Marriage equality

[barbarian_style]

The same treatment that is given to other legal relatives. It is a "special treatment" for the reason that people get married, they consider themselves family and want the government to recognize them as such. The same reason that a person would file a birth certificate or legal adoption papers with the state they live in when they have a child/adopt a child. They want a child to be legally recognized as theirs.

Well this is my point, if the government would treat marriage at the foundation of what it should be then maybe I would sway my opinion. Your points are exactly why the institute of marriage defined by the government is continuously being redefined, even though there is many people that would like to preserve the sanctity of marriage only as far back of government getting involved. You are looking only for the fringe benefits that you may be afforded by the government, sounds pale.

 

[barbarian_style]

translation: still no quote to back up your lie, we get it


if you can find one quote here supporting your lie and with me saying marriage is just about a contract you can change my avatar to anything you want

but since you posted nothing but lies and we are all laughing at them the only thing that will happen is you post another deflection and or lie
destroying and owning your posts is so easy

Do you carry turds in pocket? Really, I get it you are in contrast belief of what I think of the marriage. You get your way because of a majority, that still doesn't mean that you get to say I lie, it is called an objective opinion on what you want to receive from the government. I don't sit here and call you names other than question that you are trolling, that is an action you are doing.
I can not help that you contradicted yourself on that one catch post I made, read it better. I was trying to get through to how you are acting. You say I am lying, what am I lying about my opinion on the subject? I understand an opinion isn't fact finding but some how you word smith it to sounds like it. Can you make one post that has nothing to do with me as a person? So far everyone has been nothing but you sounding really but hurt.

BUR DUH I AM WRONG ABOUT MY OPINION, really that is all you are about hearing from me. Sorry but your argument failed with me and you in noway changed my OPINION on the subject. Get over it.

 

[AGENT J]

Do you carry turds in pocket? Really, I get it you are in contrast belief of what I think of the marriage. You get your way because of a majority, that still doesn't mean that you get to say I lie, it is called an objective opinion on what you want to receive from the government. I don't sit here and call you names other than question that you are trolling, that is an action you are doing.
I can not help that you contradicted yourself on that one catch post I made, read it better. I was trying to get through to how you are acting. You say I am lying, what am I lying about my opinion on the subject? I understand an opinion isn't fact finding but some how you word smith it to sounds like it. Can you make one post that has nothing to do with me as a person? So far everyone has been nothing but you sounding really but hurt.

BUR DUH I AM WRONG ABOUT MY OPINION, really that is all you are about hearing from me. Sorry but your argument failed with me and you in noway changed my OPINION on the subject. Get over it.

Translation:
you still got nothing and my avatar is safe because you cant defend the lies you posted
and yes you did factually lie, i can quote the lie if you like
thanks for playing but as usual your post is destroyed by facts again and owning your posts is so easy please keep this entertainment going!
Watching you get angry and frustrated is even more funny.
Its cute that you think people will fall for your deflecitons

getting back on topic:

is legal marriage a contract, yes or no?

 

[AGENT J]

back on topic lets go over the facts

- legal marriage is a contract (some are so unedcuated about this topic they dont even know this)
- government is need to protect and enforce the rights and privileges of marriage
- things are gained from marriage that currently cant be gained any other way
- things that can be gained in other ways will still need the government

 

[roguenuke]

Well this is my point, if the government would treat marriage at the foundation of what it should be then maybe I would sway my opinion. Your points are exactly why the institute of marriage defined by the government is continuously being redefined, even though there is many people that would like to preserve the sanctity of marriage only as far back of government getting involved. You are looking only for the fringe benefits that you may be afforded by the government, sounds pale.

No. You are the one concentrating on the "fringe benefits". If you don't approve of those extra benefits, fight to change them. Has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the government should be recognizing marriages, and therefore spouses.

 

[barbarian_style]

Translation:
you still got nothing and my avatar is safe because you cant defend the lies you posted
and yes you did factually lie, i can quote the lie if you like
thanks for playing but as usual your post is destroyed by facts again and owning your posts is so easy please keep this entertainment going!
Watching you get angry and frustrated is even more funny.
Its cute that you think people will fall for your deflecitons

getting back on topic:

is legal marriage a contract, yes or no?

If you want to get married for the handouts the government is offering yes, If you get married for what I think is the foundation of marriage is, then no. You want to run off of how the government has defined it for you, then for the third time on this subject matter than yes it is my socialist friend. After all you are asking the government to have a social policy on it.

 

[roguenuke]

If you want to get married for the handouts the government is offering yes, If you get married for what I think is the foundation of marriage is, then no. You want to run off of how the government has defined it for you, then for the third time on this subject matter than yes it is my socialist friend.

Here's the thing. People should get married for what they believe marriage is about, not what you believe it is about or founded on.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)If you want to get married for the handouts the government is offering yes
2.) If you get married for what I think is the foundation of marriage is, then no.
3.) You want to run off of how the government has defined it for you then for the third time on this subject matter than yes it is my socialist friend.
4.)After all you are asking the government to have a social policy on it.

1.) this has ZERO impact on the fact that legal marriage is a contract so you are factually wrong in the reason it is a contract
2.) this has ZERO impact on the fact that legal marriage is a contract so you are factually wrong in the reason you don't think it is
3.) no, I dont, and continuing to post this lie just makes your posts look more silly and dishonest than they already are and nobody buys your lies so you are factually wrong in the reason you say it is a contract
4.) no i am not, this lie wont work either

thank you fro actually sticking to the topic though even though every point you made was factually wrong and had nothing to do with or has any impact to why legal is marriage a contract.

Legal marriage is in fact a contract and that has nothing to do with anything you ranted about. Thanks

 

[barbarian_style]

Here's the thing. People should get married for what they believe marriage is about, not what you believe it is about or founded on.

I am in no way impeding on what you feel marriage is. I am not going running around trying to change the social polices on it. Hell I am not even trying to change your opinion. If anyone would like to interject their opinion on it yet can't stand hearing the minority side of it then don't read this thread. I understand that you may not be in favor of it but this does not change my view on it. People think that oh no this guy isn't conforming, I say so?

 

[AGENT J]

Here's the thing. People should get married for what they believe marriage is about, not what you believe it is about or founded on.

DING DING DING DING DING

100% correct

i can get married for love and commitment tomorrow and if me and my spouse choose to get legally married it wi will be a contract and our marriage will still be about love and commitment.

this fact upsets some people that dont understand what facts are and what legal marriage is.

 

[barbarian_style]

1.) this has ZERO impact on the fact that legal marriage is a contract so you are factually wrong in the reason it is a contract
2.) this has ZERO impact on the fact that legal marriage is a contract so you are factually wrong in the reason you don't think it is
3.) no, I dont, and continuing to post this lie just makes your posts look more silly and dishonest than they already are and nobody buys your lies so you are factually wrong in the reason you say it is a contract
4.) no i am not, this lie wont work either

thank you fro actually sticking to the topic though even though every point you made was factually wrong and had nothing to do with or has any impact to why legal is marriage a contract.

Legal marriage is in fact a contract and that has nothing to do with anything you ranted about. Thanks

It only took me to post this 3x before you got it, here is a cookie and a government hand out on the contract side, have fun.

Again only an opinion on both side actually not factually (opinions are not facts). too bad I don't agree with you, are you going to be OK with that? The world will be a better place when people realize its grey. Life & reality are grey, not black & white, come to the middle, come to reality.

 

[AGENT J]

I am in no way impeding on what you feel marriage is. I am not going running around trying to change the social polices on it. Hell I am not even trying to change your opinion. If anyone would like to interject their opinion on it yet can't stand hearing the minority side of it then don't read this thread. I understand that you may not be in favor of it but this does not change my view on it. People think that oh no this guy isn't conforming, I say so?

neither one of us is trying to conform you

do you ever post anything that inst factually wrong and or a strawman

how are either one of us trying to conform you or change your view? i cant wait to hear this

 

[roguenuke]

I am in no way impeding on what you feel marriage is. I am not going running around trying to change the social polices on it. Hell I am not even trying to change your opinion. If anyone would like to interject their opinion on it yet can't stand hearing the minority side of it then don't read this thread. I understand that you may not be in favor of it but this does not change my view on it. People think that oh no this guy isn't conforming, I say so?

Legal marriage is about establishing legal kinship. Heck, the proof of this is in how it has actually been used in the past, particularly by leaders of countries, marrying off their daughters and sons to make legal ties to other countries.

It doesn't matter what you think it should be. It is a legal relationship making people legal kin. That is the one thing that is common for every single marriage. Nothing else for all couples who claim marriage legally. And it is something that has been true for a long time. Only in the past, a couple simply only had to claim they were "married" and live as such in order for that relationship to be established. But then again, in the past, if you found a child and you claimed the child as your own, unless the child looked very different from you/your mate, there was a good chance that no one would question it. Now, we have birth certificates, not just Bibles or other familial documents recording births.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Again only an opinion.
2.)too bad I don't agree with you
3.) are you going to be OK with that?

1.)no its not an opinion its the facts
2.) you dont have to agree with facts, facts dont care about your feelings or you agreeing with them
3.) yes im fine with you being factually wrong

legal marriage is a contract, there is no changing this fact and its no an opinion but its hilarious watching you trying to deny this fact

 

[AGENT J]

1.)It only took me to post this 3x before you got it
2.), here is a cookie and a government hand out on the contract side, have fun.
3.) Again only an opinion.
4.) too bad I don't agree with you
5.) are you going to be OK with that?

1.) no ive gotten it for pages, you are clueless on this topic, dishonest and severely uneducated on what legal marriage is
2.) another failed deflections that is meaningless to legal marriage and has no impact on the fact legal marriage is a contract

with ever post like this you further prove you have no idea what you are talking about on this topic

3.) again its a fact, definitions and law prove you factually wrong
4,) has nothing to do with "me" you are arguing against facts and you are failing and getting destroyed
5.) yes im fine with your exposing how little you know about this topic and being factually wrong

 

[barbarian_style]

1.) no ive gotten it for pages, you are clueless on this topic, dishonest and severely uneducated on what legal marriage is
2.) another failed deflections that is meaningless to legal marriage and has no impact on the fact legal marriage is a contract

with ever post like this you further prove you have no idea what you are talking about on this topic

3.) again its a fact, definitions and law prove you factually wrong
4,) has nothing to do with "me" you are arguing against facts and you are failing and getting destroyed
5.) yes im fine with your exposing how little you know about this topic and being factually wrong

One more time, I do not believe in the institution of marriage defined by government due to it only being hand outs. You will impede on my opinion to save marriage to that one sole contractual purpose. When people get married you know what should change? Nothing, zilch, zero. No special treatment, no hand outs.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)One more time, I do not believe in the institution of marriage defined by government
2.) due to it only being hand outs.
3.) You will impede on my opinion to save marriage to that one sole contractual purpose.
4.) When people get married you know what should change?

1.) doesn't matter what you believe in, the discussion was about legal marriage and what it is, you got that answer factually wrong and theres no changing that fact. Everytime you say legal marriag isnt a contract you are 100% factually wrong.
2.) government handouts also are factually meaningless to what legal marriages and dont define so that's another thing you got wrong
3.) your opinion of what legal marriage is, is factually wrong

nobody here . . . . NOBODY . . .said marriage is just a contract and thats all its about, this straw man is losing

4.) what should "change" when people get LEGALLY married?

 

[barbarian_style]

1.) doesn't matter what you believe in, the discussion was about legal marriage and what it is, you got that answer factually wrong and theres no changing that fact. Everytime you say legal marriag isnt a contract you are 100% factually wrong.
2.) government handouts also are factually meaningless to what legal marriages and dont define so that's another thing you got wrong
3.) your opinion of what legal marriage is, is factually wrong

nobody here . . . . NOBODY . . .said marriage is just a contract and thats all its about, this straw man is losing

4.) what should "change" when people get LEGALLY married?

Get the government out of marriage completely. Set up ways for people to split up property and estates, but throw out special tax priveleges for all marriages. Marriage should be about love, not a tax break. Then, everyone can have equal marital rights.
Besides tax benefits, what are the pros of having the government "recognise" marriages?

Let me remind you of what was written in the op which I agree with. Really you have not swayed my opinion on it and why I keep saying the government is only giving you a hand out. You want to make your point and I say wow that is what you base your marriage off of; the contractual agreement. You say you will get married for the love and commitment but I am not convinced that you would even entertain giving the government money to recognize the marriage if you couldn't get your hand outs and it only resulted in nothing other than what you had with your significant other the day before the wedding.

 

[barbarian_style]

1.)
4.) what should "change" when people get LEGALLY married?

sorry mouse died and hit enter before I was done, answered already.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Let me remind you of what was written in the op which I agree with.
2.) Really you have not swayed my opinion on it
3.) and why I keep saying the government is only giving you a hand out.
4.) You want to make your point and I say wow that is what you base your marriage off of; the contractual agreement.
5.) You say you can get married for the love and commitment but I am not convinced that you would even entertain giving the government money to recolonize the marriage if you couldn't get your hand outs and it only resulted in nothing other than what you had with your significant the day before the wedding.

1.) feel free too it wont change the fact that your statement about legal marriage is factually wrong but hey, what the hell try ANOTHER deflection that wont work
2.) not trying to "sway" your opinions. your statement when you quoted me was factually wrong theres no changing this fact
3.) your opinion on handouts is meaningless to the fact your statement was wrong
4.) nope never made that point at all please stop posting lie, they havent worked for you yet so im not sure why you think they will work this time
5.) you are free to this opinion but can you remind me why it matter or how it impacts the fact that your statement was wrong? oh thats right it doesnt its just yet another failed deflection.

lets reflect on the facts AGAIN

-YOU posted lies and thats been proven and the lies can be qouted
-YOUR statement about legal marriage is factually 100% wrong
- legal marriage is a contract (some are so uneducated about this topic they dont even know this)
- government is need to protect and enforce the rights and privileges of marriage
- things are gained from marriage that currently cant be gained any other way
- things that can be gained in other ways will still need the government

this is awesome and so funny please dont stop!
facts destroy your failed posts AGAIN

let us know when you have anything to support the lies you posted


i have a question and i need some more entertainment so i got a question

what is legal marriage?

 

[barbarian_style]

1.) feel free too it wont change the fact that your statement about legal marriage is factually wrong but hey, what the hell try ANOTHER deflection that wont work
2.) not trying to "sway" your opinions. your statement when you quoted me was factually wrong theres no changing this fact
3.) your opinion on handouts is meaningless to the fact your statement was wrong
4.) nope never made that point at all please stop posting lie, they havent worked for you yet so im not sure why you think they will work this time
5.) you are free to this opinion but can you remind me why it matter or how it impacts the fact that your statement was wrong? oh thats right it doesnt its just yet another failed deflection.

lets reflect on the facts AGAIN

-YOU posted lies and thats been proven and the lies can be qouted
-YOUR statement about legal marriage is factually 100% wrong
- legal marriage is a contract (some are so uneducated about this topic they dont even know this)
- government is need to protect and enforce the rights and privileges of marriage
- things are gained from marriage that currently cant be gained any other way
- things that can be gained in other ways will still need the government

this is awesome and so funny please dont stop!
facts destroy your failed posts AGAIN

let us know when you have anything to support the lies you posted


i have a question and i need some more entertainment so i got a question

what is legal marriage?

Legal marriage is the hand outs you feel entitled to when you go through with it.

 

[AGENT J]

Legal marriage is the hand outs you feel entitled to when you go through with it.

lol AWESOME!!!!!

thank you for further proving how severely uneducated you are about this topic, you are 100% clueless to what legal marriage is and you just proved it
I knew asking you that would provide us all with more entertainment

nope that has nothing to do with what legal marriage is, thanks again for completely owing your own post

staying on topic lets reflect on the facts AGAIN

-YOU posted lies and thats been proven and the lies can be qouted
-YOUR statement about legal marriage is factually 100% wrong
- legal marriage is a contract (some are so uneducated about this topic they dont even know this)
- government is need to protect and enforce the rights and privileges of marriage
- things are gained from marriage that currently cant be gained any other way
- things that can be gained in other ways will still need the government

this is awesome and so funny please dont stop!
facts destroy your failed posts AGAIN

 

[barbarian_style]

lol AWESOME!!!!!

thank you for further proving how severely uneducated you are about this topic, you are 100% clueless to what legal marriage is and you just proved it
I knew asking you that would provide us all with more entertainment

nope that has nothing to do with what legal marriage is, thanks again for completely owing your own post

staying on topic lets reflect on the facts AGAIN

-YOU posted lies and thats been proven and the lies can be qouted
-YOUR statement about legal marriage is factually 100% wrong
- legal marriage is a contract (some are so uneducated about this topic they dont even know this)
- government is need to protect and enforce the rights and privileges of marriage
- things are gained from marriage that currently cant be gained any other way
- things that can be gained in other ways will still need the government

this is awesome and so funny please dont stop!
facts destroy your failed posts AGAIN

You bend and twist things until you can word smith it out of control. You have absolute no respect for others and troll for these threads. I do not really give two ****s about your grab bag of entitlements you feel that you should get off of the government. You keep banging the drum of legal marriages which is the exact basis of why I am against them myself. You should get nothing from getting married other than personal satisfaction, but hat isn't good enough for you. So keep on trolling maybe I will speak at you again in another thread down the road. In end the government should get out of the marriage business but cant because it is a money making gimmick for them as they stick out a carrot so you will go along with it as a social value, screw the true meaning behind it. This is what it is go ahead and call me a liar, then turn around and lie like a sack of crap about how you would get married if the government didn't offer you a grab bag of entitlement from the legal side of it. Stop being a taker in life and grow some balls, quit asking the government what they can do for you or give you. To deny this facet of the agreement is being dishonest with your self so someone will come along and give you a like. That is how our society has evolved, do you really think that trying to make yourself look good is actually making you look good? You are a troll and I proved it when you quoted my post that was written in your view and disagreed with yourself,were you embarrassed about it well You came on way harder with the belittle comments after that so I would say yes. Have a good one and f the government being involved with any marriages, besides for you, you really are a person that need to have special treatment I can sense it.

 

[AGENT J]

You bend and twist things until you can word smith it out of control. You have absolute no respect for others and troll for these threads. I do not really give two ****s about your grab bag of entitlements you feel that you should get off of the government. You keep banging the drum of legal marriages which is the exact basis of why I am against them myself. You should get nothing from getting married other than personal satisfaction, but hat isn't good enough for you. So keep on trolling maybe I will speak at you again in another thread down the road. In end the government should get out of the marriage business but cant because it is a money making gimmick for them as they stick out a carrot so you will go along with it as a social value, screw the true meaning behind it. This is what it is go ahead and call me a liar, then turn around and lie like a sack of crap about how you would get married if the government didn't offer you a grab bag of entitlement from the legal side of it. Stop being a taker in life and grow some balls, quit asking the government what they can do for you or give you. To deny this facet of the agreement is being dishonest with your self so someone will come along and give you a like. That is how our society has evolved, do you really think that making yourself look good is actually making you look good? You are a troll and I proved it when you quoted my post that was written in your view and disagreed with yourself,were you embarrassed about it well You came on way harder with the belittle comments after that so I would say yes. Have a good one and f the government being involved with any marriages, besides for you, you really are a person that need to have special treatment I can sense it.

lol good lord
do you ever stop posting lies? you proved nothing and every post of yours failed and was destroyed by multiple posters
again its cute that you think any of those deflections will work, that was an awesome melt down!

staying on topic lets reflect on the facts AGAIN

-YOU posted lies and thats been proven and the lies can be quoted
-YOUR statement about legal marriage is factually 100% wrong
- legal marriage is a contract (some are so uneducated about this topic they dont even know this)
- government is need to protect and enforce the rights and privileges of marriage
- things are gained from marriage that currently cant be gained any other way
- things that can be gained in other ways will still need the government

facts destroy your failed posts AGAIN

when you are ready to stay on topic please join us and address the facts above

 

[maquiscat]

No, will not admit to something you are failing to grasp. Once upon a time long time ago before functioning government got their finger in something that they should not be, believe it or not marriage was done for two basic reasons. 1) love and commitment, and 2) because there was a claim on that women. We now have choices and yes people that get married should do it for one sole purpose... contracts, lol. can't argue with that. Sorry, but that just sounds stupid. Just admit your looking for a hand out from the government that you want to be treated "special."

Wow! Way to not know your history there. Marriages were typically arranged with no real respect to love or commitment. Marriage for love is a relatively recent development. In addition, governing bodies typically had laws that were based upon marriages in one way or another. What is also relatively new is the concept of having a piece of paper to show that the governing body legally recognized the marriage. Why do you think witnesses were important in a wedding? You are also once again confusing the reason for marriage with the government's method for noting the legality of it.

The same treatment that is given to other legal relatives. It is a "special treatment" for the reason that people get married, they consider themselves family and want the government to recognize them as such. The same reason that a person would file a birth certificate or legal adoption papers with the state they live in when they have a child/adopt a child. They want a child to be legally recognized as theirs.

Don't you understand, Roguenuke? Adoption is special treatment too! We need to abolish adoption as well!

You bend and twist things until you can word smith it out of control. You have absolute no respect for others and troll for these threads. I do not really give two ****s about your grab bag of entitlements you feel that you should get off of the government. You keep banging the drum of legal marriages which is the exact basis of why I am against them myself. You should get nothing from getting married other than personal satisfaction, but hat isn't good enough for you. So keep on trolling maybe I will speak at you again in another thread down the road. In end the government should get out of the marriage business but cant because it is a money making gimmick for them as they stick out a carrot so you will go along with it as a social value, screw the true meaning behind it. This is what it is go ahead and call me a liar, then turn around and lie like a sack of crap about how you would get married if the government didn't offer you a grab bag of entitlement from the legal side of it. Stop being a taker in life and grow some balls, quit asking the government what they can do for you or give you. To deny this facet of the agreement is being dishonest with your self so someone will come along and give you a like. That is how our society has evolved, do you really think that trying to make yourself look good is actually making you look good? You are a troll and I proved it when you quoted my post that was written in your view and disagreed with yourself,were you embarrassed about it well You came on way harder with the belittle comments after that so I would say yes. Have a good one and f the government being involved with any marriages, besides for you, you really are a person that need to have special treatment I can sense it.

ROFLMMFAO!!!! You simply don't get it. You can't separate out the difference between the social/religious marriage (people getting married for whatever reason it is they want to) and the legal marriage (the recognition of someone not already related to you becoming your legal kin, in particular your "next of kin"). I don't know why you have this inability, but it's there.