Mayor Baraka of Newark, New Jersey, arrested at ICE detention center he has been protesting (1 Viewer)

[Absentglare]

Whatever makes you happy. Please, keep on thinking that.

I don’t just change what I believe to make myself happy, I’m not a republican.

 

[dcsports]

How can you believe the mayor of a major city doesn't belong inspecting a private prison in his city that he believes may not be treating the prisoners fairly?

It's not even established whether or not it's federal property as it is privately owned. Does the mayor have the right to visit his own city prison? How would this be any different?

It's not 'his city', or his prison.

Congress is granted per statute the explicit right to enter and inspect any detention facility that falls under their oversight roll anytime without notice. Even they were denied access in the beginning. I don't see why the mayor would be denied a tour with the congress if he deemed it necessary.

What statute is that?

These aren't open to the public. If members of congress or other elected officials want a tour, they can schedule one at an appropriate time.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

These aren't open to the public. If members of congress or other elected officials want a tour, they can schedule one at an appropriate time.

In psychology, the right-wing authoritarian is a personality type that describes somebody who is highly submissive to their authority figures, acts aggressively in the name of said authorities, and is conformist in thought and behavior. The prevalence of this personality type in a population varies from culture to culture, as a person's upbringing and education play a strong role in determining whether somebody develops this sort of personality

 

[upsideguy]

Strange that you I don’t see you telling that to all the people claiming that the mayor did nothing wrong and this is just ice bring fascist thugs.
Wonder why.

First, there is a presumption that he did nothing wrong. It is incumbent on the prosecution to make a case. In what I saw of the tape, I did not see any evidence of trespass, moreover, it was a group endeavor, so if they were concerned about trespass, there would have been multiple arrests.

I generally do not rush to judgement on anything. I want to see the case, but to date there is none. You, OTH, you seem so certain, so I am curious why?

There does seem to be a developing MO in this administration of 'fire, ready, aim"..... most of the things that have accused people of to date are with little foundation. Case in point, the entire fiasco around disappearing a couple of hundred people without clear criteria, while denying them due process. It seems that very few of them were actual "criminals".... they were generally warm bodies that made for a good show. The Trump administration is also actively working to intimidate people. This thing in New Jersey could well be another intimidation tactic, but maybe not.

I notice when I asked for it you produced none, just a feeble attempt to admonish me for not calling out others. Again, the mayor has been charged.... we have a presumption of innocence, yet you have rushed to judgement, so what is your evidence?

 

[braindrain]

First, there is a presumption that he did nothing wrong. It is incumbent on the prosecution to make a case. In what I saw of the tape, I did not see any evidence of trespass, moreover, it was a group endeavor, so if they were concerned about trespass, there would have been multiple arrests.

I generally do not rush to judgement on anything. I want to see the case, but to date there is none. You, OTH, you seem so certain, so I am curious why?

There does seem to be a developing MO in this administration of 'fire, ready, aim"..... most of the things that have accused people of to date are with little foundation. Case in point, the entire fiasco around disappearing a couple of hundred people without clear criteria, while denying them due process. It seems that very few of them were actual "criminals".... they were generally warm bodies that made for a good show. The Trump administration is also actively working to intimidate people. This thing in New Jersey could well be another intimidation tactic, but maybe not.

I notice when I asked for it you produced none, just a feeble attempt to admonish me for not calling out others. Again, the mayor has been charged.... we have a presumption of innocence, yet you have rushed to judgement, so what is your evidence?

You understand this not a court of law right? Hope many times do we see people claiming that what Trump or someone on the right is doing something illegal and yet I don’t see you arguing that we need to wait till all the facts come out and he is found guilty.

Seeing you argue that he did nothing wrong because you watched a video while telling me I need to wait for all the facts to come out is rather obvious hypocrisy. That you don’t see that is rather funny.

And again I see you making a lot of assumptions and accusations without much proof. Don’t you think you should wait till all the evidence comes out. After all we have a presumption of innocence in this country right?

 

[dcsports]

In psychology, the right-wing authoritarian is a personality type that describes somebody who is highly submissive to their authority figures, acts aggressively in the name of said authorities, and is conformist in thought and behavior. The prevalence of this personality type in a population varies from culture to culture, as a person's upbringing and education play a strong role in determining whether somebody develops this sort of personality

Musings about a strawman?

 

[anatta]

Hey! lets rush the detention facility gates full of hardened criminals..Dems come up with another fantastic idea on migrants

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Musings about a strawman?

I wasn't the one doing his best Homan impression.

 

[anatta]

This time I disagree, this was not just a "protest" but he tried to gain access to the building. There is discrepancy on what happened with several others who tried but at the same time a protest is not a universal term to cover any and all action.

The Mayor is claiming "freedom of Speech"/ I mean he could at least get the part about "freedom of assembly" correct..morons

 

[anatta]

I do not believe he broke any laws. Certainly not any laws selectively enforced by stupid fascists, anyway.

so a detention center is fascist? or the fact it's a hard wire perimeter that opened for a bus is fascist? No disrespect, but try some new words other then authoritarian and fascist ( that includes Hitler to)

 

[anatta]

They are.

complete answer

"illegal aliens" are not considered Congressional constituents in the same way as citizens. While the census counts all residents, including those without legal residency, for apportionment purposes, this doesn't mean they have the same political rights as citizens, such as the right to vote

 

[anatta]

The prison authorities are required by law to give a tour to any congress member at any time they want one. It's in the oversight statute.

What excuse can you make up for the assault on those two congresswomen?

The Federal Prison Oversight Act (H.R. 3019) grants members of Congress and their staff access to federal detention facilities. This bipartisan legislation, signed into law in 2024, mandates that the Department of Justice's Inspector General (IG) conduct risk-based inspections of all Bureau of Prisons facilities. These inspections will include recommendations, risk scores, and corrective action plans. The IG must also report findings to Congress and the public, with the BOP responding to reports within 60 days.

They have access but not just show up at a bus entry point and walk thru the opening. Every prison/detention im aware of has security criteria

 

[GIJane]

I don’t just change what I believe to make myself happy, I’m not a republican.

Whatever makes you happy.

I think we've had this discussion. I'm not changing your mind and you're damn sure not changing mine.

 

[Anthony60]

A dumbass political stunt by these morons. They show up when a bus load of dangerous illegals is being brought in and endanger everyone around them. These people don't give a shit about anyone, they only care about pushing their propaganda.
I think if we remove every shit head politician that pronounces "that" as if it is "dat", we would raise the intelligence level of our elected officials significantly.

 

[poweRob]

This is Fox News lying their ass off to deceive their viewers yet again. We need to start criminalizing intentional spreading of disinformation. Lying isn't reporting.

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[Parrish]

They have access but not just show up at a bus entry point and walk thru the opening. Every prison/detention im aware of has security criteria

They are his constituents as are all detainees, and the facility is in his city, and thus subject to city codes and compliances.

 

[j brown's body]

It's not 'his city', or his prison.



What statute is that?

These aren't open to the public. If members of congress or other elected officials want a tour, they can schedule one at an appropriate time.

They don't have to schedule time.

It is his city in that he represents the people of Newark.

 

[j brown's body]

A dumbass political stunt by these morons. They show up when a bus load of dangerous illegals is being brought in and endanger everyone around them. These people don't give a shit about anyone, they only care about pushing their propaganda.
I think if we remove every shit head politician that pronounces "that" as if it is "dat", we would raise the intelligence level of our elected officials significantly.

Don't be frightened of illegals. They fix our roofs and pick our vegetables.

 

[j brown's body]

They have access but not just show up at a bus entry point and walk thru the opening. Every prison/detention im aware of has security criteria

Just because we treat them like they're criminals, which is a classic authoritarian way to dehumanize them, who is to say any of them actually are?

 

[dcsports]

They don't have to schedule time.

It is his city in that he represents the people of Newark.

Still waiting for that statute.

They absolutely have to schedule an appointment.

And Baraka isn't the king of Newark. He's the mayor. And he has zero authority at a federal facility.

 

[dcsports]

They are his constituents as are all detainees,

People detained there aren't necessarily from Newark, and they wouldn't be legal residents regardless.

and the facility is in his city, and thus subject to city codes and compliances.

That's not clear, given that it's a federal facility. And he's a mayor, not a fire marshal of building inspector.

 

[Anthony60]

Don't be frightened of illegals. They fix our roofs and pick our vegetables.

And bring in drugs and commit crimes. Yay!

 

[Cope]

There's a whole lot of attempts to justify someone's own tribe because of some past indiscretion of the other tribe (aka whataboutism)

Hint: It isn't a good defense.

 

[VanceMack]

So...I hear the cells that they held the January 6 people in are available. I reckon thats where they should all be held until their trials...which should be as speedy and expedient as those scheduled for everyone arrested that was connected with January 6.