McCain - "Rand Paul is working for Vladimir Putin"

[AlbqOwl]

We already have the ****bag country of Turkey in NATO. What a freaking joke NATO is to have that country in the alliance. I don't want to have to deal with Article 5 triggering because they did something stupid.

Turkey at least pays its dues, has some strategically located air bases to offer, and does contribute soldiers to NATO operations. And even Montenegro has helped in NATO operations without being a member of that group. So I don't know all the entanglements or pros and cons. But I don't think it is in NATO's interest, and certainly not in the USA's interest, to stretch ourselves too thin in our obligations.

 

[Fishking]

Turkey at least pays its dues, has some strategically located air bases to offer, and does contribute soldiers to NATO operations. And even Montenegro has helped in NATO operations without being a member of that group. So I don't know all the entanglements or pros and cons. But I don't think it is in NATO's interest, and certainly not in the USA's interest, to stretch ourselves too thin in our obligations.

Sure, but Turkey is also turning into a despotism and radicalizing as a country. They also had top officials recorded possibly pulling off a false flag operation to try and force an Article 5 trigger so the U.S. would invade Syria in 2014. They also shot down a Russian bomber that was carrying out operations in northern Syria and happened to stray into their airspace. No...if we are going to do alliances we don't need alliances with countries like Turkey. That most recent coup attempt was the last gasp of Turkey resembling anything close to a non-radical state as the military had traditionally played a moderating role.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/world/europe/high-level-leaks-rattle-turkey-officials.html?_r=0

 

[FreeThink]

I found this but I am not certain of its authentic nor did I validate the facts.. (Disclaimer, please read the below knowing that it might be false)....
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20 Oct 2008 statement from the Russian Federation to the United states in relation to an alleged letter from the McCain campaign requesting a financial contribution from Russia:

“We have received a letter from Senator John McCain requesting financial contribution to his presidential campaign.

In this connection we would like to reiterate that Russian officials, the Permanent Mission of the Russian Federation to the United Nations or the Russian Government do not finance political activity in foreign countries.”

Wikileaks staff have verified the authenticity of the document.

 

[FreeThink]

This has nothing to do with Russia. The question was "Is Montenegro worthy of being in NATO". The answer is "no" and McCain can go **** off. If Russia comes out and says "drinking bleach is harmful" McCain would drink a gallon because he's so reflexively anti-Russia he doesn't even take into account what's being discussed.

We shouldn't even be in NATO anymore (IMO), our Country is in trillions of dollars of debt! We have over extended our Military around the Globe, having bases in Countries that don't even really want us there & we don't even financially support our disabled veterans as it is yet we want to throw more money towards small countries seeking Americas protection (and keep in mind NATO alliance is against any country that should attack say Turkey - which is also in Nato- we by law would have to attack that country).

We need to get out of NATO & get of the UN & kick them out of our Country (because if nothing else we can't afford it anymore- not in money or in American lives).

 

[AlbqOwl]

Sure, but Turkey is also turning into a despotism and radicalizing as a country. They also had top officials recorded possibly pulling off a false flag operation to try and force an Article 5 trigger so the U.S. would invade Syria in 2014. They also shot down a Russian bomber that was carrying out operations in northern Syria and happened to stray into their airspace. No...if we are going to do alliances we don't need alliances with countries like Turkey. That most recent coup attempt was the last gasp of Turkey resembling anything close to a non-radical state as the military had traditionally played a moderating role.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/world/europe/high-level-leaks-rattle-turkey-officials.html?_r=0

Well while I trust the NY Times about as much as the super market tabloids to get a story right or to present the news honestly and/or objectively these days, I am not crazy about what is happening in Turkey either. But I'm not crazy about what is happening in western Europe either. Or what is happening in the USA for that matter. Whatever President Trump's short comings or whatever anybody finds objectionable about him, I do believe his heart and goals are in the right place for this country at this time. And he is our best shot at turning things around. If we are able to do that successfully, I believe others will follow our lead. And yes there will be trial and error, two steps back and try again when something doesn't work, et al., but I believe he'll get us back on the right track if he is allowed to do what he wants to do.

Unfortunately the left does not intend to allow him any chance to try. I think that is because they are terrified he might succeed.

 

[justabubba]

Well while I trust the NY Times about as much as the super market tabloids to get a story right or to present the news honestly and/or objectively these days, I am not crazy about what is happening in Turkey either. But I'm not crazy about what is happening in western Europe either. Or what is happening in the USA for that matter. Whatever President Trump's short comings or whatever anybody finds objectionable about him, I do believe his heart and goals are in the right place for this country at this time. And he is our best shot at turning things around. If we are able to do that successfully, I believe others will follow our lead. And yes there will be trial and error, two steps back and try again when something doesn't work, et al., but I believe he'll get us back on the right track if he is allowed to do what he wants to do.

Unfortunately the left does not intend to allow him any chance to try. I think that is because they are terrified he might succeed.

and please share with us what this "turn around" would consist of

 

[AlbqOwl]

and please share with us what this "turn around" would consist of

Oh gee, let's see. Among many things he hopes to accomplish or get a good start on:

1. A healthy thriving economy that puts people back to work in good jobs.
2. Secure the border and get illegal migration under control.
3. Re-establish fiscal responsibility in government.
4. Get government agencies/departments working for the benefit of the people again instead of perpetuating themselves.
5. Get some kind of common sense back into healthcare.
6. Begin work to reform entitlements that will bury us if we keep kicking that can down the road.

If he can accomplish even some of that, he will have done more than any President has accomplished in my lifetime.

 

[jamesrage]

What a freaking warmongering dirtbag McCain is. This video should be turned onto a thug life video with Rand Paul blocking McCain and walking off. It's so great that McCain tried to qualify his statement first before going through all the formalities just to have Paul object and walk off. McCain is so steamed and it's amazing.



Rand's response was pretty funny as well.

McCain is a brain damaged war war mongering RINO. Anything that man says shouldn't be taken serious. I have to wonder why people in his state keep electing him.

 

[justabubba]

Oh gee, let's see. Among many things he hopes to accomplish or get a good start on:

1. A healthy thriving economy that puts people back to work in good jobs.
2. Secure the border and get illegal migration under control.
3. Re-establish fiscal responsibility in government.
4. Get government agencies/departments working for the benefit of the people again instead of perpetuating themselves.
5. Get some kind of common sense back into healthcare.
6. Begin work to reform entitlements that will bury us if we keep kicking that can down the road.

If he can accomplish even some of that, he will have done more than any President has accomplished in my lifetime.

good. set a date that we can place on a calendar to come back to this post and discuss what he has actually accomplished in the interim

 

[AlbqOwl]

good. set a date that we can place on a calendar to come back to this post and discuss what he has actually accomplished in the interim

Okay, the date will be the inauguration date of the next President. You have to understand, however, that the anti-Trump group are doing everything in their power to make sure he doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile. I think they are terrified he will actually accomplish his agenda and expose their ideology for the empty substance that it offers.

 

[justabubba]

Okay, the date will be the inauguration date of the next President. You have to understand, however, that the anti-Trump group are doing everything in their power to make sure he doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile. I think they are terrified he will actually accomplish his agenda and expose their ideology for the empty substance that it offers.

quit formulating excuses in advance
we will see at the conclusion of his term what he has actually accomplished with a republican house and senate

 

[AlbqOwl]

quit formulating excuses in advance
we will see at the conclusion of his term what he has actually accomplished with a republican house and senate

I'm not formulating anything. But it is a fact that those on the left are trying to dominate and flood message boards and social media with negative thread titles, photos, pronouncements, etc. Coupled with a hostile leftwing media that is pretty much doing the same, Democrats and balky permanent political class establishment Republicans in Congress, the President has an uphill fight on his hands the entire way. And no President, no person, can do it without some serious support and help.

I am absolutely convinced that if the President does not succeed in his goals, that will be the largest reason why.

The permanent political class and the left would see the country destroyed before they will allow Trump to succeed at anything. That is happening right now.

 

[MAGAnificent]

McCain is a brain damaged war war mongering RINO. Anything that man says shouldn't be taken serious. I have to wonder why people in his state keep electing him.

There have actually been recall elections that attempted to oust McCrackpot. Unfortunately he has built up a big enough financial war chest and gaggle of corporate supporters such as Lockheed and Boeing, it's hard to oust the bastard.