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McConnell files an interesting brief and I like it.

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The Senate chameon has again altered his exterior color to blend in with his surroundings ( now he looks like he's sitting on Pelosi's tree limb) and indeed the brief defends an important principle. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...S&cvid=32f088ebecff41ef9add5ab20801541e&ei=20

"... Mitch McConnell is defending Congress’ ability to permit voting by “proxy” when members are absent, a practice adopted by House Democrats at the height of the COVID pandemic despite intense opposition from Republicans. In a brief filed Friday in ftederal court — authored by former Attorney General William Barr — McConnell says that despite his personal opposition to proxy voting, the House and Senate have total constitutional authority to determine the way they conduct business.

“Despite his fierce opposition to proxy voting, Senator McConnell believes it critical that courts nevertheless respect each house of Congress’ power to ‘determine the rules of its proceedings,’” Barr wrote on McConnell’s behalf.

McConnell’s position puts him at odds with the vast majority of House Republicans, who spent years fighting a losing battle in court to overturn the practice, which was initiated in 2020 by then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi. The House GOP leader at the time, Kevin McCarthy, sued to block the practice but was dealt defeats by two federal courts before the Supreme Court declined to take up the issue.

However, in February, a federal district court judge in Texas ruled that the House’s use of proxy voting violated the Constitution, contending that it requires a majority of members to be physically present to conduct business. The ruling, if upheld by appellate courts, threatens to unravel large and complicated legislative packages adopted with decisive votes cast by absent members."

I absolutely agree with him and Pelosi. SCOTUS has no business deciding how the legislative branch ought to conduct its business or what constitutes a legitimate 'vote' for the US Senate or US House. Those institutions can decide those matters in their own rules consistent with their own past practices, or they may adopt new rules and new practices. For example, the US House in its infinite wisdom, decided to put in an electronic voting system in 1973 following the passage of the Legislative Reorganization Act https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R41862/2 It turns out that the LRA was one very very important reform of past practices that Congress had been using for decades to hide the Committee work on which the institutions depended to avoid transparency. https://congressionalresearch.org/LRA.html

Knowing McConnell, it does not escape his notice, that the 2024 election map, dramatically favored Republican control of the US Senate and for the new majority to function effectively, it is in a Republican Majority Senate's interest that proxy voting be allowed to establish a quorum and to advance the movement of legislation because the majority controls the legislative calender and decides whether to schedule a vote when Republican Congressman X is in town, and when Democrat Senator Y is convulescing post heart surgery.

Still I do believe that SCOTUS has already meddled far too much in the internal affairs of the executive and legislative branches and the process questions that each properly decides on their own.
 
Of course he says that now. His crooked ass is old and he knows he will need to proxy his votes real soon. McConnell is such an asshole
 
If a Representative or a Senator can't bother to show up and vote, they have no business being in Congress.
 
If the proxy vote system is upheld as unconstitutional then approx. 5 to 6 years of laws passed since the start of Covid will be thrown out. Moscow Mitch doesn't want all that work to be rehashed, he is on the way out- talk about a shit ending to his 'legacy'. I believe proxy voting should be allowed in the era of electronic conferencing. There are issues- making sure the image or email is legit, but that is something the business sector manages.
Course some sort of percentage needs to be present, or the chamber will be empty with all the critters out in a truly endless electioneering cycle.... ✌️
 
If a Representative or a Senator can't bother to show up and vote, they have no business being in Congress.
Vance missed the child tax credit vote on a bill he claimed to support. Do you have a left and right limit on missing votes or a one and done??? ✌️
 
Vance missed the child tax credit vote on a bill he claimed to support. Do you have a left and right limit on missing votes or a one and done??? ✌️
My statement wasn't meant to be a broad brush.

Missing a vote is one thing...sometimes things happen. Letting someone else cast your vote is the issue here. Politicians who wouldn't normally have any problem getting to the Capitol and voting don't have to do that when proxy voting is enabled. That's what I was talking about.

Also, my position doesn't change whether the politician is a Democrat or a Republican.
 
Political arguments about what Congress should and should not do with proxy voting and quorum rules aside for a moment, which by the way misses the reason for this thread by miles, I tend to agree that the Courts should not mess about in this space as the Constitution is clear on who is the authority for Congress on these matters. And it is not the Courts.
 
My statement wasn't meant to be a broad brush.

Missing a vote is one thing...sometimes things happen. Letting someone else cast your vote is the issue here. Politicians who wouldn't normally have any problem getting to the Capitol and voting don't have to do that when proxy voting is enabled. That's what I was talking about.

Also, my position doesn't change whether the politician is a Democrat or a Republican.
So, what is the tipping point on missing votes- 5, 20, 100??? Is proxy voting in force right now??? If so, how did Vance miss a vote on a bill he claimed to support??? Maybe the issue is allowing proxy voting under extreme times, like a pandemic.... :unsure:
Perhaps the real issue is a judge attempting to negate years of Congressional votes after the fact... ✌️
 
So, what is the tipping point on missing votes- 5, 20, 100??? Is proxy voting in force right now??? If so, how did Vance miss a vote on a bill he claimed to support??? Maybe the issue is allowing proxy voting under extreme times, like a pandemic.... :unsure:
Perhaps the real issue is a judge attempting to negate years of Congressional votes after the fact... ✌️
It's not about the number of times they miss a vote. I'll leave that issue up to the people who voted for that politician.

My contention is that making it easy for politicians to just not show up by allowing someone else to cast their vote (proxy voting) is not how it should be.
 
If you were a member of Congress, I would expect you to do so.

You already said that. I pointed out that it is simply not necessary any longer.
Change is not bad just because it is change.
Honest, that is the subtext of all your posts. The past is never coming back.
Live in the here and now is my advise. You will exhaust yourself fighting time.

Peace
 
If a Representative or a Senator can't bother to show up and vote, they have no business being in Congress.
This is what you posted, no mention of leaving up to the voters. It was your opinion, so I'd like to know your number of hall passes. How many votes could your congress critter miss before you'd vote for someone else???? ✌️
 
I think it's important to remember the McConnell does nothing without an ulterior motive. In this case, it's obvious: it's to increase the disruption of democratic institutions. Proxy voting benefits the minority, and he's going to be in the minority for some time. Anything to derail democracy.
 
Trying to keep an open mind on the issue of each branch making and abiding by their own rules that McConnell is correct. The SCOTUS is especially in no position to criticize or rule against it given their own rules or lack there of.
However, I think McConnell should not be so short sighted by ignoring who has the constitutional power to declare war. Allowing the executive branch the power to send American troops into harm’s way without congressional approval rests on the word “war”. It’s been usurped by the words “police action”, “conflict”, etc.. It’s way past time for congress and the senate to start behaving like adults and do their jobs.
 
Political arguments about what Congress should and should not do with proxy voting and quorum rules aside for a moment, which by the way misses the reason for this thread by miles, I tend to agree that the Courts should not mess about in this space as the Constitution is clear on who is the authority for Congress on these matters. And it is not the Courts.

Unless, of course, the Courts read into the Constitution powers they don't have and (selectively) declare anything the other two branches null and void.
 
Of course he says that now. His crooked ass is old and he knows he will need to proxy his votes real soon. McConnell is such an asshole
This is probably the one and only time you'll ever see me agree with (gulp) Sen. Mitch McConnell.

I agree with his position on proxy voting. Per the Art. I, Sect. 5 of the Constitution, each House can write the rules governing its chamber. So, if the House or Senate allows proxy voting under certain circumstances or on a regular basis, who's to tell them they can't do it? The only caveat I'd add is as long as their a quorum (per Sect. 5) and a specific House or Senate member is allowed to receive said proxy vote (i.e., the House or Senate President [Pro Temper]) within a specified period of time ahead of the vote, voting by proxy should be allowed.
 
Political arguments about what Congress should and should not do with proxy voting and quorum rules aside for a moment, which by the way misses the reason for this thread by miles, I tend to agree that the Courts should not mess about in this space as the Constitution is clear on who is the authority for Congress on these matters. And it is not the Courts.
Seems you're arguing about debates held on the Congress floor. That happens during the normal course of business. Each chamber, of course, has its one rules concerning the debate process over bills, but that's separate from voting on said bill.
 
This is probably the one and only time you'll ever see me agree with (gulp) Sen. Mitch McConnell.

I agree with his position on proxy voting. Per the Art. I, Sect. 5 of the Constitution, each House can write the rules governing its chamber. So, if the House or Senate allows proxy voting under certain circumstances or on a regular basis, who's to tell them they can't do it? The only caveat I'd add is as long as their a quorum (per Sect. 5) and a specific House or Senate member is allowed to receive said proxy vote (i.e., the House or Senate President [Pro Temper]) within a specified period of time ahead of the vote, voting by proxy should be allowed.
I don’t have anything against proxy voting. All I am saying is that McConnell flip flopped for selfish reasons
 
If a Representative or a Senator can't bother to show up and vote, they have no business being in Congress.
Why does voting in person matter to you? It's not like there's ANY risk of a fraudulent vote, since every vote is recorded, and any Congress member can see his or her vote being recorded in real time, through this thing called technology.

I'm fine with whatever CONGRESS decides to do here. If they want to require votes in person, great. If they want to allow votes remotely, also great.
 
Why does voting in person matter to you? It's not like there's ANY risk of a fraudulent vote, since every vote is recorded, and any Congress member can see his or her vote being recorded in real time, through this thing called technology.

I'm fine with whatever CONGRESS decides to do here. If they want to require votes in person, great. If they want to allow votes remotely, also great.
We aren't talking about voting remotely, though I don't want that, either. We are talking about having another politician voting for them.

In my opinion, both are a disservice to the politician's voters.
 
We aren't talking about voting remotely, though I don't want that, either. We are talking about having another politician voting for them.

In my opinion, both are a disservice to the politician's voters.
How is that a disservice??? The proxy voter isn't picked at random, and the missing congress critter tells the one present how to cast his vote, there will be a record of the vote cast... :unsure:
So what's the number of skips before you think they shouldn't serve??? ✌️
 
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