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Marijuana, fights, guns: Zimmerman loses key pretrial battles

You have made a point of GZ being the captian of the NW. So is he or is he not to a call the police on suspicious behavior?

George was the ONLY person on NW.

I don't have a problem with George calling 311.. I have serious problems with his idea of suspicious behavior.. and his unwillingness to wait and let the police do their job.
 
Where does Z say that on his SPD call?
Didn't have to be in his call. He clearly stated that he appeared to be on drugs or something. And his suspicions were sufficient to have an officer dispatched.

And as we have been at this long enough, you already now he put that into his written statement.
 
George was the ONLY person on NW.

I don't have a problem with George calling 311.. I have serious problems with his idea of suspicious behavior.. and his unwillingness to wait and let the police do their job.

No he wasn't sharon. You already know that.
 
Excellent post! You've clearly won the debate because nobody was able to refute your facts with proof or evidence. It is so refreshing to read comments by someone who has obviously done their research. Bravo! I look forward to your next post.
Except that he didn't. So your posting is dishonest and untruthful. And because you know that, is bait.
 
Didn't have to be in his call. He clearly stated that he appeared to be on drugs or something. And his suspicions were sufficient to have an officer dispatched.

And as we have been at this long enough, you already now he put that into his written statement.

Oh please .. the amounts of thc in Trayvon's blood were insufficient for impairment...

George couldn't even tell Trayvon was talking on the phone much less that he was "on drugs".....
 
Oh please .. the amounts of thc in Trayvon's blood were insufficient for impairment...
That isn't what the Prosecutions own expert has said, is it.
So your saying such is just dishonest.

George couldn't even tell Trayvon was talking on the phone much less that he was "on drugs".....
You have no clue as to what you speak.
 
WTH?
There was no racial bias.

Did I say there was concrete evidence of racial biasness? No. I said "alleged"....a claim without proof (my post #34 refers). Let's not go into panic mode just because you read "racial" in a sentence and automatically assume someone affirmed racism.
 
Did I say there was concrete evidence of racial biasness? No. I said "alleged"....a claim without proof (my post #34 refers). Let's not go into panic mode just because you read "racial" in a sentence and automatically assume someone affirmed racism.
You are reading into it, that which is not there.

You are alleging something that we already know isn't true.
We here, and the public have known this for some time.
Why you don't know this is puzzling.



Detective in Zimmerman case said he was pressured to file charges

Records released Thursday show a federal law-enforcement agent accompanied George Zimmerman to his police interrogations, and FBI interviews did not turn up any sign of racial bias in the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

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... the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting, the records show.

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Detective in Zimmerman case said he was pressured to file charges
 
You are reading into it, that which is not there.

You are alleging something that we already know isn't true.
We here, and the public have known this for some time.
Why you don't know this is puzzling.



Detective in Zimmerman case said he was pressured to file charges

Records released Thursday show a federal law-enforcement agent accompanied George Zimmerman to his police interrogations, and FBI interviews did not turn up any sign of racial bias in the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

...
... the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting, the records show.

...​
Detective in Zimmerman case said he was pressured to file charges

You just can't let this go, can you? I'm curious why you're holding onto this case so tightly? What's your obsession with convincing everyone that Trayvon Martin was this scumbag, punk kid and George Zimmerman was a Saint?

Understand, I'm not convinced either were angels. Both made mistakes in this sad and unfortunate situation, but the way you're going about it verges on madness! Unless you're a member of Zimmerman's family or defense team, let it go, man. Let it go.
 
You just can't let this go, can you? I'm curious why you're holding onto this case so tightly? What's your obsession with convincing everyone that Trayvon Martin was this scumbag, punk kid and George Zimmerman was a Saint?

Understand, I'm not convinced either were angels. Both made mistakes in this sad and unfortunate situation, but the way you're going about it verges on madness! Unless you're a member of Zimmerman's family or defense team, let it go, man. Let it go.

You again appear confused as to my position.
I have never called a scumbag, or Zimmerman a saint.
 
You again appear confused as to my position.
I have never called a scumbag, or Zimmerman a saint.

No, you haven't (based on the few posts of yours I've cared to read). But as I skim through this thread, it's very apparent to me that's the perception you give of TM (and notice how every time you refer to him his initials are in superscript) isn't that of some innocent by-stander while you continually come to Zimmerman's defense. You may not have characterized either of the primary characters in this case as "sinner or saint...thug or concerned, law abiding citizen," but your every post from those I've read makes no doubt as to which side you're really on. And it's not the that of the kid who died quite possibly at that hand of the man who was carrying the gun. Instead, it's on the side of the man who allegedly was protecting a neighborhood from some punk kid looking into houses but quite possibly was admiring things while on his way home.

Again, I'm in no way saying that Trayvon Martin was innocent. It's quite possible he was scouting homes for his next hit. But it's also possible that a kid from the wrong side of the tracks who was sent to live with his father temporarily was admiring the niceties of homes the likes he'd never seen before, but because of his appearance was immediately labeled as "a home invader on the prowl".

I'll offer myself up as an example. My wife and I will occasionally take walks around our neighborhood when time permits. And on every walk I look into the windows of the homes I pass by - not being nosy as in being a "peeping Tom"...just curious as to what other residents have inside and how they decorate their interior. It may sound odd, but my wife and I get home décor tips that way by simply observing. Now, I'm not naïve enough to believe that the kid was innocent. But I'm neither foolish enough to automatically convict either. Would Martin's actions arouse my curiosity? Sure, especially if I saw him looking into homes while off the sidewalk or the street. (And by the way, I never leave the sidewalk when I "observe".) So, as has already been stated, my "Spidy Senses" would have gone off, too. But I wouldn't have taken matters into my own hands after having phoned 911 and was told that local law enforcement was enroot and NOT to pursue. That was Zimmerman's biggest mistake. He should have left well enough alone.
 
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He weighed 204 when he shot Trayvon.. and has gained 110 pounds.. Plus he's still gaining. Look at his clothing.

He weighed 204 when he shot Trayvon.. and has gained 110 pounds.. Plus he's still gaining. Look at his clothing.

Martin had every right to be where he was and so did Zimmerman. Zimmerman took control of the situation. Martin apparently and was unaware of being observed by Zimmerman and unaware of being observed and followed by Zimmerman until sometime after Zimmerman started following Martin. Zimmerman was clearly in control at that point, and he desired that control. Zimmerman did not call out to Martin to inform Martin that he was being observed. Zimmerman chose to follow Martin. Zimmerman shot and killed Martin after some kind of altercation that we don’t know who started except Zimmerman was following Martin and that can be taken as an aggressive action. Zimmerman took control and responsibility. He shot and killed Martin. Zimmerman is guilty.

You are completely lost with, the evidence

Re read it over and over again then post something meaningful/useful
 
You just can't let this go, can you? I'm curious why you're holding onto this case so tightly? What's your obsession with convincing everyone that Trayvon Martin was this scumbag, punk kid and George Zimmerman was a Saint?

Understand, I'm not convinced either were angels. Both made mistakes in this sad and unfortunate situation, but the way you're going about it verges on madness! Unless you're a member of Zimmerman's family or defense team, let it go, man. Let it go.

Stop and think before continuing with your tirade....

You simply cannot attack someone without adequate provocation....Doing so, you are committing an act of unlawful force against *said individual*

What legal right did M have?

Show, the evidence that would justify M’s physical attack on Z.
 
Stop and think before continuing with your tirade....

You simply cannot attack someone without adequate provocation....Doing so, you are committing an act of unlawful force against *said individual*

What legal right did M have?

Show, the evidence that would justify M’s physical attack on Z.

Well how do you profile someone walking home in the rain?
 
No, you haven't (based on the few posts of yours I've cared to read). But as I skim through this thread, it's very apparent to me that's the perception you give of TM (and notice how every time you refer to him his initials are in superscript) isn't that of some innocent by-stander while you continually come to Zimmerman's defense. You may not have characterized either of the primary characters in this case as "sinner or saint...thug or concerned, law abiding citizen, but your every post from those I've read makes no doubt as to which side you're really on. And it's not the that of the kid who died quite possibly at that hand of the man who was carrying the gun. Instead, it's on the side of the man who allegedly was protecting a neighborhood from some punk kid looking into houses but quite possibly was admiring things while on his way home.

Again, I'm in no way saying that Trayvon Martin was innocent. It's quite possible he was scouting homes for his next hit, but it's also possible that a kid from the wrong side of the tracks who was sent to live with his father temporarily was admiring the niceties of homes the likes he'd never seen before, but because of his appearance was immediately labeled as "a home invader on the prowl".

I'll offer myself up as an example. My wife and I will occasionally take walks around our neighborhood when time permits. And on every walk I look into the windows of the homes I pass by - not being nosy as in being a "peeping Tom"...just curious as to what other residents have inside and how they decorate their interior. I may sound odd, but my wife and I get home décor tips that way by simply observing. Now, I'm not naïve enough to believe that the kid was innocent. But I'm neither foolish enough to automatically convict either. Would Martin's actions arouse my curiosity? Sure, especially if I saw him looking into homes while off the sidewalk or the street. (And by the way, I never leave the sidewalk when I "observe".) So, as has already stated my "Spidy Senses" would have gone off, too. But I wouldn't have taken matters into my own hands after having phoned 911 and was told the local law enforcement was on the way especially after being told NOT to pursue. That was Zimmerman's biggest mistake. He should have left well enough alone.
1.) I find it strange that you do not have the evidence correct?
He was not "told" not to pursue. A NEN call-taker suggested he not follow. It was a suggestion. "We don't need you to do that" is a suggestion. A suggestion that the official have already told us that he was under no obligation to follow, yet apparently did. And he made it clear he wanted no contact with the suspicious person.

2.) I have not called a scumbag because I do not believe he was.
He has acted as a thug at times and wanted to be seen as a thug, I am more than willing to say that. But it is not something that I normally call him.
I am also more than willing to say he is responsible for his death as he is the one who acted inappropriately and illegally in attacking Zimmerman and causing Zimmerman to justly use deadly force to protect himself. But no, I do not go around willy nilly calling him a thug or scumbag for ****s and grins.

3.) I agree with what you say he may have been doing. But that matters not to what Zimmerman believed he saw which caused his suspicion. AS suspicions are subjective, his suspicions were valid. The problem starts and extends from when confronted Zimmerman. (which is the evidence)

4.) While are his initials, it is also the symbol for Trademark. Or have you forgotten that Sybrina Fulton attempted to trademark two phrases that contained his name? So I find it appropriate as his initials and novel in it's usage.

5.) The side I am on? Of course there is no mistake as to the side I am on. The side of the truth.
I have no need to lie, distort, misrepresent or be dishonest in regards to this case like those on the other side of the coin are doing.
The evidence is pretty much straight forward. Zimmerman acted in self-defense.


6.) I do find it odd that you focus on me instead on the likes of those who lie, distort, misrepresent, and are generally dishonest in there arguments.
If you are a seeker of the truth, it is those you should be questioning about their untruthfulness and motivations.
Or the likes of a person who deliberately goes out of their way to purposely be denigrating towards Zimmerman or anybody else involved from that side. It is disgusting.
But your not knowing the evidence, and your use of language suggests to me that you are not interested in the truth and are not being objective.
 
Well how do you profile someone walking home in the rain?

A couple of things, you should know...off the bat

1 Z is a private citizen

2 Any private citizen can profile *does not matter, the reason*. It simply....is not illegal

3 The reason for Z's suspicion was...M was standing out in the rain...staring around at houses and acting like he was high on drugs
 
Didn't have to be in his call. He clearly stated that he appeared to be on drugs or something. And his suspicions were sufficient to have an officer dispatched.

And as we have been at this long enough, you already now he put that into his written statement.

WoW, so a drugged out burglar is peering into windows and Z was so unconcerned he didn't even think it was worth mentioning to the SPD?

Wonder what a jury is going to think about that claim. Go sell it to the Outhouse, it ain't flying here.
 
No, you haven't (based on the few posts of yours I've cared to read). But as I skim through this thread, it's very apparent to me that's the perception you give of TM (and notice how every time you refer to him his initials are in superscript) isn't that of some innocent by-stander while you continually come to Zimmerman's defense. You may not have characterized either of the primary characters in this case as "sinner or saint...thug or concerned, law abiding citizen," but your every post from those I've read makes no doubt as to which side you're really on. And it's not the that of the kid who died quite possibly at that hand of the man who was carrying the gun. Instead, it's on the side of the man who allegedly was protecting a neighborhood from some punk kid looking into houses but quite possibly was admiring things while on his way home.

Again, I'm in no way saying that Trayvon Martin was innocent. It's quite possible he was scouting homes for his next hit. But it's also possible that a kid from the wrong side of the tracks who was sent to live with his father temporarily was admiring the niceties of homes the likes he'd never seen before, but because of his appearance was immediately labeled as "a home invader on the prowl".

I'll offer myself up as an example. My wife and I will occasionally take walks around our neighborhood when time permits. And on every walk I look into the windows of the homes I pass by - not being nosy as in being a "peeping Tom"...just curious as to what other residents have inside and how they decorate their interior. It may sound odd, but my wife and I get home décor tips that way by simply observing. Now, I'm not naïve enough to believe that the kid was innocent. But I'm neither foolish enough to automatically convict either. Would Martin's actions arouse my curiosity? Sure, especially if I saw him looking into homes while off the sidewalk or the street. (And by the way, I never leave the sidewalk when I "observe".) So, as has already been stated, my "Spidy Senses" would have gone off, too. But I wouldn't have taken matters into my own hands after having phoned 911 and was told that local law enforcement was enroot and NOT to pursue. That was Zimmerman's biggest mistake. He should have left well enough alone.

I thought that also. When you actually sit down and read their posts it becomes quite obvious what their agenda is.
 
Except that he didn't. So your posting is dishonest and untruthful. And because you know that, is bait.

Who was talking to you? Your petty bitterness at the fact that there are so many more brilliant posters is childish.
 
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WoW, so a drugged out burglar is peering into windows and Z was so unconcerned he didn't even think it was worth mentioning to the SPD?

Wonder what a jury is going to think about that claim. Go sell it to the Outhouse, it ain't flying here.

Zimm indicated that he was looking at houses in the NEN call. What do you think Zimm meant by that? Looking at the siding? Looking at the foundation? Was Trayvon a construction worker as well as a future NASA employee? He likely (IMO) meant looking in the houses.. As he indicated in his written statement later that night.
 
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