Maybe there is hope for the Republican Party after all.

[Dittohead not!]

Will the Republicans have the good sense to not nominate the Donald?

Wait and see. Maybe.

 

[Excon]

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Will the Republicans have the good sense to not nominate the Donald?

Wait and see. Maybe.[/QUOTE]
The dynamics afoot is not the same as in the other elections.

If the Republican party does not treat trump fairly he is going to run as a third party.
So I would suggest they treat him fairly, even if that means he receives the nomination.

 

[Chagos]

The dynamics afoot is not the same as in the other elections.

If the Republican party does not treat trump fairly he is going to run as a third party.
So I would suggest they treat him fairly, even if that means he receives the nomination.

That'll be the prayers of the Dems answered for sure.

 

[Excon]

That'll be the prayers of the Dems answered for sure.

Is that what you think?
That's nice.

 

[Chagos]

Well, I'm pretty sure they're hoping for it. Kind of as like a freebee.

 

[Dittohead not!]

The dynamics afoot is not the same as in the other elections.

If the Republican party does not treat trump fairly he is going to run as a third party.
So I would suggest they treat him fairly, even if that means he receives the nomination.

What a choice. Either Trump has a chance to get the nomination, or he runs as a third party candidate. Either way, the Democrats win.

Maybe that's his plan.

 

[Excon]

What a choice. Either Trump has a chance to get the nomination,[/QUOTE]You do not think having a chance is fair?

Either way, the Democrats win.

That is an assumption.
One that very well may not turn out to be true as he isn't just supported by republicans.
His appeal is much broader.

Maybe that's his plan.

Maybe, maybe not.
Yet he has said he can win.

Regrardless. His numbers continue to grow within the Republican field.

---

Rasmussen Reports

Trump Change: Voters Rate His Chances

[...]

Our latest national telephone survey finds that 57% of Likely Republican Voters now think Trump is likely to be the Republican presidential nominee next year, with 25% who say it’s Very Likely. That compares to 27% who felt a Trump nomination was likely two months ago when he formally announced his presidential bid, a finding that included just nine percent (9%) who said it was Very Likely.

At that time, Trump ran near the bottom among the 12 declared GOP candidates. Now he leads the pack of Republican hopefuls which has grown to include 17 prominent contenders.

Among all likely voters, 49% think Trump is likely to be the Republican nominee, including 17% who say it’s Very Likely. That compares to 23% and seven percent (7%) respectively in the earlier survey. Forty-eight percent (48%) now say Trump is not likely to win the nomination, with 21% who feel it is Not At All Likely.

Forty-two percent (42%) of Republican voters say Trump is unlikely to be their party’s standard-bearer next year, but that includes just 15% who say it’s Not At All Likely. That’s down from 29% who said a Trump nomination was Not At All Likely two months ago. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

[...]

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Trump Change: Voters Rate His Chances​

 

[code1211]

Will the Republicans have the good sense to not nominate the Donald?

Wait and see. Maybe.

I like to watch the discussion portion of the Bret Baier show and tonight there was an interesting exchange between Charles Krouthammer and Laura Ingram.

Krauthammer suggested that the that Trump was a soon-to-be flash in the pan and Ingram didn't exactly disagree, but did have a very interesting view.

She said that both of our political parties have been promising to correct our problems for decades and have only succeeded in running up the debt and breaking their promises while growing rich.

Her observation is that the average guy, regardless of party affiliation, is just plain pissed off at the ongoing lies and the inside the beltway folks just don't get it. They live in a "Who-me?" world of denial.

Ingram did not say this, but the Democrats have promised justice and the Republicans have promised legality and neither has delivered either. That Trump is calling them all out on their crookedness and ineptitude is the thing that Ingram thinks is building the ground swell.

He might be a lunatic in the mold of the "Network" personality Howard Beale, but he might be the lunatic that becomes the Jesse Ventura President.

From the clip in the link below from a movie released in 1976, are the words "I'm a human being! God damn it! My life has value!". Everything, ev-er-eee-thing, said in this clip is as appropriate and accurate today as it was then. Since then, our government has spent literally trillions of dollars to correct things and they have only made them worse in many cases and perpetuated them in all cases.

Not mentioned is the feckless leadership of president controlled by splinter groups or the problem of Iran, but wadaya know?

If you aren't as mad as hell after all of this, you're in a coma and need to be awakened. It seems that many people are waking up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGIY5Vyj4YM

 

[Excon]

If anyone is interested in the Alabama rally, here are some live coverage links.


FOX10 News 24/7

Donald Trump Mobile Alabama Rally WATCH LIVE STREAM | Mediaite

Livestreaming 24/7 - FOX10 News | WALA

Watch LIVE WKRG News 5 Mobile AL Live News

 

[Dittohead not!]

I like to watch the discussion portion of the Bret Baier show and tonight there was an interesting exchange between Charles Krouthammer and Laura Ingram.

Krauthammer suggested that the that Trump was a soon-to-be flash in the pan and Ingram didn't exactly disagree, but did have a very interesting view.

She said that both of our political parties have been promising to correct our problems for decades and have only succeeded in running up the debt and breaking their promises while growing rich.

Her observation is that the average guy, regardless of party affiliation, is just plain pissed off at the ongoing lies and the inside the beltway folks just don't get it. They live in a "Who-me?" world of denial.

Ingram did not say this, but the Democrats have promised justice and the Republicans have promised legality and neither has delivered either. That Trump is calling them all out on their crookedness and ineptitude is the thing that Ingram thinks is building the ground swell.

He might be a lunatic in the mold of the "Network" personality Howard Beale, but he might be the lunatic that becomes the Jesse Ventura President.

From the clip in the link below from a movie released in 1976, are the words "I'm a human being! God damn it! My life has value!". Everything, ev-er-eee-thing, said in this clip is as appropriate and accurate today as it was then. Since then, our government has spent literally trillions of dollars to correct things and they have only made them worse in many cases and perpetuated them in all cases.

Not mentioned is the feckless leadership of president controlled by splinter groups or the problem of Iran, but wadaya know?

If you aren't as mad as hell after all of this, you're in a coma and need to be awakened. It seems that many people are waking up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGIY5Vyj4YM

Oh, goodie. We're so tired of politics as usual and the two major parties that don't deliver on their promises that we're ready to elect a lunatic to the White House? What is happening to this great nation?

 

[Excon]

You calling him a lunatic just shows your opinion is dripping with partisan bs and not based in reality.

 

[distraff]

Will the Republicans have the good sense to not nominate the Donald?

Wait and see. Maybe.

I think the Republicans have a very flawed field that has generally trailed Clinton in polling, but recently these email scandals have been destroying her lead over her Democratic Rivals but also her lead over possible Republican rivals. Here is the GOP field:

Trump: Too offensive, lack of experience, .... I could go on.
Bush: Wrong last name, and few differences from brother.
Carson: No experience.
Walker: Boring, policies did not achieve good results in Wisconsin.
Rubio: Less experience, but the best in my opinion.
Paul: Too Libertarian, too whiny.
Cruz: Too radical, annoying personality.
Huckabee: Too conservative on social issues.
Christie: Corrupt.
Perry: Stupid.
Others: Not well known enough, or are boring.

Democratic Field:
Clinton: Too corrupt, seems cold and aloof.
Sanders: Too socialist.
Biden: Too connected to the unpopular Obama administration.
Warren: Lack of experience, annoying personality.
O'Malley: Not well known, boring.
Others: Too boring and not well known.

I think both parties have a lot of challenges with bad candidates. I think the Republican's best choice is Rubio and the democrat's is Martin O'Malley. However the Republicans need at least 42% of the Hispanic vote to win unless they do really well with other racial groups, and lately they have been saying some really anti-immigration thinks which is going to annoy minorities. Rubio would be perfect to get the Hispanic vote.

 

[Dittohead not!]

I think the Republicans have a very flawed field that has generally trailed Clinton in polling, but recently these email scandals have been destroying her lead over her Democratic Rivals but also her lead over possible Republican rivals. Here is the GOP field:

Trump: Too offensive, lack of experience, .... I could go on.
Bush: Wrong last name, and few differences from brother.
Carson: No experience.
Walker: Boring, policies did not achieve good results in Wisconsin.
Rubio: Less experience, but the best in my opinion.
Paul: Too Libertarian, too whiny.
Cruz: Too radical, annoying personality.
Huckabee: Too conservative on social issues.
Christie: Corrupt.
Perry: Stupid.
Others: Not well known enough, or are boring.

Democratic Field:
Clinton: Too corrupt, seems cold and aloof.
Sanders: Too socialist.
Biden: Too connected to the unpopular Obama administration.
Warren: Lack of experience, annoying personality.
O'Malley: Not well known, boring.
Others: Too boring and not well known.

I think both parties have a lot of challenges with bad candidates. I think the Republican's best choice is Rubio and the democrat's is Martin O'Malley. However the Republicans need at least 42% of the Hispanic vote to win unless they do really well with other racial groups, and lately they have been saying some really anti-immigration thinks which is going to annoy minorities. Rubio would be perfect to get the Hispanic vote.

It's not a great choice, is it? Rubio and O'Malley are pretty far back in the pack just now. One or both of them could wind up being the nominee, but it's a long shot. Clinton is most likely to be the Democratic nominee, and she just might be devious and cynical enough to actually make a good president. Good guys don't always get the job done.

 

[Excon]

It's not a great choice, is it? Rubio and O'Malley are pretty far back in the pack just now. One or both of them could wind up being the nominee, but it's a long shot. Clinton is most likely to be the Democratic nominee, and she just might be devious and cynical enough to actually make a good president. Good guys don't always get the job done.

Hillary is not going to survive, it will be Biden against the Republican nominee.

Rubio's parents were not citizens when he was born and is therefore not a natural born citizen under the terminology that was known to the Framers. That issue has never been settled by the Court but may likely be if Trump is elected and gets the 14th issue before them.

 

[distraff]

It's not a great choice, is it? Rubio and O'Malley are pretty far back in the pack just now. One or both of them could wind up being the nominee, but it's a long shot. Clinton is most likely to be the Democratic nominee, and she just might be devious and cynical enough to actually make a good president. Good guys don't always get the job done.

Clinton's democratic support has fallen from 65% to 49% over the last few months.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - 2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination

In New Hampshire she is now behind Sanders.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - New Hampshire 2016 Democratic Primary

She used to be leading her GOP opponents by double digits but latest polls showing her ahead of Rubio and Bush by only 3% and that is likely to fall further.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Bush vs. Clinton
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton

Currently 49% have an unfavorable opinion of Clinton while only 41% have a favorable opinion of her. That is worse than Obama who is now a President in his second term with 44% approval and 51% disapproval.
Hillary Clinton Favorable Rating - Polls - HuffPost Pollster
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

The lastest news about Clinton make it seems like she has trying to deliberately trying to hide her emails, put classified information at risk, and generally makes her out to be cold, deceptive, manipulative, and unauthentic. This is really hurting her approval ratings, her performance against other democrats, and her performance against possible GOP contenders. Also her record as Secretary of State has been damaged by the recent problems with Russia and ISIS blowing away everything she tried to do.

Honestly with the way things are going, she may no longer be a good opponent against the GOP. We need someone else.

 

[LaylaWindu]

Theres always hope but I don't think it will come for 2016. Too many emotions over socially issues and race and woman's' rights that will taint the waters and the candidates won't be smart enough to separate their talking points from them.

 

[code1211]

Oh, goodie. We're so tired of politics as usual and the two major parties that don't deliver on their promises that we're ready to elect a lunatic to the White House? What is happening to this great nation?

What's happening to this great nation?

The students are not being taught enough to stop their slide out of the top quartile of advanced countries.

The manufacturing is evaporating.

The government is working tirelessly to stop innovation, profitable enterprise and freedom.

The Congress has abandoned its Constitutional duties.

The Presidency's powers have expanded to the point of dictatorship.

The goal of most people is to get entitlements as an award for doing nothing.

Achievement is reviled and sloth is rewarded.

Out debt, both the level and the rate of growth, is beyond the wildest dreams of anyone.

The once feared negotiating skills of the Yankee trader are now replaced by the feckless failings of the government's dupes.

Victimhood is considered a noble position to hold in our society.

Responsibility is never accepted and only mentioned when framed as part of an attack.

Criminals run free. Laws are selectively enforced. Regulations pervert legislation.

The will of the people is ignored.

The public's view of national direction is splintered according to selfishness and there is not a feeling of national pride allowed by the intelligencia.

The general feeling of the average guy is that the best days of America are lost and there is no road back from where we are.

Most of the graduating class this year believe strongly that they will not do as well as their parents.

The most hopeful population in the history of mankind has been beaten down to the point where fear and greed have replaced hope and charity.

Outside of that, nothing much.

 

[code1211]

It's not a great choice, is it? Rubio and O'Malley are pretty far back in the pack just now. One or both of them could wind up being the nominee, but it's a long shot. Clinton is most likely to be the Democratic nominee, and she just might be devious and cynical enough to actually make a good president. Good guys don't always get the job done.

That line of logic is why my dad voted for Nixon.

The only time in his life he ever voted for a Republican.

McGovern was the Dem in that election.

 

[code1211]

Hillary is not going to survive, it will be Biden against the Republican nominee.

Rubio's parents were not citizens when he was born and is therefore not a natural born citizen under the terminology that was known to the Framers. That issue has never been settled by the Court but may likely be if Trump is elected and gets the 14th issue before them.

Again, the intent of the law and what the law says are different things.

We are now forced to try to read the soul's of those that apparently cannot express their thoughts in their words.

This would be an interesting case to be put before the current SCOTUS.

Roberts has framed a particular method of judicial review. If the 14th Amendment is put before this court, will he be consistent or will he be the weasel he seems to be revealing himself to be?

If the intent of the folks who wrote Obamacare overrides what they actually wrote, will the same be applied to the 14th Amendment?

An interesting question which I hope is answered in the real world. I look forward to reading the coverage of this in the Onion.

 

[code1211]

Clinton's democratic support has fallen from 65% to 49% over the last few months.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - 2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination

In New Hampshire she is now behind Sanders.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - New Hampshire 2016 Democratic Primary

She used to be leading her GOP opponents by double digits but latest polls showing her ahead of Rubio and Bush by only 3% and that is likely to fall further.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Bush vs. Clinton
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton

Currently 49% have an unfavorable opinion of Clinton while only 41% have a favorable opinion of her. That is worse than Obama who is now a President in his second term with 44% approval and 51% disapproval.
Hillary Clinton Favorable Rating - Polls - HuffPost Pollster
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

The lastest news about Clinton make it seems like she has trying to deliberately trying to hide her emails, put classified information at risk, and generally makes her out to be cold, deceptive, manipulative, and unauthentic. This is really hurting her approval ratings, her performance against other democrats, and her performance against possible GOP contenders. Also her record as Secretary of State has been damaged by the recent problems with Russia and ISIS blowing away everything she tried to do.

Honestly with the way things are going, she may no longer be a good opponent against the GOP. We need someone else.

Ya think?

 

[code1211]

Theres always hope but I don't think it will come for 2016. Too many emotions over socially issues and race and woman's' rights that will taint the waters and the candidates won't be smart enough to separate their talking points from them.

If only we had elected a President in 2008 that was not a racist divider that segmented all parts of society into factions, pitting them against one another for an imagined benefit that was being taken from each of us by other the factions.

Our leader says to hate each other and we do.

At least we can follow simple instructions...

 

[Dittohead not!]

Hillary is not going to survive, it will be Biden against the Republican nominee.

Rubio's parents were not citizens when he was born and is therefore not a natural born citizen under the terminology that was known to the Framers. That issue has never been settled by the Court but may likely be if Trump is elected and gets the 14th issue before them.

Since you've made a prediction, so will I:

Trump is never going to be elected. If he were to be elected, he would not succeed in repealing the 14th Amendment.

Now to sit back and see whose predictions, if any of them, turn out to be correct.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Clinton's democratic support has fallen from 65% to 49% over the last few months.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - 2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination

In New Hampshire she is now behind Sanders.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - New Hampshire 2016 Democratic Primary

She used to be leading her GOP opponents by double digits but latest polls showing her ahead of Rubio and Bush by only 3% and that is likely to fall further.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Bush vs. Clinton
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton

Currently 49% have an unfavorable opinion of Clinton while only 41% have a favorable opinion of her. That is worse than Obama who is now a President in his second term with 44% approval and 51% disapproval.
Hillary Clinton Favorable Rating - Polls - HuffPost Pollster
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

The lastest news about Clinton make it seems like she has trying to deliberately trying to hide her emails, put classified information at risk, and generally makes her out to be cold, deceptive, manipulative, and unauthentic. This is really hurting her approval ratings, her performance against other democrats, and her performance against possible GOP contenders. Also her record as Secretary of State has been damaged by the recent problems with Russia and ISIS blowing away everything she tried to do.

Honestly with the way things are going, she may no longer be a good opponent against the GOP. We need someone else.

I quite agree that the Democrats need someone else.

But, the current apparent alternate choice, Bernie Sanders, is a self declared socialist. That fact alone is enough to keep him from winning the presidency.

 

[Dittohead not!]

What's happening to this great nation?

The students are not being taught enough to stop their slide out of the top quartile of advanced countries.

The manufacturing is evaporating.

The government is working tirelessly to stop innovation, profitable enterprise and freedom.

The Congress has abandoned its Constitutional duties.

The Presidency's powers have expanded to the point of dictatorship.

The goal of most people is to get entitlements as an award for doing nothing.

Achievement is reviled and sloth is rewarded.

Out debt, both the level and the rate of growth, is beyond the wildest dreams of anyone.

The once feared negotiating skills of the Yankee trader are now replaced by the feckless failings of the government's dupes.

Victimhood is considered a noble position to hold in our society.

Responsibility is never accepted and only mentioned when framed as part of an attack.

Criminals run free. Laws are selectively enforced. Regulations pervert legislation.

The will of the people is ignored.

The public's view of national direction is splintered according to selfishness and there is not a feeling of national pride allowed by the intelligencia.

The general feeling of the average guy is that the best days of America are lost and there is no road back from where we are.

Most of the graduating class this year believe strongly that they will not do as well as their parents.

The most hopeful population in the history of mankind has been beaten down to the point where fear and greed have replaced hope and charity.

Outside of that, nothing much.

So, it's real? It's not just that I'm getting old and cynical?

 

[Dittohead not!]

That line of logic is why my dad voted for Nixon.

The only time in his life he ever voted for a Republican.

McGovern was the Dem in that election.

Another election in which the choice was between bad and worse.

And the voters picked worse.

Is there time to get a new speaker of the House before Hillary is elected?