed weakness, so he proceeded, step by step. Don't assume this isn't part of a bigger plan, it is.
Fledermaus:To all who read this I was wrong.
I believed Putin was merely sabre rattling when he posted troops on the borders of Ukraine.
He has reportedly is moving "peacekeeping" troops into the newly declared "republics".
If so, I was wrong about that.
I still hope and believe that will be the end of it for now.
Newfiemom, I fear you're right.I believe it is just the beginning.
I do not know what you mean by that.One man's "independent republic" is another man's Anschluss.
To all who read this I was wrong.
I believed Putin was merely sabre rattling when he posted troops on the borders of Ukraine.
He has reportedly is moving "peacekeeping" troops into the newly declared "republics".
If so, I was wrong about that.
I still hope and believe that will be the end of it for now.
I personally think he'll stop with Odessa (at which point he will control the entire north coast of the Black Sea), and will not try to go further and take western Ukraine or Kyiv. But like you say, who knows.While this may signal a brief pause in Russia's programme of expansion (I doubt it, however) this is not over and will not be over until Ukraine, Belarus, Transnistria, and Moldova are all under Mr. Putin's thumb. Putin is playing a long game and all of Ukraine is only a waypoint on his projected trajectory. Watch out for Russian forces trying to "rationalise" front lines by grabbing more territory from the rumps of the two Donbas oblasts his forces are in and then when the Ukrainians resist expect the Russians to move against Karkiv and a drive north of the Sea of Azov where a land corridor to Crimea will be seized. Then it will be all of the south past Odessa and finally western Ukraine and Kyiv to follow. The urban fighting, if it happens will be horrendous and I think Putin will use chemical weapons in urban areas if air strikes and rockets don't work to break resistance quickly. And if NATO or the EU get uppity expect a tactical or small strategic nuclear weapon to be detonated over the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone for all the world to see.
Putin can't just annex the "independent states" like Hitler did Austria so he declares them to to be "free" then "protects" them.I do not know what you mean by that.
I do know what Anschluss was. I mean, Hitler wanted a greater Germany, he wanted to attach Austria (his own native country) to Germany, making a Greater Germany his first step in the expansion of his empire (the annexation of the Sudetenland being his next step) but what is your point?
To all who read this I was wrong.
I believed Putin was merely sabre rattling when he posted troops on the borders of Ukraine.
He has reportedly is moving "peacekeeping" troops into the newly declared "republics".
If so, I was wrong about that.
I still hope and believe that will be the end of it for now.
It is not. Putin did not place all those troops and all that matériel around Ukraine just to let it rust.You are not alone. I was also more comfortable with sabre rattling. Hey, how can anyone hope for something else? I hope it is the end of it for now as well.
IMO, now is the time we should be getting Germany and other allies with ports on the North Sea to close to all Russian vessels and Russian nationals. This would be very inconvenient for the Russians working on the Nord Stream pipeline.
A harbinger of Biden's threat to shut the whole thing down. I hope Germany has the balls to back him.
It is not. Putin did not place all those troops and all that matériel around Ukraine just to let it rust.
Putin is replaying Hitlers WWII playbook. If you look at what happen in Europe in the buildup to WWII this is easy to follow. He even gave a speech outlining his intentions a few years ago. Hitler wrote a book, Putin gave a speech.
Putin set this up to see how the U.S. and other countries would react. Our leaders showed weakness, so he proceeded, step by step. Don't assume this isn't part of a bigger plan, it is.
You mean trump showed weakness, especially at Helsinki. Putin has been planning this ever since. GOPs will cheer higher gas prices.Putin is replaying Hitlers WWII playbook. If you look at what happen in Europe in the buildup to WWII this is easy to follow. He even gave a speech outlining his intentions a few years ago. Hitler wrote a book, Putin gave a speech.
Putin set this up to see how the U.S. and other countries would react. Our leaders showed weakness, so he proceeded, step by step. Don't assume this isn't part of a bigger plan, it is.
The possibility of russia invading ukraine was always there, however you are not as wrong as you think. The forces there are not invading in any conventional sense, but rather allowing russian peacekeeping troops into a contested area. The purpose of such is to act as a tripwire, ie no false flags, russia laid it out in the open.To all who read this I was wrong.
I believed Putin was merely sabre rattling when he posted troops on the borders of Ukraine.
He has reportedly is moving "peacekeeping" troops into the newly declared "republics".
If so, I was wrong about that.
I still hope and believe that will be the end of it for now.
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