McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repeal O

[Chomsky]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

He knew the skinny mini thing would never become law. By early yesterday afternoon, we all did. This was an act played out before the cameras.

The drama:

Would Trump get his much needed news-cycle victory with a bill passing the Senate that would die on the vine in the House, or would McCain steal the show with one final goccha?

McCain played it perfectly. He got to stick it to Trump. IMO, that's all this was about.

Actually, the darkly bitter thing might be that McCain was the ultimate team-player, falling on his sword to take one for the team in a form of political hari-kari.

Except for a small handful, no GOP Senators wanted that bill to pass - even McConnell!

McCain, the real-life dead man walking, got them out of their political mess.

 

[Chomsky]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

No, he didn't know. He may have known how he would vote, but if Murkowski and Collins had caved his little game would have killed people. There was absolutely no margin for error here.

CNN reported that McCain informed Chuck Schumer of his 'no' vote at 10:00P EST. That's what? Four hours before the vote?

Pretty wild, if true.

 

[radcen]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

Actually, the darkly bitter thing might be that McCain was the ultimate team-player, falling on his sword to take one for the team in a form of political hari-kari.

Except for a small handful, no GOP Senators wanted that bill to pass - even McConnell!

McCain, the real-life dead man walking, got them out of their political mess.

Winning the WH and both chambers of Congress could, in the long run, be the worst thing that ever happened to the Rep Party.

 

[Chomsky]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

Greetings, Lutherf. :2wave:

:agree: It really surprised me to learn that he is a recipient of George Soros money - WTH? Whose side is he on, cause this doesn't match up with the stories we've always heard about his patriotism! :no:

What??? :doh

 

[Chomsky]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

No....they simply didn't want to engage in the games that the Republicans were playing. When you have Republicans saying that they will only vote for the bill if they get reassurance from the house that the house won't pass it.....thats a perfect example of GOP gamesmanship. Repugs had 7 years to get their act together and present a plan.....and all they have shown in 6 months is game after game.

And reportedly he feared the extreme danger the bill represented, if passed.

I can very much see that.

 

[Peter King]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

McCain and Collins are two face POS.

Nope, they are heroes and maybe the only three republicans with a bit of backbone and at least reasonable intelligence when health care is concerned.

Nobody elected them to wreck health care.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

Both voted for full repeal, back when they knew Obama could and would veto it.

ObamaCare is a disastrous piece of legislation thats currently in a death spiral.

Talk about the inabillity to write workable healthcare legislation. The GOP were handed a handed a disaster not of their own making

The remnants of a American Healthcare system thats in the shape it is because the Democrats thought they could centrally manage and control the US Helath insurance idustry

There's news out that Schumer had been in McCains ear for the last week, exploiting McCains obvious cognitive isssues that are the result of his Cancer diagnoses.
What a ****ing dirtbag

McConnell and Ryan can't herd their cats or write legislation, and it's the demo's fault.

Okay.

In other news, McCain still has more cognitive ability than our demented POTUS.

 

[Chomsky]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

Are you sure? I would need to see some evidence supporting that this could occur. My understanding is the bill would have to come through the senate again, if altered.

It could be summarily passed as is by the House on a simple vote. Conference is not a required legislative process. And even if in conference, it can still be voted upon by the House as it stands, at any time. If the House got frustrated with conference not working, they can call it up for a vote as is. It's a live bill.

It was an extremely dangerous piece of legislation.

 

[Chomsky]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

ACA did not pass because it was "workable legislation". As a matter of fact, other than the basic idea of using private insurers it was dismal. The reason it is hard to get rid of in spite of the quality is that it is hard to take freebees away from people that have been Promised them.

Exactly.

It was the Dems start down the path to singer-payer ...

 

[Chomsky]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

Winning the WH and both chambers of Congress could, in the long run, be the worst thing that ever happened to the Rep Party.

That seems true for both parties!

The Peter Principle in action!

:2razz:

 

[Chomsky]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

Both voted for full repeal, back when they knew Obama could and would veto it.

ObamaCare is a disastrous piece of legislation thats currently in a death spiral.

Talk about the inabillity to write workable healthcare legislation. The GOP were handed a handed a disaster not of their own making

The remnants of a American Healthcare system thats in the shape it is because the Democrats thought they could centrally manage and control the US Helath insurance idustry

There's news out that Schumer had been in McCains ear for the last week, exploiting McCains obvious cognitive isssues that are the result of his Cancer diagnoses.
What a ****ing dirtbag

What???

Talk about unable to face reality!

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

What???

Talk about unable to face reality!

Fenton is trapped in a zero circle.

Be helpless, dumbfounded,
Unable to say yes or no.
Then a stretcher will come from grace
To gather us up.

We are too dull-eyed to see that beauty
If we say we can, we’re lying.
If we say No, we don’t see it,
That No will behead us
And shut tight our window onto spirit.

So let us rather not be sure of anything,
Besides ourselves, and only that, so
Miraculous beings come running to help.
Crazed, lying in a zero circle, mute,
We shall be saying finally,
With tremendous eloquence, Lead us.
When we have totally surrendered to that beauty,
We shall be a mighty kindness.

 

[Fenton]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

Nope, they are heroes and maybe the only three republicans with a bit of backbone and at least reasonable intelligence when health care is concerned.

Nobody elected them to wreck health care.

No, theyre low lifes, ObamaCare's crashing and burning and hurting millions of hard working middle class families and the GOP had nothing to do with it.

 

[Top Cat]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

Trump fail again.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

It could be summarily passed as is by the House on a simple vote. Conference is not a required legislative process. And even if in conference, it can still be voted upon by the House as it stands, at any time. If the House got frustrated with conference not working, they can call it up for a vote as is. It's a live bill.

It was an extremely dangerous piece of legislation.

Thankfully, some of the R's in the senate understood that Ryan's house of nuts couldn't be trusted with that grenade.

 

[Greenbeard]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

Death spiral is the truth whether you like it or not.

Exchange business is profitable and the risk profile of enrollees is stable. By definition there isn't a death spiral.

Words do still have meanings in some parts of the universe.

 

[Chomsky]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

people who don't believe in government shouldn't have positions managing public policy. However, the pervasive talking points, "I want the government out of my life." and, "The government has no place in healthcare." have been passed down from generation to generation, and their validity is more important to a conservative base, than any results showing the left is capable at improving people's lives.

This can become a philosophical question obviously, but I disagree.

The Representatives sent to Washington represent the wishes of the people. And the people can indeed send a Representative to office specifically to tear down the government mechanisms, if that's their wish! The Rep takes an oath to the Constitution, but beyond that he represents his constituents will. And he or she is not obligated to any specific implementation of governance, besides that of fidelity to the Constitution.

I'm just arguing the singular technical point here, not the specifics of the health-care issue.

 

[radcen]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

That seems true for both parties!

The Peter Principle in action!

:2razz:

Power has always shifted back-and-forth between the two major parties, and we should ask ourselves why that is.

My theory is that neither party can provide what they promise. Ever. Basically, the vicious circle goes something like this...

- People are dissatisfied. Party in power is failing.
- Other party promises solutions.
- People believe said promises. After all, the current party is failing, so why not?
- People replace current party with other party.
- People get all giddy in the "honeymoon phase".
- Slowly it dawns on the people that, "Hey, these people suck just as bad. They're not doing what they promised, either."
- First party senses and promises solutions.
- People believe said promises. After all, the other party is now failing, so why not?
- People replace other party with the first party.
- People get all giddy in the "honeymoon phase".
- Slowly it dawns on the people that, "Hey, these people suck just as bad. They're not doing what they promised, either."...

... ad infinitum.

The only thing that causes a party to adapt to the current times is to not be in power. Otherwise, they delude themselves into thinking they're 'it' and don't have to do anything.

 

[fredmertzz]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

Exchange business is profitable and the risk profile of enrollees is stable. By definition there isn't a death spiral.

Words do still have meanings in some parts of the universe.

While I agree that the spiral was not a "death" spiral, it certainly was a painful one to get to the point of profitability on the exchange. A lot of companies lost money. Most dropped off of the exchange. Those that remained have increased premiums pretty dramatically.

So while I agree with you calling out the term "death spiral," let's not diminish the negative impact ACA has had. It's done a lot of good for a lot of people, but at an extremely high cost. I believe we can have a more efficient system, helping all the people at a much lower cost. ACA does need to be adjusted or replaced, but with due consideration from both sides of the aisle.

 

[Chomsky]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

Fenton is trapped in a zero circle.

As was the GOP in their healthcare quandry.

And driven by their personal greed and lust for power, they caught-up some of the country as well.

 

[Objective Voice]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

It should also be noted that Collins and Murkowski were early "no's" because the bills were bad for their constituents, whereas McCain jumped in at the end because he didn't like the process.

So is it a good thing that McCain's third vote helped kill the bill? Yes, obviously. But he used skewed priorities to arrive at a correct decision.

Not once in his entire speech to the Senate did he make a point about the harm repeal would do to the people of their states.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...t-john-mccains-senate-floor-speech/509799001/

I'm grateful McCain isn't my Senator, because he's shown that he would vote for a harmful bill if he felt the process was right.

To your points in bold, Idk...

Sen. McCain has always been a process kinda guy. Regardless of how he ultimately votes, he firmly believes in process government, i.e., following Senate procedural rules for governance and orderly conduct. I can respect him for that. I think it was one of the reasons he came back to vote in favor of open debate on the Senate floor on healthcare repeal/replacement. He at least wanted his Senate colleague to talk about it. However, the risk for Senate Democrats was if the vote for open debate was approved, it very well could have lead to a full or striped down "skinny" repeal and they didn't want either to proceed.

In the final despite three separate attempts to repeal and/or replace the PPACA (aka, Obamacare), Sen. McCain voted no on repeal. I think he realized just as Senator's Murkoski and Collins (as well as many of their colleagues who voted "Yes") [privately] worried that the House wouldn't be able to keep their promise to "revise" the skinny repeal bill upon receipt from the Senate.

I'm glad the GOP's repeal efforts were defeated. Maybe now both sides will try to work together to make reasonable changes to health care law and strengthen it, not dismantle it and ultimately leave millions with no access to quality health care services.

 

[Peter King]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

No, theyre low lifes, ObamaCare's crashing and burning and hurting millions of hard working middle class families and the GOP had nothing to do with it.

You must be a person who listens only to Donald Trumps ravings rather than listening to, well just about anybody with any intelligence and experience in the health care field, you know, the people who bring you the actual health care insurances, they were against this law as were most (from what I have read) organizations in the field of health care.

Obamacare may have issues, but the majority of people want those issues fixed, not the total destruction of healthcare in the US.

And FYI, the only lowlifes I know in this whole thing have the last name of Trump plus Bannon and the Mooch (you know, the man who would rather stab you in the front and does not know how to behave in an interview without being totally dickish).

 

[calamity]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

Actually, the darkly bitter thing might be that McCain was the ultimate team-player, falling on his sword to take one for the team in a form of political hari-kari.

Except for a small handful, no GOP Senators wanted that bill to pass - even McConnell!

McCain, the real-life dead man walking, got them out of their political mess.

That sounds very much like how Washington operates. Good point.

 

[Chomsky]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

Thankfully, some of the R's in the senate understood that Ryan's house of nuts couldn't be trusted with that grenade.

My suspicion is a preponderance of the Senate felt likewise.

It's possible the Senate leadership either nominated the man with little time left on this earth, or he magnanimously volunteered, to fall on his sword and take one for the team through an act of seemingly political hari-kari.

It's a very dark possibility, but a possibility none-the-less.

 

[poweRob]

Re: McCain, two other GOP senators join Democrats to reject last-ditch effort to repe

McCain likes presidents who aren't captured by Putin.