Mass. Court Allows Legislature to Consider Placing Gay Marriage Ban on Ballot

[Jerry]

As Yogi Berra once said, "Its not over until its over." That even applies to Gay Marriage in Mass...........Stay tuned.....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202780,00.html


Mass. Court Allows Legislature to Consider Placing Gay Marriage Ban on Ballot
Monday, July 10, 2006


BOSTON — The same court that made Massachusetts the first state to legalize gay marriage ruled Monday that a proposed constitutional amendment to ban future same-sex marriages can be placed on the ballot, if approved by the Legislature.

Let me know when they have the amendment written. Until I read it I can't comment.

 

[Kandahar]

Oh get off your high horse. Eventually people change and we have to allow them to do so.

Notice that there aren't many segregationists today? Villifying views that deserve villification certainly does wonders for eliminating those views.

Once people understand that homophobia is socially unacceptable, it will cease to be a problem. All the logic in the world won't convince someone like Navy Pride. The only thing that will get him to change his mind is if he realizes that society looks down on homophobia.

 

[Kandahar]

Marriage isnt a right -- its a privilege.

Red isn't a color, it's a hue.

 

[Navy Pride]

Let me know when they have the amendment written. Until I read it I can't comment.

Sure you can still comment on the issue........that is what DP is all about.

 

[Kandahar]

What the court did this time is leave the issue up to the Mass. legislature which is what they should have done the last time instead of making their own law.......

They got it right this time.........Judges interpret law, they don't make it.......Now its up to the lawmakers and the people of Mass. as to whether Gay Marriage should be legal.......Not activist judges.........

So that means that if the people of Massachusetts vote to keep gay marriage legal, you won't bitch and moan about it?

 

[Navy Pride]

Notice that there aren't many segregationists today? Villifying views that deserve villification certainly does wonders for eliminating those views.

Once people understand that homophobia is socially unacceptable, it will cease to be a problem. All the logic in the world won't convince someone like Navy Pride. The only thing that will get him to change his mind is if he realizes that society looks down on homophobia.

Is that all you got is name calling? Are you going to call jallman a homophobe to? He agrees with me that Civil Unions with eaqual rights is the way to go..........Is he homophobe? You really need to get off your high horse......Name calling converts no one.....

 

[Kandahar]

I think you are referring to me and I am for equal rights for all Americans......I just don't think you need to change the definition of marriage to accomplish that......I think most Americans feel that way, even my friend jallman who is gay.......

You and Jallman shouldn't be able to decide what the rest of Americans need or don't need in terms of marriage. If you or Jallman don't want a same-sex marriage, don't marry a person of the same sex. It's really as simple as that.

 

[Stinger]

Can you explain to me why a human being would not afford another human being the same rights that the human being has?

Since that is not an issue here why do you ask?

 

[Navy Pride]

So that means that if the people of Massachusetts vote to keep gay marriage legal, you won't bitch and moan about it?

I will go with what the people of Mass. say..I won't go to some activist judge to defy the will of the people like you and your friends on the left do.........

 

[Navy Pride]

You and Jallman shouldn't be able to decide what the rest of Americans need or don't need in terms of marriage. If you or Jallman don't want a same-sex marriage, don't marry a person of the same sex. It's really as simple as that.

Ah jallman is gay....... Unlike you I want the people of Mass. to decide on the issue..........That is the American way my left wing friend......

 

[ShamMol]

Notice that there aren't many segregationists today? Villifying views that deserve villification certainly does wonders for eliminating those views.

Once people understand that homophobia is socially unacceptable, it will cease to be a problem. All the logic in the world won't convince someone like Navy Pride. The only thing that will get him to change his mind is if he realizes that society looks down on homophobia.

And I will work to make sure people see our point of view, but we can't force it upon people - they have to be allowed to vote. The court has made the right decision twice, in my opinion, and followed the law. We should want to do the same. Work to convince people that marriage should be between two consenting adults and get that on the ballot. And eventually, people will be with us...it just may take a while.

 

[Goobieman]

Once people understand that homophobia is socially unacceptable, it will cease to be a problem.

Who is afraid of homosexuals?

 

[aps]

Who is afraid of homosexuals?

I think the issue is more about why are those who are against gay marriage against it? What are you afraid of? What will happen to society? What will happen to the "family" as we now know it?

For people like me, I just don't see how anyone else's family situation has any impact on my marriage. If my neighbor beats his wife, how does that impact me (aside from calling the police if I witness the abuse)? Does that lessen my morals, my husband's morals, etc?

 

[Deegan]

Homosexuals want to be accepted as normal, I think they are, but they are not going to advance their cause by trying to change the definition of marriage. If they want to advance this issue, they should push for civil unions, and I think this would pass quite easily. This is about protecting marriage, not hating anyone, or disagreeing with their choice, just protecting a tradition.

 

[Kelzie]

Your link is Lesbian life.......now there is a real fair and unbiased link.........:roll:

It may not pass but the judges at least got it right this time..............Kudos to them........

That quoted an independent poll. Want to try again?

 

[Kelzie]

Is that all you got is name calling? Are you going to call jallman a homophobe to? He agrees with me that Civil Unions with eaqual rights is the way to go..........Is he homophobe? You really need to get off your high horse......Name calling converts no one.....

Actually, if we're going to be dragging jallman into this, he wants marriage but will settle for civil union.

 

[Goobieman]

I think the issue is more about why are those who are against gay marriage against it? What are you afraid of? What will happen to society? What will happen to the "family" as we now know it?

Why do you suppose any given anti-gay position is based on "fear"?

"Homophobia" was a term coined to belittle those that disagree with homosexualtiy and/or simply don't like gays -- "its something they dont understand, and so they fear it".

 

[aps]

Homosexuals want to be accepted as normal, I think they are, but they are not going to advance their cause by trying to change the definition of marriage. If they want to advance this issue, they should push for civil unions, and I think this would pass quite easily. This is about protecting marriage, not hating anyone, or disagreeing with their choice, just protecting a tradition.

I like what you have said; however, what if there was a law that made it illegal for a married couple to have a child if one of them has the gene for cystic fibrosis. Why should a couple with the gene carrier be treated differently?

To me, any two consenting adults should be able to make vows to each other (not in a church) about being together forever. We all know how 50% of marriages end in divorce, so it appears that marriage isn't that sacred, so what is there that is being protected?

One of my co-workers is divorced and she and her ex-husband have played games with each other through their child, who is a screwed-up kid (he has been expelled from 2 schools). Oh, that's a great heterosexual relationship. Let's protect that kind of tradition. :roll: (No offense to you, Deegan .)

 

[aps]

I think the issue is more about why are those who are against gay marriage against it? What are you afraid of? What will happen to society? What will happen to the "family" as we now know it?

Why do you suppose any given anti-gay position is based on "fear"?

"Homophobia" was a term coined to belittle those that disagree with homosexualtiy and/or simply don't like gays -- "its something they dont understand, and so they fear it".

I am not calling people against gay marriage homophobic. I want to know what makes someone against gay marriage.

 

[Deegan]

I like what you have said; however, what if there was a law that made it illegal for a married couple to have a child if one of them has the gene for cystic fibrosis. Why should a couple with the gene carrier be treated differently?

To me, any two consenting adults should be able to make vows to each other (not in a church) about being together forever. We all know how 50% of marriages end in divorce, so it appears that marriage isn't that sacred, so what is there that is being protected?

One of my co-workers is divorced and she and her ex-husband have played games with each other through their child, who is a screwed-up kid (he has been expelled from 2 schools). Oh, that's a great heterosexual relationship. Let's protect that kind of tradition. :roll: (No offense to you, Deegan .)

It's the 50% that believe in marriage that I am speaking for, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Goobieman]

I am not calling people against gay marriage homophobic. I want to know what makes someone against gay marriage.

You arent. But other people here are.

And I think the reasons why people are against gay marriage are spread pretty thickly across this board.

 

[aps]

You arent. But other people here are.

And I think the reasons why people are against gay marriage are spread pretty thickly across this board.

So tell me why you're against it. I promise I won't criticize you or try to convince you to feel otherwise (i.e., why you are wrong just kidding).

 

[Goobieman]

So tell me why you're against it. I promise I won't criticize you or try to convince you to feel otherwise (i.e., why you are wrong just kidding).

Why I am against same sex marriage?

Marriage is a union betweena man and a woman.

This necessarily precludes a union between a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, or a man and three women, or six women and six men.

 

[Kandahar]

Why I am against same sex marriage?

Marriage is a union betweena man and a woman.

So you're against marriages that are unions between two men because marriage is a union between a man and a woman. This simplistic tautology is silly; it's like saying you're against abortion because you're against abortion.

 

[Goobieman]

So you're against unions between two men because a union is between a man and a woman. This simplistic tautology is silly; it's like saying you're against gun rights because you're against gun rights.

No... it like saying that since only a certian set of people should have guns, then people not within that set should not have guns.

Marriage is defined as a union betwen a man and woman; a man and a man is not a man and a woman, and so cannot marry.

Fundamentally, marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Change any of those fundamentals (a, man, woman), and its not a marriage.